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Offlinepsyconaught
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dmt tek questions
    #13608910 - 12/09/10 06:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

in a standard STB dmt tek could i substitute the lye with Sodium carbonate (also known as washing soda or soda ash)and if so what amount would i have to use and what extra steps would need to be taken.


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Re: dmt tek questions [Re: psyconaught]
    #13609008 - 12/09/10 06:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

no, you can not do that.  washing soda will not break down the cell wall and release spice like lye would. 

if you want to use something food safe use D-Limonene instead of lye

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Re: dmt tek questions [Re: blackstatis]
    #13609048 - 12/09/10 07:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, doesn't lye make you go blind or some shit?


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Re: dmt tek questions [Re: Chunk5]
    #13609162 - 12/09/10 07:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

what store would you find d-limonene in? i would like to buy it in store instead of over the net. (store locations for lye would also be appreciated). im in the US if that makes a difference... and im not doubting you but whats the theory behind the poor mans tek cause it uses washing soda.


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Re: dmt tek questions [Re: psyconaught]
    #13609187 - 12/09/10 07:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sodium carbonate is a very weak base. You will probably get poor yields by using it. Just use lye. Like I said in another post; just because lye is caustic in high concentrations doesn't mean it's harmful in lower concentrations. They make soap out of sodium hydroxide. I could eat an entire bar of this soap with no harmful effects. Besides, if you use precision when extracting DMT, virtually no lye will end up in the DMT. D-limonene can be used as a substitute for naphtha and other nonpolar solvents but not for basification.


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Re: dmt tek questions [Re: Space Elf]
    #13609207 - 12/09/10 07:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

im not worried about the dangers of it. my main problem at the moment is ordering things online. and i just realized ive been meaning to say pickling lime this whole time haha not d-limonene. thanks for catching my mistake though.. so to correct myself i need an in-store source for pickling lime or lye


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Re: dmt tek questions [Re: psyconaught]
    #13609216 - 12/09/10 07:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You should be able to get lye at virtually any home-improvement/hardware store.:super:


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Re: dmt tek questions [Re: Space Elf]
    #13609264 - 12/09/10 07:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hmmm really? i checked online for all the hardware stores i could think of and only lowes had it. but none are around here, only home depots, guess i'll just have to call in and check haha thank you :thumbup:


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Re: dmt tek questions [Re: psyconaught]
    #15396987 - 11/20/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Use a ratio of 5g lye (1 teaspoon) mixed with 95 ml distilled water  (prepare enough just to cover the bark entirely). And then you can take the non-polar solvent containing the DMT and wash it with 50 ml of a strong sodium carbonate water solution...
Don't worry about the lye, it dissolves in water so use very basic water to get rid of it in the end!:tongue2:

Edited by jammon (11/20/11 09:41 AM)

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