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Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets?
    #1539561 - 05/11/03 07:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Scientists have said that no form of life could exist on other planets in our solar system. When they doing this though
aren't they just using life that evolved on earth as a guideline. We have evolved to live on the Earth's oxygen, we fit our environment.
Why couldn't some totally alien (to us) form of life strive on a different planet in a different atmosphere?


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: thelox]
    #1539592 - 05/11/03 07:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This is the same type of illogical thinking that I saw NASA portraying last night on a program. It was all about missiles, and they were saying how we just want to make sure everyone is safe, and that no one gets hurt. Well, if you don't want anyone to get hurt, don't shoot missiles at them and blow them up. They were using all these key words, saying we are doing this "safely"...how can an explosive weapon of death be safe?

Scientists who say that life does not and cannot exist outside of our own Earth are not only ignorant and illogical, they are not worthy of being called scientists. With over 600 billion stars in the milky way alone, and even more than 600 billion galaxies throughout the Universe... it would be silly, naive, and closed minded to think even for a second that life did not exist elsewhere. Indeed... intelligent life comes in many, many, many forms throughout the Universe. Silicon based formless blobs...carbons based hominoids...things you can barely even imagine.

Life comes in many forms.


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1539647 - 05/11/03 08:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I bet the ultimate life form is a cow. I mean really they eat, fart, sleep, sex, and live such a "gracefull" life. Never wanting to explore just happy with the world the way it is and living off what nature gave them. Mmmm im hungry brb hamburger time!


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1539658 - 05/11/03 08:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

im sure most scientists agree that there is life outside of our solor system, but this dudes on about other planets in our solar system. I heared that they r gonna send a probe or sommat to one of them big planets moons and dig through the ice and send a camera into the water below. As life exsists at the bottom of our oceans without the aid of the sun then there can be life there too. I think theres them underwater volcanos in our seas ya know but above them is ships with captains who wear an eyepatch and say AHOY MATEYS!


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: whole9]
    #1539665 - 05/11/03 08:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure alien life can adapt to other atmospheres and climates. No scientist can really prove the chances of life being outside our solar system, if they do, it's just a theroy and not fact.


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: thelox]
    #1539731 - 05/11/03 09:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I've gotten the feeling that life is all around us and that "physical" manifestations of life are just one "layer" or "piece" of "The Whole."


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: thelox]
    #1539783 - 05/11/03 09:51 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thats ignorant of them to say that. Theres no reason that something is comfortable living in a -100 degrees C climate. You think scientists would be more open minding on such a topic like this.


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: barfightlard]
    #1539968 - 05/11/03 11:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i think there could be life somewhear else in our solar planet.
anything is possible


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: soylent_green]
    #1539982 - 05/11/03 11:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

as whif!

There is nothing anywhere. EVER.


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: soylent_green]
    #1540004 - 05/11/03 11:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

solar planet.

Wha?  :confused:


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: Murex]
    #1540763 - 05/12/03 03:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets?

I've wondered this since I was a small boy. No definitive answer though.

I think there is definitely the possibility for the existence of non-CHON (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen) based life in this universe. Though I can't imagine what form it could take. However, there isn't any evidence to point one way or another... so I'm just in the comfortable limbo on the matter.

Another thing... if there were such non-CHON beings, then we might not even be able to have meaningful contact with them. For example, they live on ultra-hot planets and our communication systems are incompatible due to the different physics that might be required by eachother. Who fucking knows... I don't.


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1541000 - 05/12/03 06:58 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

DUDE, we all saw the matrix didn't we: THERE ARE NO OTHER PLANETS WITHIN THE MATRIX!!!  jeeezzz.... :frown:


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1541012 - 05/12/03 07:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism you should the boss at NASA :wink:

Quote:

carbons based hominoids...things you can barely even imagine.





Yeah, i heard a while ago. Our life is based on water and oxygen. Someone discovered a totally alien micro-organism that used some wierd gasses or solids as it's main element supporting it's existance.



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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: thelox]
    #1541357 - 05/12/03 11:50 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It's a good bet life exists on other planets, whether intelligent life exists is another matter.


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1541407 - 05/12/03 12:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

whether intelligent life exists is another matter.




I don't know who said it first, but I'll say it again: we are still trying to find signs of intelligent life on this planet :tongue:
 


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1541432 - 05/12/03 12:25 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Good point  :laugh:


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1541488 - 05/12/03 01:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I think life on other worlds (outside of our solar system) is quite possible. The only problem is our definition of LIFE. For example, under the current understanding, viruses are not ALIVE, they are not classified under the current 5 kingdom classification. So, technically, if a virus was found on a planet, we would still not know that there is LIFE on another world. If the defenition of life changes, as it has with each new scientific discovery, it may include the very very simple. To be fair, fossil or non-living material that are essential to life, have been found on the surface of Mars (though there is no 'proof' that this is where these fossils came from as the origin of the fossils has not been accepted by all the scientific community). These fossils would indicate that there might have been life on Mars long ago. The extent and diversity, if any, is unknown and only surface research would prove or disprove that theory which is not possible at the current state of technology.
What do you think will happen if there is proof of life on other planets?
I think there will be chaos! The religious groups (almost all of them) will set out to prove science is wrong about that conclusion (as it was seem numerous times in history, especially Christianity). The world would see a fall as it has never seen before! It is possible that the human races will accept the discovery but I don't think that is likely.
What does everyone else think would occur upon the discovery of life else where?


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: WaveRider]
    #1541602 - 05/12/03 01:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

9 or so planets circling old Sol...
a few dozen moons circling the planets (well, excepting mercury & venus)...
a few thousand rocks & snowballs close enough to notice...
many thousands of snowballs out past pluto & charon...
& some of 'em too darn hot, most of 'em too darn cold, & plenty of 'em too darn small to have decent atmosphere & such to maintain temperature/pressure zones for water to be a liquid...
& for "life as we know it" water had better be cycling somewhere betweeen freezing & boiling at least part of the time (sure, some life & plenty of spores can handle subzero temps, & some can candle temps well above boiling... but they tend to be the exception rather than the rule, eh?)
so, for places with the solar system, there are a very few places that will tolerate water as a liquid:
mars, once upon a time (but not currently)
jupiter's thick atmosphere (somewhere between the cold of space & the heat of its depths, the temperature passes from less than 0 deg C to greater than 100 dec C... but no ocean or land, just clouds... until getting way down deep to strange stuff like solid hydrogen...)
& ditto for saturn maybe, and possibly for the other 2 gas giants...
some of the moons around jupiter & saturn seem to be possiblities for locales with liquid water...
as for CHON, well, comets have been raining down that stuff for 5 billion years (& plenty more out in the oort clouds...)
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& for life as we don't know it...
what do you want? silicon & sulfer; ions & energy fields? collapsed matter & quantum flux?
gotta read some scifi for visits to places with strange life (unless we can arrange to get out there ourselves, eh?)
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and in other star systems?
well, planetbuilding may be a lot more common than previously suspected...
but 4.3 light-years is a long ways away, and that's our closest neighbor...
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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: gnrm23]
    #1541637 - 05/12/03 02:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

what do you want? silicon & sulfer; ions & energy fields? collapsed matter & quantum flux?

Glass people that smell like rotten eggs... hell yeah!!


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Re: Couldn't Unknown Forms of Life Live on Other Planets? [Re: thelox]
    #1541905 - 05/12/03 03:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if anybody suggested watching this already, but if you can find a copy of "The Secret NASA Transmissions - The Smoking Gun" A guy in Vancouver Canada had a great opportunity to monitor NASA transmissions of ALL space shuttle missions over 7 years. He is a manager at a local cable TV control station and he convinced the teck guy's to install a satellite for his own personal use to record these transmissions. He had the means, and what he recorded is amazing. He show's different videos's of what he calls the second phenomenon. It is a energy like being that show's up every 1/30 frames ( sometimes you can see it enter in the corner of the screen and exit, but they are still 30 frames apart) and they seem to appear whenever something is being repaired, or the astronaughts notice bright colorful flashes of light and back at HQ nobody can solidly identify what they are seeing. Extremely interesting, and kinda freaky at the same time. Highly recommended


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