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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: PooPs]
    #1507661 - 04/30/03 09:53 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

If you have perfect conditions and do everything right, you can get a complete extraction. From there it's simple math to figure out the dose. You probably won't get a complete extraction, but it is better to err on the side of caution, I think. I have seen numbers in the range of 10-60mg for a dose, depending on how much urea is in the mix, although it sounds like you can get a pretty clean end product with an acetone wash.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: pseudopod]
    #1507799 - 04/30/03 10:32 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

urea as in urine? or Piss???? huh?


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: PooPs]
    #1507964 - 04/30/03 11:19 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

The same. Urea is also contained in mushrooms and is extracted with the psilocybin.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: PooPs]
    #1507966 - 04/30/03 11:20 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

a soluble weakly basic nitrogenous compound CO(NH2)2 that is the chief solid component of mammalian urine and an end product of protein decomposition.

basically it's the nitrogen that your body converts it's waste into. And exerts in urine.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1522064 - 05/05/03 11:14 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

okay afoaf tried to get a reasonable end product of psilocybin hydrochloride. only thing is that all he has is a gooey mass about the size of a marble. here's what he did. started with 12g dry shrooms.
1) grinded up shrooms in coffee grinder
2) put shrooms in a mason jar with methanol added (covered all the powder easily)
3) after about a day he filtered it off. and did the extraction 2x more times
4) added muratic acid to the PH was roughly 3 (used litmus paper)
5) let it all evap on a glass plate.
6) scraped the goo with a razor blade.
7)tried to dry it in the open air. would not dry (afoaf was hoping it would powder so that when he did the acetone wash it would do a better job)
8)used anhydrous acetone and did a wash. the goo stayed at the bottom and turned a grayish color (the original goo resembled opium). filtered it
9) afoaf noticed that after a few minutes of sitting in the open air the goo started to turn back to its original color and became sticky again (when he took it out of the acetone jar the goo broke into a few pieces and became more solid and hard)

supposidly this is supposed to create a fairly pure end product. what afoaf ended up with is a gooey resin like material that looks like good hash or opium. now afoaf is by no means a chemist. did he do something wrong?



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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt *DELETED* [Re: Bob_J]
    #1524229 - 05/06/03 07:35 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: poke smot!]
    #1526977 - 05/07/03 05:15 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Gooey hash like substance. mmmmmm

try some BT's.!!


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: PooPs]
    #1528039 - 05/08/03 12:34 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I know many people have reported success with ethanol, but if it was me I'd go for something relatively anhydrous, e.g. methanol. I'm not a chemist, but water could be fouling up the proceedure.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: poke smot!]
    #1528058 - 05/08/03 12:42 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

You got all the fungus material too.




How did you filter? Your proceedure doesn't cover how you did this.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: pseudopod]
    #1539743 - 05/12/03 04:23 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

i tried some of the extract last night. didnt do alot....barely any visuals at all, but i could tell it was there. the extract would equal about 2-3 dry grams worth of material. oh well better luck next time.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: Bob_J]
    #1539824 - 05/12/03 05:16 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry in advance if I'm being redundant; I haven't kept up with this thread....

Are you sure you should use a polar solvent to wash after acidifying it into salt form?  Seems to me that an acidic solution of psilocybin should be washed with a nonpolar solvent.  Or is psilocybin just insoluble in acetone?

I think you could do an extraction washing the acidified sol. with CHCl3, take aq. layer and then basify it and extract with the CHCl3 (bottom layer) and evaporate.  I don't know the specifics, though.

Methanol is a lot better than ethanol; dilute acetic acid (i.e. vinegar) is a lot better than anhydrous ethanol.  Methanol is the best, though, as long as there is no water (don't let a lot of water vapor from the air mix with the CH3-OH.)  The only problem with vinegar is it would take a while to evaporate if not decanted and it smells bad (but so does acetone) :wink:

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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: micro]
    #1539886 - 05/12/03 05:47 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

An a/b extraction is not possible in this case. It requires that the alkaloids be relatively basic and that the base form be less soluble in water, so that won't work unfortunately.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: pseudopod]
    #1539899 - 05/12/03 05:52 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry -- that was a typo -- I edited it.

I'm not talking about forming a precipatate; just using polar/non-polar solvents to wash/extract @ diff. PH's.

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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: micro]
    #1539938 - 05/12/03 06:07 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, psilocybin is almost completely insoluble in acetone. I've also seen some proceedures that do the acetone wash before the methanol extraction, but they were also using chloroform.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: pseudopod]
    #1639681 - 06/17/03 09:57 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

where does one aquire chloroform? i really dont want to synthesize it myself as it produces phosgene, and gives little yield. also i dont want to go to a chemical supplier.....thats out of the question. can one aquire it OTC? its either that or i mak it myself.


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: Bob_J]
    #1641074 - 06/18/03 08:03 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I don't mean to be a buzz kill, but isn't this post exactly what the feds need to shut this site down, chemistry really seems to get their nut sac in a bunch


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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: ]
    #1642172 - 06/18/03 08:47 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

"Has anyone tried using butane for extraction? Just wondering."

You mean butanol? Butane is a gas.

Yes, on many an extraction, but never for psilocybin. Should work, but I have no clue how well.

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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: micro]
    #1642382 - 06/18/03 10:08 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

All this talk.... I think I'm going to gank a liter of methanol from work and do an extraction. Prolly just with chloroform and HCl/NaOH.

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Re: mushroom extraction - psilocybin hcl salt [Re: micro]
    #2374033 - 02/24/04 07:58 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

bump bump


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