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Invisibleutopianglory
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Vaporizing Psilocybin
    #1537590 - 05/10/03 08:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps this has been posed before but here it is:

I happened upon a batch of extremely cheap vaporizers, we're talking sub $10. These are obviously not spectacular vaporizing weed. I have tested them and it seems to me it is running too hot (The "vaporized" product has a smell). Fortunately being somewhat of a person involved in electronics I can go to the trouble of reducing the power to the element and hence reaching the optimum temperature - making the vaporizers fairly cost effective.

Since I bought more than one, I don't know whether anybody has tried this, but I would like to experiment with vaporizing psilocybin (and perhaps other actives), I do not know the temperature at which it vaporizes though. We all know the heat is detrimental but it may not be an issue at the temperature at which it vaporizes. Anyway.. its an interesting thing to try, if only for the spectacle.


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: utopianglory]
    #1537709 - 05/10/03 09:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Erowid states that the crystals melt anywhere from 185 to 228 C. The vapor temp will be above that somewhat, but probably not by much.


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: Seuss]
    #1538314 - 05/11/03 02:33 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for that. So it is essentially around the same temperature of THC


Edited by utopianglory (05/11/03 02:34 AM)


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: utopianglory]
    #1538328 - 05/11/03 02:45 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

this is interesting. This might work much better than smoking mushrooms, which to me always seemed like a complete waste of time...and nasty too!


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: utopianglory]
    #1538459 - 05/11/03 04:02 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You would have to make an extract, using methanol, and then turn it into it's freebase form. I was planning on doing this one day to compare with DMT.


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: psychopsilocyber]
    #1538840 - 05/11/03 12:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

There isn't such thing as psilocybin freebase.
Psilocybin is a salt by itself and will not be converted to freebase in the presence of a base.

That doesn't mean it can't be vaporized though. There are substances like methamphetamine that can be vaporized in their salt form...

I tried vaporizing a little bit of shroom extract to see if it would have any effect. I threw a little ball (maybe 1g worth of shrooms) of MeOH shroom extract into a test tube. I heated it from below with a alcohol torch. It was the harshest smoke i've ever inhaled and it left a really big mess in the tube. No noticeable effects.

The amount of extract i used in this experience is usually enough for me to get a definite mildly trippy high for 2 or 3 hours if taken orally... I could have done something wrong though, as i had never attempted to vaporize any other substance before.

So if you want to, make some extract, if possible purify it and give it a try in controlled conditions...That way you can be sure if it works or not.


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: esin]
    #1538874 - 05/11/03 01:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Its possible it can be done other ways but whats the point? Just do it the normal way, thats known to be safe and probably most effective. What if the spores start growing in your lungs? hehe

So many people wanna try doing things different way after they already work. If it aint broke dont fix it lol. People trying to make salvia tea, snort freebase thc, smoke dxm, smoke rolls, inject acid. Come on folk. There is no need to get so crazy over things if you're already getting good effects.


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: DailyPot]
    #1538947 - 05/11/03 01:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I dont know about psilocybin, but a chemist told me that psilocin base is smokable.


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: trypyamine]
    #1539184 - 05/11/03 04:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I was thinking the same thing. Here is a link to some helpfull extraction info: Ask Shulgin


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: DailyPot]
    #1540125 - 05/12/03 12:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Because being static is silly.

People should always be trying new things, exploring new avenues.

Imagine if tens of thousands of years ago, some hunter saw a bunch of shrooms, and said "eh, we never ate them before - why bother? I hunt just fine, and have produced children! What more do I need?"


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: utopianglory]
    #1540160 - 05/12/03 12:18 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i think psilocybin its self just breaks down with heat... so if its still psilocybin in the extract no matter what state its in, its still psilocybin. so the heat from a vaporizer would for sure kill anything


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: shroomizzy]
    #1546003 - 05/13/03 07:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomizzy,

That has always been the general theory - but it should be remembered that at boiling temperature it does not appear to break down (think about tea). Burning it with a flame might but vaporising falls inbetween boiling and burning so it may not cause that much damage.

Thanks for the replies people, I'm not trying to do anything but experiment a little.


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: utopianglory]
    #19523579 - 02/05/14 04:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So after much thought I came to an epiphany. I have a friend who is testing my theory out next week. When we think of vaporizing I get the idea that most of us are using something similar to a herbal vaporizer. What if instead one were to make a psilocybin extract and then use this to make an eliquid.  Which is rather easily done. All you need is a liquid vape (I personally like the mng vapes) prypoline glycol and glycerin.  Of course a flavoring would be nice maybe orange with actual vitamin C in it if possible. Like I said I have no idea if this works but in theory it should when I find out I'll be happy to report findings as well as what mixtures work best for me when done. Any input would be much appreciated though.

For science!


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: homemadetripstick]
    #19523602 - 02/05/14 04:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Can anyone confirm if psilocybin or psilocin denatures at vaporizing temperatures?


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19523622 - 02/05/14 04:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

From everything I've seen or read it is not heat that denatures the psilocybin it is oxidation on top of heating past the melting point which would be between 343-349°F. Hence why I assume liquid vaporization of the extract would work because you isolate the psilocybin and expose it to an electrical source of heat just as you do when making tea.

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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: homemadetripstick]
    #19523906 - 02/05/14 08:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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homemadetripstick said:
So after much thought I came to an epiphany. I have a friend who is testing my theory out next week. When we think of vaporizing I get the idea that most of us are using something similar to a herbal vaporizer. What if instead one were to make a psilocybin extract and then use this to make an eliquid.  Which is rather easily done. All you need is a liquid vape (I personally like the mng vapes) prypoline glycol and glycerin.  Of course a flavoring would be nice maybe orange with actual vitamin C in it if possible. Like I said I have no idea if this works but in theory it should when I find out I'll be happy to report findings as well as what mixtures work best for me when done. Any input would be much appreciated though.

For science!




Can't wait to hear the results of this!


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Re: Vaporizing Psilocybin [Re: Da2ra]
    #19524002 - 02/05/14 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If it helps, I've smoked crumbled shroom and felt nothing.


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