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What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL?
    #1538015 - 05/10/03 11:55 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

ppl r alwayse talkin about these books... from what i gather they're written by some famous psychedelic scientist.


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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: fjbk47985]
    #1538060 - 05/11/03 12:14 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

TIHKALTryptamines i Have Known And Loved:
The Chemistry Continues
PIHKAL Phenethylamines I Have Known And Loved:
A Chemical Love Story




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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: fjbk47985]
    #1538065 - 05/11/03 12:15 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Books by the great Dr. Alexander Shulgin  :grin:

Phikal discusses phenethylamine psychedelics ,of which he has invented many.
Thikal discusses tryptamine psychedelics.
He gives recipes and trip reports on hundreds of psychedelic compounds.
He is one of the greats. :grin: 


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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: chinacat72]
    #1538213 - 05/11/03 01:26 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

I thought this one would get answered pretty fast... :wink:


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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: Papaver]
    #1538246 - 05/11/03 01:49 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Hey,
My friend , how's it going????
Papavar one of the true gems of this site.
You are golden and how are you.  :smile:
 


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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: chinacat72]
    #1538890 - 05/11/03 01:26 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Remember to get in touch with me before you come out for the Country Fair. You are coming out for that, right? :laugh:


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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: Papaver]
    #1538906 - 05/11/03 01:33 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

but what exactly are Tryptamines and Phenethylamines?


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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: yelimS]
    #1538928 - 05/11/03 01:47 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Tryptamines are hallucinogenic compounds based on ring substitutions on a bicyclic indole ring foundation. These include LSD, DMT, Psilosybin, etc...

Penethylamines are hallucinogenic compounds based on ring substituions on a mono-cyclic, ethyl- or propyl- sidechained, amphetamine-like, foundation. These include Mescaline, Ecstacy, DOM, etc...

They are basically two distinct structual families, or classes, of psychedelics...


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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: Papaver]
    #1539047 - 05/11/03 03:11 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

the online portions are mostly the "recipes" & trip reports...
the published versions have other stuff, like autobiographical sketches (fictionalaized as "shura" & "alice") of the chemist and his wife, stories of group study sessions & solo outings & the growth of the 2 of them into a dyad, as well as musings on everything from plants to consciousness to stupid drug laws to rumor generation to the use of "psychedelic" type chmicals as part of the theraputic process to the silliness of physicists & their pet "big bang" theory, & much more stuff, hehheh...


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Re: What Are TIHKAL and PIHKAL? [Re: yelimS]
    #1539927 - 05/11/03 11:03 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

>>Tryptamines are entheoogenic compounds based on ring substitutions on a bicyclic indole ring foundation. These include LSD, DMT, Psilocybin, etc...

Phenethylamines are entheogenic compounds based on ring substituions on a mono-cyclic, ethyl- or propyl- sidechained, amphetamine-like, foundation. These include Mescaline, MDMA, DOM, etc...

They are basically two distinct structual families, or classes, of psychedelics... <<

:grin:
had to edit your response pappy, I hope you don't mind, but I don't believe any Phenethylamines or Tryptamines are truly "hallucinogenic" (Stop being oldschool! :smile: )
hallucinations are too close to psychosis, and I believe entheogens help oneself contact the subconscious, rather than induce a psychotic state like anti cholinergenics, kinda like fertilizer for plants!
these books need to be on your shelf...
Book one of Pihkal is one of the best things I have ever read!
Plus Mount Diablo is a beauty at sundown from the other side portrayed by the book....(I'll take a pic sometime...one of these days) :grin:


Edited by Morphrying (05/11/03 11:13 PM)


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Re: What Are TIHKAL and PIHKAL? [Re: Morphrying]
    #1540192 - 05/12/03 12:26 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

Good Point! :cool:

> Stop being oldschool!

LoLz! I'll try, but I grew up in the '70s, so it ain't gonna be easy! :grin:


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Re: What Are THIKAL and PHIKAL? [Re: Papaver]
    #1540241 - 05/12/03 12:39 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

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Remember to get in touch with me before you come out for the Country Fair. You are coming out for that, right? :laugh: 




I'll be there. I remember I owe you a beer. :grin: 


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