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gymnopilus penetrans?
    #15370724 - 11/14/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I found these today and I was thinking gymnopilus sp. of some kind. Thanks for your help in advance.








Why aren't these active in the PNW while they are in other parts of the world? Are they a different species to the active ones found in other areas in the US?


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #15371005 - 11/14/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

did you take a spore print?, there aren't any scales on the cap, I'm thinking it's not a gymnopilus.

not sure that the gyms in your area aren't active, seems like a lot of the gyms have showed up pictured on the shroomery from your are were.


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: falcon]
    #15371523 - 11/14/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I found these about a week ago and they were inactive so I figured the other ones were as well. Sorry but I didn't make a spore print.


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #15371557 - 11/14/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)
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You are going to need to do some microscopy to get anywhere with those.  I would call them G. sapineus if I found them, but I am not saying its not penetrans.

Are you using Hesler's monograph to ID these?

Why not call them Gymnopilus liquiritiae?

The only Gymnopilus species that contains psilocybin and occurs on the west coast is G. luteofolius.  Maybe G. aeruginosus and G. punctifolius too.  Maybe others, not sure.  I don't trust anyone's Gymnopilus identifications except in the case of a couple easy to recognize species.

Laura Guzman studied the type collections of many Gymnopilus species and found significant spore size differences with what is published in the monograph, so take it with a grain of salt.  The Mycologia article I attached has some solid info.


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15371761 - 11/14/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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You are going to need to do some microscopy to get anywhere with those.  I would call them G. sapineus if I found them, but I am not saying its not penetrans.

Are you using Hesler's monograph to ID these?

Why not call them Gymnopilus liquiritiae?

The only Gymnopilus species that contains psilocybin and occurs on the west coast is G. luteofolius.  Maybe G. aeruginosus and G. punctifolius too.  Maybe others, not sure.  I don't trust anyone's Gymnopilus identifications except in the case of a couple easy to recognize species.

Laura Guzman studied the type collections of many Gymnopilus species and found significant spore size differences with what is published in the monograph, so take it with a grain of salt.  The Mycologia article I attached has some solid info.




thanks for the link Alan. So only the aeruginosus-luteofolius group is active on the west coast? Please forgive the fact that I do not own a microscope... yet. I would like to get one for Christmas but my budget range is only about $150 and I don't know if that would be enough to get anything useful. This might be a dumb question but if someone introduced spores of east coast gymnopilus junonius would they still not be psychoactive on the west coast? Thanks for all of your help. :bow2:


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #15371901 - 11/14/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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thanks for the link Alan. So only the aeruginosus-luteofolius group is active on the west coast?




As far as I can tell.  Which isn't very far.

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Please forgive the fact that I do not own a microscope... yet. I would like to get one for Christmas but my budget range is only about $150 and I don't know if that would be enough to get anything useful.




You can get an amscope that will do everything you need for about 190.  Ebay should have plenty in the 150 range that work fine.  Make sure it has an oil immersion objective, that is the one feature that separates toy microscopes from useful microscopes.

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This might be a dumb question but if someone introduced spores of east coast gymnopilus junonius would they still not be psychoactive on the west coast?




They would be active.

This might be a dumb question but do you think that the east coast active junonius is actually luteus?


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15371926 - 11/14/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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This might be a dumb question but do you think that the east coast active junonius is actually luteus?




There is a good chance that they are (they look similar). I have learned that there is a very wide margin in veneration of species with most mushroom.
Do you have any information about the evolution of mushrooms? I haven't found much on the subject online.


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #15371944 - 11/14/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I have learned that there is a very wide margin in veneration of species with most mushroom.





This might be a dumb question, but what is veneration?


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Do you have any information about the evolution of mushrooms?




http://www.biology.duke.edu/fungi/mycolab/publications/117clades.html


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15372005 - 11/14/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

From Wikipedia.
Veneration (Latin veneratio, Greek δουλεία, douleia), or veneration of saints, is a special act of honoring a saint: an angel, or a dead person who has been identified by a church committee as singular in the traditions of the religion. It is practiced by the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic, and Eastern Catholic Churches. In some denominations, veneration is shown outwardly by respectfully bowing or making the sign of the cross before a saint's icon, relics, or statue.

variation not veneration. :facepalm: sorry.


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15373270 - 11/15/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Mjk is starting a mushroom cult??? I want in!


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Alan, can you recommend any publications that focus on the paleontology of fungus?


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Re: gymnopilus penetrans? [Re: Gravija]
    #15373656 - 11/15/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan, can you recommend any publications that focus on the paleontology of fungus?



Google Prototaxites. It's quite interesting. :thumbup:


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