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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15318766 - 11/03/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where? I said "I doubt" and that is in no way definitive.
The reply in kind was sarcasm so maybe he could see how silly it is to make a definitive statement like that. . I was in no way being serious.
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Icelander]
#15319046 - 11/03/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I was in no way being serious.
Oh Ok. Hard to tell sarcasm via the interweb.
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15319326 - 11/03/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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it seems to me that consciousness is exactly what controls the emergent brain functions. Like, your will. What is that? It's a very intimate drive and I essentially equate it with the soul, as dynamic consciousness. With more and more awareness it becomes possible to control your brain functioning with your own will more and more.
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: g00ru]
#15320479 - 11/04/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's almost like we just want to be happy, but we're unable to see all that involves is just being happy.
Immortality, longetivity, or whatever nonsense we've cooked up, is irrelevant.
See: Ramana Maharshi.
I think I said it ages ago but I'm surely getting close to what these sages were on about.
A bit of a snag is - why me? How did I do it? But that's the simplicity of it, the stark absurdity of it - I had it all along, no one doesn't have it. There's no way to conceptualise it, to make it clear to somebody else.
There isn't even a game.
Just give up, be happy, go do the laundry.
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: circastes]
#15320747 - 11/04/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just give up, be happy, go do the laundry.
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Chronic7]
#15328644 - 11/05/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: The universe being conscious of itself
IYO is anything greater than this?
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c0sm0nautt said: Is there anything other than this?
Yes there is something greater: the universe not being conscious of itself.
What is the universe conscious of now, if not of the universe. There is no answer to that. So leave it be. And remain there.
If you want to know about this then study Nisargadatta Maharaj. His is the most succinct statement there is of "what is, prior to consciousness".
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: husmmoor]
#15329959 - 11/06/11 03:12 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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husmmoor said:
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The Chronic said: The universe being conscious of itself
IYO is anything greater than this?
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c0sm0nautt said: Is there anything other than this?
Yes there is something greater: the universe not being conscious of itself.
What is the universe conscious of now, if not of the universe. There is no answer to that. So leave it be. And remain there.
If you want to know about this then study Nisargadatta Maharaj. His is the most succinct statement there is of "what is, prior to consciousness".
in what way is it greater for the universe to remain unaware of itself as opposed to being aware? this shit fascinates me, that there could be this type of debate... i don't have any answers so i listen... it seems you've discovered something... tell me why it's better that the universe have no awareness...
intellectuals from science and philosophy have been mixing it up for a while now... if they felt it was a waste of time maybe they might not be doing it... i doubt you have all the answers... you said: "What is the universe conscious of now, if not of the universe.", exactly! what's not to debate? you said nisargadatta maharaj said: "what is, prior to consciousness" exactly! that's why there is debate... think deeper man, c'mon, you can do it!...
Kensho
Edited by cateyes (11/06/11 03:46 AM)
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: husmmoor]
#15330013 - 11/06/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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husmmoor said: If you want to know about this then study Nisargadatta Maharaj. His is the most succinct statement there is of "what is, prior to consciousness".
I love Nissy, he was such a moody ol bastard aswell, gotta love a take no shit style sage Thanks for recommending him
When i say 'The universe being conscious of itself' im basically saying the same thing, pointing to that true Self-existence which is prior to the false phantom of ego-consciousness arising. the Self 'is' prior to any consciousness of itself, but it being aware of/conscious of itself (or conscious of what it is not - neti neti/self inquiry) is the closest contemplation to that realization, without that there is no realization, to be even more pedantic we can then say that the Self is what it is prior to any realization of itself, which is true, but is the experience of that truly felt in the Heart? That is what is important & why i say the universe being conscious of itself is the greatest, as its an exercise that will naturally take the mind beyond dualistic consciousness 'into' the eternal.
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husmmoor
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: cateyes]
#15346042 - 11/09/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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cateyes said: in what way is it greater for the universe to remain unaware of itself as opposed to being aware? this shit fascinates me, that there could be this type of debate... i don't have any answers so i listen... it seems you've discovered something... tell me why it's better that the universe have no awareness...
intellectuals from science and philosophy have been mixing it up for a while now... if they felt it was a waste of time maybe they might not be doing it... i doubt you have all the answers... you said: "What is the universe conscious of now, if not of the universe.", exactly! what's not to debate? you said nisargadatta maharaj said: "what is, prior to consciousness" exactly! that's why there is debate... think deeper man, c'mon, you can do it!...
Kensho
My starting point and perspective as well as Chronic's perspective (as he put it in the nice post just before) is different from science. Science starts out with some idea of nothing or intert basic matter and then asks "how did we get from there to where we are now?". From that perspective it's totally amazing that the universe has developed from some ignorant unconscious lump of atomic dogshit to the point of complicated biological and philosophical creatures like humans, who are appreciating the cosmos in all it's glory: we ARE the cosmos and we are aware.
The starting point of Nisargadatta Maharaj could be said to be our experience as it unfolds RIGHT NOW, and then he's moving back from where we are now to a point which, according to his analysis is the basic vantage point of the universe. But this is phenomenology, psychology and philosophy not physics and cosmology.
So basically it's just a totally different idea. It's not that Nisargadatta is really disagreeing with science, it's more that he just has a totally different interest.
Pick up his "I am that" or search google if you're interested. actually practically all his books are available for free online if you search a bit. But particularly "I am that" is a classic worth owning.
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The Chronic said:I love Nissy, he was such a moody ol bastard aswell, gotta love a take no shit style sage Thanks for recommending him
When i say 'The universe being conscious of itself' im basically saying the same thing, pointing to that true Self-existence which is prior to the false phantom of ego-consciousness arising. the Self 'is' prior to any consciousness of itself, but it being aware of/conscious of itself (or conscious of what it is not - neti neti/self inquiry) is the closest contemplation to that realization, without that there is no realization, to be even more pedantic we can then say that the Self is what it is prior to any realization of itself, which is true, but is the experience of that truly felt in the Heart? That is what is important & why i say the universe being conscious of itself is the greatest, as its an exercise that will naturally take the mind beyond dualistic consciousness 'into' the eternal.
Edited by husmmoor (11/09/11 06:01 PM)
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: husmmoor]
#15387983 - 11/18/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The universe is not conscious of itself"
I wonder who said that?
Oh wait, it's the universe... Trolling us left right and centre.
Given that I am you and you are me then clearly it is me talking to myself.
What a game we play!
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: Icelander]
#15387997 - 11/18/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Just give up, be happy, go do the laundry.
This is the way to go!
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Re: The universe conscious of itself [Re: crkhd]
#15388180 - 11/18/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Evidence suggests that human consciousness (a.k.a. an Observer) has a lot to do with how we experience our own personal environment and how it manifests itself out of our Thoughts."
the double slit experiment, probably the strangest scientific experiment ever
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Edited by bigmike7104 (11/18/11 11:12 AM)
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