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Offline0rusnjos
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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: venetianblinds]
    #15406588 - 11/22/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well again I agree, I just wanted you to hear some really good metal.  I knew it wasn't going to be in your taste.  I don't really like the screaming but when you heard metal where vocals are actually applied it just winds up sounding all viking and epic and takes away from the focus on the instruments and winds up being lame to listen to. 

To each his own, you know?  For me, I feel if you can play that fast, play that fast and get in the mosh pit, other musicians tend to ostracize shredders and people who know music theory, mainly and sadly because of jealousy.  Metal is a home for way word people like that a place where you can sweep and tap and and play complex exotic scales and no one will roll their eyes at you or kick you out 'cause you make them look bad, but I'll never forget about the melody and getting lost in that supernova of vibrations.


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: 0rusnjos]
    #15406617 - 11/22/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i have no objections to that


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: venetianblinds]
    #15406631 - 11/22/11 06:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Great to talk some music with someone who knows there stuff and has an open mind

I thank you for your time,

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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: 0rusnjos]
    #15406714 - 11/22/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Jesus, I leave for 8 hours and this is what happens?  REALLY good discussion you guys had without me... ::Sadface::

Still, I've always said, some of the BEST musicians are either:
A> Metal guys, or
B> Bluegrass guys  or
C> Jazz

All three genres easily approach the 'virtuoso' status in their players.

NONE of these genres is my cup of tea, but I respect all three equally. 

I won't really take this any further, because I can tell I just started a flame-war.  Before you flame me, please remember, this is MY OPINION! Its okay to disagree.

HEY! Wanna talk about actual guitars?  What guitars do you guys have? Whats your favorite? What do you REALLLY want?

I've got a few classicals that I am quite fond of, a Martin accoustic that I never play, a tellie I should sell, and my favorite, the Gibson.  Its a les paul studio custom.  All chrome hardware, wine finish. I play it on a fender twin reverb. Its mah baby, and yeah, I can shred it pretty good.

What about you dudes? Whatchu got? Whatchu want? Whats your favorite? Amps? Amps? Pedals? Amps?


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15406764 - 11/22/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Schecter C-1 Blackjack EX Baritone, Schecter Hellraiser C-7, Fender Stratocaster, and a Washburn J3 for guitars.  I don't really play on six strings anymore because it's pretty much absolutely pointless in everyway.  But the strat and J3 sing like black angles if you want blues' dirty fuzz. 

The Baritone is my favorite, but the Hellraiser C-7 plays like warm fuckin' butter.  The C-1 Blackjack is scalloped at frets 9-24 so the bitch is like butter on olive oil.  In my opinion no guitar I have ever played matched the neck on a Blackjack, anyone I know who has played one doesn't disagree.  The Baritone and the hellraiser are my dream guitars and it's gonna be a while before I can put on my D baritone suspenders.  Man that's a big step, but wow a whole 24 more octaves to play with jeeze.  It took me seven years to get the balls to buy a seven string.

As for Amps I run a pretty rigged set up but it offers huge range for me.  It's and Randall head rigged up to a roland cube amp out of a B-52 half stack. 

I don't use much for effects, I have a wah for fun and tripping, delay, and loop pedal, the roland acts as my distortion pedal.  That's pretty much my set up.


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: 0rusnjos]
    #15406781 - 11/22/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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0rusnjos said:
C-1 Blackjack EX Baritone, Hellraiser C-7, Fender Stratocaster, and a Washburn J3 for guitars.  I don't really play on six strings anymore because it's pretty much absolutely pointless in everyway.  But the strat and J3 sing like black angles if you want blues' dirty fuzz. 

The Baritone is my favorite, but the Hellraiser C-7 plays like warm fuckin' butter.  The C-1 Blackjack is scalloped at frets 9-24 so the bitch is like butter on olive oil.  In my opinion no guitar I have ever played matched the neck on a Blackjack, anyone I know who has played one doesn't disagree.  The Baritone and the hellraiser are my dream guitars and it's gonna be a while before I can put on my D baritone suspenders.  Man that's a big step, but wow a whole 24 more octaves to play with jeeze.  It took me seven years to get the balls to buy a seven string.

As for Amps I run a pretty rigged set up but it offers huge range for me.  It's and Randall head rigged up to a roland cube amp out of a B-52 half stack. 

I don't use much for effects, I have a wah for fun and tripping, delay, and loop pedal, the roland acts as my distortion pedal.  That's pretty much my set up.




Holy crap! Folks, remember what I said about metal dudes?  Point and case.  I would LOVE to hear you shred them axes someday.


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15406800 - 11/22/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

venetianblinds what'd you run?


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: 0rusnjos]
    #15406888 - 11/22/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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0rusnjos said:
Schecter C-1 Blackjack EX Baritone, Schecter Hellraiser C-7, Fender Stratocaster, and a Washburn J3 for guitars.  I don't really play on six strings anymore because it's pretty much absolutely pointless in everyway.  But the strat and J3 sing like black angles if you want blues' dirty fuzz. 

The Baritone is my favorite, but the Hellraiser C-7 plays like warm fuckin' butter.  The C-1 Blackjack is scalloped at frets 9-24 so the bitch is like butter on olive oil.  In my opinion no guitar I have ever played matched the neck on a Blackjack, anyone I know who has played one doesn't disagree.  The Baritone and the hellraiser are my dream guitars and it's gonna be a while before I can put on my D baritone suspenders.  Man that's a big step, but wow a whole 24 more octaves to play with jeeze.  It took me seven years to get the balls to buy a seven string.

As for Amps I run a pretty rigged set up but it offers huge range for me.  It's and Randall head rigged up to a roland cube amp out of a B-52 half stack. 

I don't use much for effects, I have a wah for fun and tripping, delay, and loop pedal, the roland acts as my distortion pedal.  That's pretty much my set up.




I love Schecters.  I've got an older C-1 Classic from back when the wood they used was excellent and the pickups were real Duncans.  I get some great bluesy tones from the neck pickup and thru-neck set up, and the Jeff Beck in the bridge is one of my favorite passives for lead, especially through a tube amp.  Very solid guitars from the ones I've played, and decently priced as well.

My advice to teaching complete beginners is to have them start acoustic, teach them finger-strength exercises.  Go through open chords and major and minor scales, but also teach them simple songs that they can mess around with if they get bored from practice.  This from what I've seen is pretty effective.  It's not hard to teach yourself, but just help out with the little things that you have to pick up from experience and the beginner should progress nicely


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: MorphinTime]
    #15406934 - 11/22/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'd have to agree with MorphinTime, teach him some songs that are easy so he can play and feel how cool it feels to play something that's on a CD.  Then analyse the song and work theory in.  That's pretty much how I learned. 

It's kinda funny, the first song I ever learned was "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana.  Man look at me now.  I actually played a couple measures the other day out of now where and laughed my ass off.  When I first learned that song I freaked.  HaHa.


But uhhhhhhhhhhhh....Schecter's rule, m'kay?


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: 0rusnjos]
    #15406970 - 11/22/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Go on...


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: 0rusnjos]
    #15406976 - 11/22/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Schecters do rule.  The first recognizable collection of sounds to grace my Schecter were from Iron Man.  Simple songs can really help keep a beginner get a feel of how things work musically on a guitar.

When I learned the short solo from Teen Spirit I thought I was so awesome :brucelee:


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: MorphinTime]
    #15406980 - 11/22/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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MorphinTime said:
Schecters do rule.  The first recognizable collection of sounds to grace my Schecter were from Iron Man.  Simple songs can really help keep a beginner get a feel of how things work musically on a guitar.

When I learned the short solo from Teen Spirit I thought I was so awesome :brucelee:



Right dude?  I was like, "No way!  It's sounds just like the song!  NO FUCKIN' WAY!"


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Re: Where to begin with in teaching someone guitar? [Re: Lynnch]
    #15406992 - 11/22/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
Go on...



Oh yeah, what was your question earlier about my notation of that chord progression I,iii,V,viio,ii,IV,vi?  Well not my chord progression but my suggestion of that chord progression.


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