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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 1
    #15402030 - 11/21/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Problem is though, both last year and the previous year (when Sanchez had very quality O-line play in front of him), he was average AT BEST. Actually to be quite brutally honest, he sucked.

Look at his career numbers. 43 touchdowns and 43 interceptions for his career. A 72.9 career quarterback rating. Ugh. Those are Joey Harrington/David Carr numbers.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Niffla]
    #15402454 - 11/21/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15405838 - 11/21/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not pissy because your opinion is different.  I'm pissy because your opinion is retarded.

Your comments about the offensive line being most important to an offense come across as nothing more than obligatory lip service when you make comments about how a "halfway decent" quarterback would be winning more games than Sanchez this season.  The offensive line has been woeful, period.  You take any other quarterback besides maybe Big Ben and you would have the same result. 




Again, if you look back at the history of my posts, you'd realize it's not "lip service".  I actually have spoken often about the vital importance of offensive line.  You can search it yourself.

In fact I probably talk more about offensive linemen than any other poster on here.  Again, go look through my posts if you don't believe me.




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And an offensive line can still be good as a unit with one or two guys who are not good?  Really?  Have you ever heard the expression "A chain is only as good as its weakest link?"  Case in point this season is the Jets line.






See now that is just plain fucking retarded.  You can bring on one or two strong offensive linemen to a unit and they can DRASTICALLY change the protecting ability of that unit.

Since you brought up Pittsbugh as an example, did you not even fucking see what kind of impact Maurkice Pouncey made as a rookie on one of the proported "worst offensive lines" in the league?

Have you not witnessed the impact of Chris Kuper in the starting lineup for the Broncos?


Or what the fuck happened to Seattle's running game after Hutchinson left?  I mean they kept all other 4 guys so they must've still been good enough right?

Do you even know about what happened to New Orleans' rushing attack the year after Jon Stinchcomb retired? 

Have you any clue about how much the Chiefs' running game has sucked since they let go of Brian Waters?


You don't even fucking follow offensive linemen to the depth that I do.  Not even close.  But all of a sudden, just because you want to defend Mark Sanchez, you try to act like mister expert.


You want to talk offensive linemen?  Lets TALK offensive linemen.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #15405867 - 11/21/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

ohhh shit. RACE WAR!


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    #15407336 - 11/22/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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> Not to mention Denver's O-line having to completely switch styles in a matter of 3 or so games.

Not only switching styles, but having faith that the new style, which everybody that is anybody has said cannot work in the NFL (including Elway), on top of everybody saying your QB sucks.  It would have been much easier to listen to the haters, let Tebow take the blame, collect a paycheck, and look forward to next season.




Out of the blue.

I didn't even know you watched football.

I assumed you spent your island afternoons watching the natives attempt to flog a coconut with a taro root or some such.

Will wonders never cease...


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #15409097 - 11/22/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

How bad is Sanchez :mad2:


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #15409498 - 11/22/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

He is mediocre at best.  He's running out of "he has potential" room.  Do or do not.  There is no try.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15409891 - 11/22/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Prediction: In 2-3 years Sanchez will be a backup quarterback (whether it's with NY or somewhere else) and will remain that way for the rest of his career.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15410162 - 11/22/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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He is mediocre at best.  He's running out of "he has potential" room.  Do or do not.  There is no try.





This is his third fucking year in the league.

Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, even Jake Locker and Christian Ponder are significantly better.



How many fucking times has Mark Sanchez overthrown Plaxico Burress.  That's not easy to do.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #15412191 - 11/23/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Senor_Doobie said:


I'm not pissy because your opinion is different.  I'm pissy because your opinion is retarded.

Your comments about the offensive line being most important to an offense come across as nothing more than obligatory lip service when you make comments about how a "halfway decent" quarterback would be winning more games than Sanchez this season.  The offensive line has been woeful, period.  You take any other quarterback besides maybe Big Ben and you would have the same result. 




Again, if you look back at the history of my posts, you'd realize it's not "lip service".  I actually have spoken often about the vital importance of offensive line.  You can search it yourself.

In fact I probably talk more about offensive linemen than any other poster on here.  Again, go look through my posts if you don't believe me.




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And an offensive line can still be good as a unit with one or two guys who are not good?  Really?  Have you ever heard the expression "A chain is only as good as its weakest link?"  Case in point this season is the Jets line.






See now that is just plain fucking retarded.  You can bring on one or two strong offensive linemen to a unit and they can DRASTICALLY change the protecting ability of that unit.

Since you brought up Pittsbugh as an example, did you not even fucking see what kind of impact Maurkice Pouncey made as a rookie on one of the proported "worst offensive lines" in the league?

Have you not witnessed the impact of Chris Kuper in the starting lineup for the Broncos?


Or what the fuck happened to Seattle's running game after Hutchinson left?  I mean they kept all other 4 guys so they must've still been good enough right?

Do you even know about what happened to New Orleans' rushing attack the year after Jon Stinchcomb retired? 

Have you any clue about how much the Chiefs' running game has sucked since they let go of Brian Waters?






Do you have any idea how much better the Jets line would be of Damien Woody were playing instead of Wayne Hunter?

It's funny LS, you are arguing against me by using examples of how REPLACING a shitty offensive lineman with a capable one can drastically improve the performance of the line.  "A chain is only as good as its weakest link."  Say it a few times out loud and maybe you'll understand this concept. 

These lines that you mention were all bad because they had a bad player at one of the positions.  No offensive line is good if it has a bad player on it.

The Jets offensive line is bad.  And all your talk about how much you value offensive line play is lip service if you blame a quarterback for a bad year when he has a bad line in front of him.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15414511 - 11/23/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you have any idea how much better the Jets line would be of Damien Woody were playing instead of Wayne Hunter?

It's funny LS, you are arguing against me by using examples of how REPLACING a shitty offensive lineman with a capable one can drastically improve the performance of the line.  "A chain is only as good as its weakest link."  Say it a few times out loud and maybe you'll understand this concept. 







No, you said how if an offensive line has a weak link, the whole unit fails.  I was giving examples of how one single lineman being replaced or inserted can greatly change the outcome.


Alot of the guys who replaced these great linemen weren't horrible or a "weak link" in the chain.  They simply weren't as good as the players who left.


Which goes back to my original arguement, which is that one or two very strong offensive linemen can be the reason that a whole unit is successfull.


YOUR arguement is that you can't have a single weak link, or else the whole unit fails.  Which is fucking stupid.  ALL the examples I provided are examples of how one strong offensive lineman can be seen as the main contributor to strong offensive lines.  So obviously taking them away makes the whole unit seem bad.

Read through it again instead of just trying to twist everything in your mind to make yourself sound like you're right.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15414534 - 11/23/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you have any idea how much better the Jets line would be of Damien Woody were playing instead of Wayne Hunter?







Damien Woody is a very good player, but your whole arguement how because ONE lineman got injured and replaced by a backup destroying the whole unit is just absurd.  Especialy considering Wayner Hunter isn't that bad


You're talking about a Jets line that's been considered one of the best in the league over the past 3 seasons.

A unit that has two peaking linemen with multiple recent pro bowls.  A unit that's had more starts together than any other active streak.


But oh, I guess it's because Damien Woody is gone, now that Ferguson and Mangold miraculously are the ones to blame for Sanchez's continued suckage.


Give it a rest.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #15416207 - 11/24/11 04:58 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously?

Let's pretend for a minute you have half a brain.  And somehow you have a job as a coach in the NFL.  Now after looking at 30 seconds of game film it becomes obvious to you that Wayne Hunter is a piece of shit.  So, you are coming up with the blitz packages to launch against the Jets on Sunday.  You decide maybe it will be a good idea to expose the weakeness at right tackle.  So you send your best pass rusher through the right side and kill Sanchez 2-3 times.

Does it matter that Mangold is a pro-bowl center then?  Does the fact that Furgeson gets better every year help the fact that Hunter is being abused?  No, of course not! 

Let's take a look at one stat.  Last year the Jets gave up 28 sacks in the regular season.  This year, they gave up 26 and there is still six games left to go. 

Now wipe the drool off your chin and think.  How is it possible that a team is on pace to give up 10 more sacks than last year?  I mean, the only difference on the line is that Wayne Hunter is playing right tackle.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15416840 - 11/24/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Oh fucking stop and spit that cock out of your mouth.  Sanchez just isn't good.  Get over it.  Do you think he's the only QB in the NFL with a subpar O-line?  He isn't.  But he's essentially at the bottom in all relevant metrics.  Even measured against other QBs with shit O-lines.  Did his protection cause him to call that retarded time out that gave Brady an extra 30 or 40 seconds to beat their ass?


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #15416861 - 11/24/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Not to mention Denver's O-line having to completely switch styles in a matter of 3 or so games.

Not only switching styles, but having faith that the new style, which everybody that is anybody has said cannot work in the NFL (including Elway), on top of everybody saying your QB sucks.  It would have been much easier to listen to the haters, let Tebow take the blame, collect a paycheck, and look forward to next season.




Out of the blue.

I didn't even know you watched football.

I assumed you spent your island afternoons watching the natives attempt to flog a coconut with a taro root or some such.

Will wonders never cease...



I have nothing to add to the tebow convo but this made me :rofl:


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15418155 - 11/24/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Seriously?

Let's pretend for a minute you have half a brain.  And somehow you have a job as a coach in the NFL.  Now after looking at 30 seconds of game film it becomes obvious to you that Wayne Hunter is a piece of shit.  So, you are coming up with the blitz packages to launch against the Jets on Sunday.  You decide maybe it will be a good idea to expose the weakeness at right tackle.  So you send your best pass rusher through the right side and kill Sanchez 2-3 times.

Does it matter that Mangold is a pro-bowl center then?  Does the fact that Furgeson gets better every year help the fact that Hunter is being abused?  No, of course not! 

Let's take a look at one stat.  Last year the Jets gave up 28 sacks in the regular season.  This year, they gave up 26 and there is still six games left to go. 

Now wipe the drool off your chin and think.  How is it possible that a team is on pace to give up 10 more sacks than last year?  I mean, the only difference on the line is that Wayne Hunter is playing right tackle.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.





Or maybe you failed to realize OTHER factors that have contributed to Sanchez's increased sack total?


You think it really all falls on that one substitution at RT?


What about the fact that the Jet's running game has completely faltered from last year?  You don't think that plays a major roll in how often teams pass rush?

They went from 4th highest rushing offense to one of the worst.


Also how about the increased numbers of passing attempts Sanchez has made in losing games?  Do you not pay attention to that?


I mean you can place the blame on the switch at RT all you want.  It doesn't change the fact that Sanchez continuously makes the stupidest decisions game in and game out on a regular basis.


You still haven't even addressed the stupid shit he does against POOR pass rushing teams.



What's even MORE hilarious, is how you put all the glory and credit to Sanchez when he IS doing well.


I remember last year you specifically saying how "Sanchez outdueled Manning and Brady" during the playoffs after those wins.

As if the defense and run blocking had nothing to do with it.


And strangely...yet when Sanchez struggles this year, all I hear is you bitching and moaning that it's the Right Tackle's fault.



You do realize that Sanchez has almost never won a game from behind right?


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #15420875 - 11/25/11 06:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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You do realize that Sanchez has almost never won a game from behind right?




I do realize you are talking out your ass.  Off the top of my head, here are the games Sanchez has won from behind.

This year:  Dallas, San Diego
Last year: Miami, Detroit, Denver, Houston, and in the playoffs against the Colts.

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What about the fact that the Jet's running game has completely faltered from last year?  You don't think that plays a major roll in how often teams pass rush?




The running game is a lot worse this year.  But that's got nothing to do with the offensive line either, eh?  Is that Sanchez's fault too?

I admit Sanchez's decision-making has been bad at times.  But this is not the #1 concern I have nor is it the reason the Jets are losing games.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #15420880 - 11/25/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

and by the way, Sanchez is on pace to have 42 fewer pass attempts this year than last year.


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15420881 - 11/25/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Alex Smith couldn't do jack-diddly with .05 seconds his line gave him last night

Cris Collinsworth says: The most important player is the quarterback and the second most important player in the back-up quarterback

i say: qb o-line. d-line, kicker, what the fuck ever- you need all of it

the lions were fucked when suh got his ass thrown yesterday - i know that fucking much


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Re: I BELIEVE IN TEBOWWWW [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #15420886 - 11/25/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If the quarterback is the player most responsible for the success of an offense, what does that say about the guys who are responsible for his protection?


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