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Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets 8
#15371036 - 11/14/11 08:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wanted to post a sclerotia harvest up on the boards, I feel there aren't enough.. and I found them highly encouraging when I was getting started on the sclerotia species...
An isolate of P. Galindoi ATL was used for these harvests. The isolate was one of 35 sectors removed for testing, I selected this strain for its small but very numerous stones it creates. When culturing it out on agar it produced a very prominent yellow/tan mycelium color band in its growth... the same color stratification's that P.Galindoi is typical of on agar culture, but this isolates banding color was nearly 3 times the width of all 34 other isolation's I cultured. It is my belief that this color banding layer of the mycelium growth is predominately where the sclerotia begin their formation, on petris and in spawn...
Anyways, this strain creates hundreds of pea/chickpea sized stones in the spawn bags... with the occasional golf ball+ sizes... the stones tend to cluster and grow together creating a "styrofoam" looking nut in the end..
My other strains that were selected produce larger, better formed stones, but fail on the weight of stones that this isolate can create.
A typical bag from this isolate will create 400 - 600 grams per 5lbs of fully prepared wheat spawn, while my larger stone isolates of galindoi will come in at around 300 grams/5lb bag.
Anyways, here's a few photos of harvesting a bag of stones..
This is what I've put together as the most simple and cleanest way to harvest my stones.
 
I've put together a simple frame that fits one of my tubs and lined it with a 1/4" mesh screen. It is very simple, but makes it a hell of a lot easier to bring your stones out of the grain. Simply jiggle it, crumble your cakes, jiggle it some more... the spent grain that falls through the screen is then spawned to your bulk substrate of choice.. It can do a 5lb bag of colonized grain is 5 minutes with a little practice, and depending on how deep you want to dig for the last dangling pieces of stubborn grain...
  
Wheat Grain, Soaked 16 hours, Boiled with a handful of espresso grounds, strained, surface dried a little more than I'd do for a cubensis (I truly believe stones preform better with a slightly lower moisture level, in my experience it gives a greater longevity to the bag before rot sets in as well as lessening the condensation levels for 6+ month runs)... each bag weighs 5lbs when knocked up.
 Freed from bag
 Minor crumbling to search for larger stones
 After searching for the monster stones, I like to crumble everything down to about in between a shooter marble and a golf ball.
 Looks like a nightmare to pick through...
 A quick rubbing with the fingers is a fast way to knock off loose grain...
 I then proceed to shake the tub for a second, all the loose grains just fall below leaving behind the golden stones...
 Gold!
 This strain isolation produces predominately smaller stones.. about the size of a chickpea... 95% of the stones form in the golden mycelial layer which typically runs from the edge of the container(mycobag in this case) to an inner depth of about 2-3"... the grain from that point to the center of the bag tends to be tied very loosely with whispey mycelium.. the grain in the center of the bags tends to just fall away freely when busting the bag open, while the stone layer produces a much stronger caking effect, similar to breaking sheets of Styrofoam.. I theorize the mycelium is draining the central grains of water and nutrients and feeding the stone production in the outer ring of dense mycelium...
 Dry faster... simple screen drying to knock out most of the water before making it to the dehydrator, plus the dehydrator is full anyways...
 I love stones... powder, boil for 5 minutes in 12oz water, make your favorite tea, steep for 15minutes.. consume... nothing better...
 Screen lifts off... I once spent a Lord of the Rings Marathon going through one of these tubs after 10 - 5lb bags of harvests... I was meticulous but stoned, I managed to recover 150grams of stones that were small enough to fall through the 1/4in screen...
 This is perfect spawn... just add your favorite substrate..
Here's another bag being harvested. I tried to capture the variations in mycelial growth by breaking it in pieces.. the lighting worked on some and not others... the photos with the more "golden" hue to the substrate are the better representation of the actual colors.
     
That's about it... I have to throw out some praise for Sclerotia species.. absolutely fantastic. I would love to see a more posts on others grows, experiences, and patterns of behavior from these strains..
Thanks for letting me share that..
Peace
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15371070 - 11/14/11 08:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow great pics gonna have to give this a try
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15371134 - 11/14/11 08:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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A fellow sclerotia freak!
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: stonesun]
#15371191 - 11/14/11 08:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are the sports car of psilocybe world, imho...
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15371202 - 11/14/11 08:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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this thread is awesome
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: stonesun]
#15371206 - 11/14/11 08:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good gold; that is breath-taking!
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: stonesun]
#15371213 - 11/14/11 08:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am just starting my first grows got some cambo on brf and 8 sawdust blocks of oyster and kings. I have read extensively on sclerotia but now after seeing all this I have no choice but to order some spores and get it going ! But in all the other threads I read they mostly say grass seed dilute coffee in quart jars... Those pics of all those bags woot ! Awesome !
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15371270 - 11/14/11 08:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I say make a list of grains that you would mind chewing on... then pick the cheapest one you could find in your area...
3 weeks of babysitting lightly after knocking them up, and then forget about them.. visit when needed..
These are all room temp, varying 65 - 75.. small condensation problems with this range, but with lowering the moisture content of your grain a bit from "optimum", I've seem to find a healthy balance.. the mycelium eventually crawls up the bags drinking every last drop of condensation..
Also, the bags were 4 months to the day from inoculation.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15371483 - 11/14/11 09:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is a great informative thread. I have hard wheat kernels and Psilocybe tampanensis, wondering if I should try this out.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: iron]
#15371912 - 11/14/11 10:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like a recipe...
Staggering 1 batch in your cooker a week, will bury you in stones.. Grain LC is by far the best thing ever invented.. every other week start a new Grain Master or two, refrigerate them... I can dry a pound out of 3 or 4 bags...
I like to make one gram(dried) teas on days off... its like a burst of energy with a dopamine chaser...
I watched someone make a tea with 20 dried grams, It was later dubbed "Two Sip Punch" and it leveled 15 people and made them all wanna go home from the bar and hide in their curtains.. ha ha..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: iron]
#15371927 - 11/14/11 10:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is a great thread. I love that last pic of the shelves full of bags. Are they all sclerotia bags?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Wing]
#15371975 - 11/14/11 10:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya, couple different isolates of galindoi.... nearing the end sadly.. I can hear them crying... their deaths will be swift...
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15372088 - 11/14/11 11:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice thread.
Thanks for sharing,
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15372208 - 11/14/11 11:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15372299 - 11/14/11 11:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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    For you man. This thread is awesome.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15372347 - 11/15/11 12:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you only worked with P. Galindoi ATL so far? I heard Mexicana A is the best variety. Is that true? Very nice work.
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Stonesun did a good job of laying out the productivity of stone producers. Look up his thread.
Here it is: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13104187#13104187
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fantastic
i want to see what happens with all those grains
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: eLShaMukO]
#15372460 - 11/15/11 12:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone.
I started sclerotia producers all at the same time, running strain isolation's on agar of tamp, mexA, and galindoi..
all my tamps produced some of the most amazing agar plates, mex's too.. galindoi's were nice and kicked out tons of mini stones on the plates.
I put them all into larger spawn runs of multiple isolation's to get a nice average for each isolation.. at the end of 3 months I harvested samples of each.
I have no doubt that I messed something up in my GLC's for my tamps and my mexA's, I believe it was not using a freshly sterilized water jar for my GLC.. but both my MexA's and Tamps had minor yeast contamination's -and this completely shut down their stone production although they both held their own full control of the spawn itself mycelium wise.. it was weird and a bummer.
But all my galindoi isolation's sailed, each producing a wide variety of differences. After that I ran out of shelf room honing in on the isolation's I wanted to tweak more... and haven't re-awoken the other two stone producers. I want to go back and get a good grow from MexA..
These species eat your shelf space...
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Javadog]
#15372469 - 11/15/11 12:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Javadog said: Stonesun did a good job of laying out the productivity of stone producers. Look up his thread.
Here it is: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13104187#13104187
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15372473 - 11/15/11 12:44 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Beautiful and encouraging man. Nice job
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So here is an interesting question. We all know indirect light effects growth when colonizing but how much indirect light can a stone producer handle until it is too much? Perhaps more then cubes? Maybe this will encourage larger stones like brighter light encourages larger caps?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15372492 - 11/15/11 12:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you spawn all of that grain?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#15372513 - 11/15/11 12:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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my steam pasteurizer can't keep up with me, but between me, it and the compost pile we keep a good balance going... I do have a psychedelic chipmunk problem though..
PinsWell - I've never thought of light effects on stone production.. I have a couple different stages of growth going, I'm going to select out a few of each and put them in some good diffused natural lighting.. I'll post back on that one..
These stones stay in the dark most of the time.. listening to public radio.. good public radio though... eclectic shit..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15380282 - 11/16/11 04:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've placed a couple bags from each isolation in diffused sunlight.. will let them sit a few months.. no major temp changes in the move..
I also clipped the top of a bag off and placed the bottom portion(stone cake) in a terrarium and introduced to fruiting conditions.. see if it will produce fruits..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15472392 - 12/05/11 11:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm very glad I caught this thread. Starting the 30day countdown to 6mth harvest of my Galindoi jars...  That's a good amount of time to locate that mesh screen. Thanks for posting!
   
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
#15472567 - 12/05/11 11:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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DAMN MAN!!! you have some good shit goin on! love the 3 electro A941s!!!!!
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~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: slapphappypill]
#15473451 - 12/06/11 07:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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ebay did me right on those AA75x sterilizers... all 3 for less than $600.. took 3 months of waiting and watching.. worth their weight in gold for stone production...
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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this looks SO much easier.....maybe i should find a culture for stones instead of repeatedly trying to re-hydrate my old orissa print that has been pissing me off......very cool.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: markalbob]
#15473824 - 12/06/11 09:40 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm still amazed that this post hasn't have a few hundred replies by now! Hehe between you and stonesun, I've been inspired to go with stone growing after I move and get a basement again!
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FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!
I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: slapphappypill]
#15473938 - 12/06/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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so, am i missing anything here?
Stone pros: easier than fruiting, tastier and less nausea in some reports, similar potencies Stone cons: take longer
Shroom pros: some folks want to see the fruit, not all species stone Shroom cons: can be harder to fruit than to grow sclerotia, taste worse
right now, it just looks like stones taste better, they might be less likely to make you nauseous, they're less work, and they do the same damn thing--what am I missing?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: markalbob]
#15473956 - 12/06/11 10:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some strains of stone producers are not very good fruiters so getting a fresh print to start over from time to time could be a challenge depending on the strain. The 'takes longer' part also will reflect the amount of product produced because in a 3 months time you could produce a shit ton of cubes or half as many stones. The up side of this little fact is bags of spawn take up less room and are less needy then cubes. I think it probably comes down to 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
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Just got a print of Ps. Tampanensis and am going to try and fruit it.
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#15474311 - 12/06/11 11:37 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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markalbob said: so, am i missing anything here?
Stone pros: easier than fruiting, tastier and less nausea in some reports, similar potencies Stone cons: take longer
Shroom pros: some folks want to see the fruit, not all species stone Shroom cons: can be harder to fruit than to grow sclerotia, taste worse
right now, it just looks like stones taste better, they might be less likely to make you nauseous, they're less work, and they do the same damn thing--what am I missing?
On the pros: Stealth grow conditions...big plus in some situations.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Fishermanj]
#15474464 - 12/06/11 12:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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More pros:
Less vectors for contamination.. If you can sterilize grain and do GLC's.. your done.. no pasteurizing mishaps, flies, or gnats..
No babysitting, temp checking, moisture level worries.. Completely stealth especially if you attach a couple alibis to your operation with a couple gourmet varieties.. the average person is easily mystified by oysters and wouldn't think twice about your bags of colonizing stones..
No tubs, no lengthy cleanups and all contaminations are contained in the spawn bags to be easily disposed of..
CONS: 0% marketability... might as well try to sell people a pill that causes cancer first.. it would be easier.. unless something major puts a wide range of knowledge to the general public, these will never really be a bulk operation that would cover any costs..
Takes up space.. the more ya grow, the more ya gotta give room to.. On a typical 5 shelf rubbermaid storage shelf I can fit 60 colonizing 5lb bags.. in a 200square feet room with narrow walkways between shelves you could fit over 1500 bags..
While, there is no doubt you can turn and burn cubensis every 4-6 weeks, it is a ton more work involved, from bulk substrate movement, pasteurizing, temp and humidity regulation, lighting, etc etc..
200 bags of cubie spawn from start to finish would take me: 4days grain prep, 1day inoculation, 5 days substrate prep, 1 day to birth, multiple days for harvest/drying.. (my growing area is chock full of nasties so I'd lose 10-20% in the process) Each bag average 6oz dry when spawned to a cubic foot of spawn, 200 x 6oz roughly 75lbs dry but with my high contam rate 60-65lbs dry.. maybe..
200 bags of Stones from start to finish: 4days grain prep, 1 day inoculation, 2 days of harvest.. Might lose a bag or two to freak accidents.. my bags are consistently pulling 400-600grams fresh, dried to 100-200grams dried.. 100grams X 200bags 20000grams(roughly 44lbs)
I'm not trying to hard code the actual harvest weights, just estimates/experiences that I've been going off of.. this is not a hobby where you count your chickens before they hatch..
I love seeing a big cubie flush.. but on a small scale.. watching your grow room turn green because of one tiny mistake is a bitch.. I hate losing my work..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15474498 - 12/06/11 12:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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 Trying to figure out ways around this myself. You mentioned honey. I'm also thinking chocolates (more work, more costs ) or gelcaps. Still, as a consumer myself I'm wary if I can't see the actual mushroom... more people need to be informed about the awesomeness of sclerotia.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
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devilstone said: CONS: 0% marketability... might as well try to sell people a pill that causes cancer first.. it would be easier.. unless something major puts a wide range of knowledge to the general public, these will never really be a bulk operation that would cover any costs..
 Trying to figure out ways around this myself. You mentioned honey. I'm also thinking chocolates (more work, more costs ) or gelcaps. Still, as a consumer myself I'm wary if I can't see the actual mushroom... more people need to be informed about the awesomeness of sclerotia.
Ok, let me preface this by saying it's not something I would do myself (selling that is), but all one would have to do is to give away a few pounds in gel caps in your market to get the word out...call them powdered magic truffles. I bet from there on, people would get it.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
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On the honey, I powdered some dried stones through a coffee grinder and put 2 grams + 10cc warm honey into a 6mil 5"long 2" wide poly tubing (ULINE) impulse sealed on both ends with all air squeezed out.. for 3 months they were awesome, tight, concealed, easily labeled, carried, eaten ..yada yada yada.. at the 3 month mark I started to get complaints about potency loss, at 4months none of the packets I tried would produce effects anymore.. this was tested against 5000 packets..
I think the powdering severely added to the potency loss. Maybe drying and packaging them unground in the honey would preserve better, but I haven't gone back to try.. drying and making tea with them is my favorite method..
Everclear tinctures are great too and easily accepted by most anyone for a "dose" of shrooms.. but, processing in large scale would probably require you to learn how to make moonshine in your garage.. there is a alkaloid loss in the process..
I have fresh stones in the fridge that are on 8 months with no signs of anything wrong.. they are just rolled up loosely in a sandwich baggie.
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ahh, more surface area for O2 exposure... seems like there is some experimental work to be done in this area...
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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devilstone said: On the honey, I powdered some dried stones through a coffee grinder and put 2 grams + 10cc warm honey into a 6mil 5"long 2" wide poly tubing (ULINE) impulse sealed on both ends with all air squeezed out.
I wonder if doing a nitrogen flush of the tubing once you seal one end and before you fill would provide any benefit. Dry nitrogen is pretty cheap...
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Making the packets was a very time consuming process by hand.. I think adding the nitrogen would probably be beneficial but would greatly increase the work load to beyond reasonable.. but on a small scale it should surely be tried..
I really loved the honey packets.. they took away the "alien" nature of the stones from the average psychonaught.. I wish I could record some of the reactions of people when given an opportunity to partake in them..
Removing the connotation of mushrooms from sclerotia would probably be beneficial in marketing them..
One guy I know moves them as natural forms of extacy... while I think its terribly wrong to misrepresent and dilute psychonaughts, he has a line of would be ravers out his door..
When it all boils down to it.. packaging is everything..
I supply 20+ Multiple Sclerosis sufferers with bi-weekly 2gram fresh doses.. all 20 people experience +/- 90% reduction in their symptoms. The effect lasts for 3 days, diminishing a little each day. On the third day, they redose 2grams fresh. The effects (psychedelic high) are non-existent on the second dosage, but the medicinal effects remain. If any of the patients skip a dose the mild effects return on the next dose.. but disappear on a regular dosing schedule.
I also have two people diagnosed bi-polar, both have weened themselves off their medications by using a bi-weekly sclerotia dosage chart.. they were able to do this with a willing psychologist and semi-controlled environments.
Both the MS and bi-polar groups have been doing this regiment for over a year now.
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devilstone said: I supply 20+ Multiple Sclerosis sufferers with bi-weekly 2gram fresh doses.. all 20 people experience +/- 90% reduction in their symptoms. The effect lasts for 3 days, diminishing a little each day. On the third day, they redose 2grams fresh. The effects (psychedelic high) are non-existent on the second dosage, but the medicinal effects remain. If any of the patients skip a dose the mild effects return on the next dose.. but disappear on a regular dosing schedule.
I also have two people diagnosed bi-polar, both have weened themselves off their medications by using a bi-weekly sclerotia dosage chart.. they were able to do this with a willing psychologist and semi-controlled environments.
Both the MS and bi-polar groups have been doing this regiment for over a year now.
Dude, that is just freaking awesome. Helping people in need is what life should be about. Kudos to you.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Fishermanj]
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I like the chocolates personally. They are fairly easy to make and store very easy.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Fishermanj]
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Yep, good info. Thx for sharing!
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Do you powder dried stones for this, or just chunk them up and let them absorb oils from the chocolate? I thought about this too but was severely sidetracked before attempting it. Anyone have a ballpark figure on storage shelf-life frozen?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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Ohhh my chocolates are made of cubes ground to a powder then mixed with melted chocolate, peanut butter and whatever else i feel like adding to the mix. Sometimes caramel or like butterscotch. Or like just mint chocolate. Sometimes with heath chunks. the sky is the limit, use your imagination. Mix it all up and press it into the silicon ice cube mold trays and pop it in the freezer til they are good and solid then pop them out and wrap them up in foil then put them in a container and back into the freezer.
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devilstone said: I supply 20+ Multiple Sclerosis sufferers with bi-weekly 2gram fresh doses.. all 20 people experience +/- 90% reduction in their symptoms. The effect lasts for 3 days, diminishing a little each day. On the third day, they redose 2grams fresh. The effects (psychedelic high) are non-existent on the second dosage, but the medicinal effects remain. If any of the patients skip a dose the mild effects return on the next dose.. but disappear on a regular dosing schedule.
I also have two people diagnosed bi-polar, both have weened themselves off their medications by using a bi-weekly sclerotia dosage chart.. they were able to do this with a willing psychologist and semi-controlled environments.
Both the MS and bi-polar groups have been doing this regiment for over a year now.
Good to know. This is great work... I support anything that weans people off pharma "maintenance" meds. This is my plan for myself & sclerotia (quelling anxiety & bipolar) and glad to know its been done with good results. Who knows maybe I'll even try it for weaning off opiate dependence. Once I harvest I shall get on this biweekly regimen you mentioned. I rated you already but if I could I would rate again just for this. Kudos!!
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
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That's very encouraging news! I cannot wait for my own jars to be done... one more month...
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Here's some of the packaging I was referring to: 6mil poly tubing, 2" width, 5" length, Impulse sealed, filled with honey and ground stones, Air pressed out, then sealed shut...
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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Damn buddy!
That's professional as hell. Extremely nice presentation. Five shrooms to you.
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Beautiful. That's what I call taking pride in your work.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink] 1
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Thanks. Just made up some chocolates today.. scoobie doo on a stick..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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Completely stealth especially if you attach a couple alibis to your operation with a couple gourmet varieties.. the average person is easily mystified by oysters and wouldn't think twice about your bags of colonizing stones..
Excellent point. I don't need stealth but...how you gonna know what's in this or that bag when there's a bunch of them sitting around? 
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This is fascinating - any theories about why it's working like that?
About the other - regular mushroom consumption keeps my (mild) bipolar symptoms completely under control.
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That's beyond awesome. I'd rate you again if I could!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: PrimalSoup]
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i admit the packaging is nice but imagine the cops finding 5000 bags clearly stating psilocybe galindoi is in each one. they got you on intent to distribute, commercial production, so many other charges. you better just start expanding your butthole now so the pain is less intense.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: TrIpPin_FaCe]
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Very official looking stuff.
For a laugh, if the above comment seems apt, check this
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Javadog]
#15484923 - 12/08/11 09:36 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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haha.. funny stuff there javadog...
Fortunately the packaging is two years into history.. and I won't be seeing them again..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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Well then, Mischief Managed. ;0)
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Javadog]
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Ok, so question for everyone..
I noticed a post last night on expanding the mycelium after the first harvest of stones into a larger bin with a bulk sub with the intent of just producing more stones from the bulk sub..
Post Reference: Growing Sclerotia of record breaking size in particular this post by fungi:
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I get lots of sclerotia bigger than golfballs after spawning my grain jars to coir/vermiculite. I like to spawn them as soon as the jars have colonized. I don't try to fruit the sub, I just leave the lid on the tub and put it away. They grow 5x faster this way. Golfball sized sclerotia can grow in around a month. The substrate will develop cracks all over it from the stones growing. If the subs seem a little dry after a few weeks I dunk them.
When I'm ready to harvest, I just wash my hands, and dig out the stones. Then I pack the substrate back down in the tub, give it a good watering, and put it away again. You can get several flushes of stones this way. I don't know about other strains, but ATL#7 is crazy resistant to contaminants. I've never had a contaminant show up in my sclerotia tubs
I've been dumping the subs outside after 3 or 4 flushes. I've got ATL#7 fruits popping up all over my yard now, and I've even dug through the old subs and found tons more big sclerotia.
Leaving them in grain jars for 6+ months is for the birds IMO. Anyone who has doubts, please just try this with one or two jars. I promise you will be amazed.
My question is, has anyone done this, and what bulk sub are you using to harvest stones from.. I've dumped several harvested spawn sacks into manure with intent to fruit.. they devoured the manure in half the time it took cubies spawned on the same day.. but I'm pretty damn confident I'm not going to be chomping a stone pulled from a sack of manure..
Who's eating stones from bulk subs? And what's your analysis of the interior of the stones from those subs..?
I have no doubt I'm eating some grain from harvesting stones grown in grain.. I can deal with this.. but I'm curious on the expansion and the subs used to do it..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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I've left harvest tubs after harvesting, still full of colonized grain.. placed the lids on top(loose fitting plastic bin lids) and left them for over a month...
Cobweb took over the tops of several, couple took on a bacterial contam from high moisture, and some colonized solid but seemed to have lost most of their water content and died off or went severely dormant. None of these bins were cared for in any way and they were left untouched for at least 30 days... it seems that above 8" of depth was the smothering point and bacteria started to win out..
If they had been spawned to something they probably all would of made it through with extra nutes and water..
Never checked for stones in the bins, just added them all to the compost pile.. lots and lots of happy chipmunks this year..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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loved reading through this. hats off to Devil stone. love to see such a nice write up. + rep
been playing around with sclerotia species for a little while now myself, and have been trying to get a good mex A culture for ova a year now XD I have jars of mex A that may have to get harvested for christmas :P but they are forming some strange looking sclerotia in some of the jars :s
I find the info about using sclerotia as medicine for patients fascinating. I took a 15g (fresh) tea of galindoi ATL when I had a bad back. Felt like I had broken it again. And I made a miraculous recovery. I am sold on the idea that sclerotia and other fungi have healing powers, but cant face tripping my balls off on a regular basis. But I see it is possible to use smaller regular doses to avoid tripping balls yet benefit medically. + respect for helping out those patients.
on the bulk sub I would think coir verm and possibly something else for extra nutes. to a sub depth of around 4-6 inch would work wanders. The verm might get messy come harvest, but would wash off under a tap if needs be?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: chronicdruid]
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: chronicdruid]
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I'll have to break out the brick of coir I've been toting around for 10 years now.. always been looking for a reason to use it.. ha ha..
I was wondering if you could pasteurize 10lbs of pre-soaked oats and do a 1:1 mix and see what it comes forward with.. I know when the mycelium is happy it eats like nothing I've ever seen.. even beating out oysters.. the oats would probably contam though.. who knows, I'm gonna give her hell, got nothing to lose..
On a side note to your back pain relief. I had one person who was doing a daily low dose after experiencing total pain relief in some vietnam war wounds.. he stated his normal wake up routine would stretch into 3-4 hours trying to unbind his damaged muscles and nerves.. the day following his first low dose, he said he was able to pretty much bound out of bed and run off into his day, feeling like he was 20 again.. he continues to do threshhold doses with much the same effects(some days better than others).. I didn't want to mention this painrelief alleviation... because it starts to sound like I'm toting snake oil.... Devilstone's Magic Elixer.. Cures gout, rheumatism, sterility and acne..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: chronicdruid]
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I find the info about using sclerotia as medicine for patients fascinating. I took a 15g (fresh) tea of galindoi ATL when I had a bad back. Felt like I had broken it again. And I made a miraculous recovery. I am sold on the idea that sclerotia and other fungi have healing powers, but cant face tripping my balls off on a regular basis. But I see it is possible to use smaller regular doses to avoid tripping balls yet benefit medically. + respect for helping out those patients.
Yeah, this is almost as cool as the cult thread itself. 
My take is that the sub-trip doses do pack the healing power as well. I don't do them that way, 'cause after all a day spent tripping adds to your life span several times over. But for the simple sort of "Damn I feel good!" effect small doses do work the trick, albeit IME with some fatigue afterward. Full on trips for me don't have that effect, it's all up. 
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Interesting reading got all my new nifty jar lids made to make some glc and get some bags going ! This stones thing seems like this is the way to go. Never really liked the cubes trip so hopefully this is what I am looking for thanks for all the great info !!
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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I harvested some ATL#7 stones a few weeks back. I saved the colonized grains in some sterile bags but I didn't have high hopes that they would survive since the grains were in the jars for over three months and dry and after being in open air for a while when I harvested the stones.
I haven't looked at the bags for a while but the other day I decided to look. To my surprise the grains were fuzzy again with mycelium and there was a little condensation in the bags I'm planning on spawning them to coir/verm/gypsum tonight. Hopefully it won't contam and I'll be able to test the idea of these "golfball sized stones" and be able to report on how the stones are with verm in the sub.
Also, all of the stones I harvested I cut up into small pieces and didn't find any WBS in them. I cut them up pretty small so I would have seen if there were grains inside of them. I did find some grains attached to the stones that took some rubbing to get off.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Wing]
#15505926 - 12/12/11 05:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's awesome on the leftovers experiment..
I gave a fried 12 jars of sclerotia at one month of age and told him to sit on them till he needed to eat a few, then harvest one at a time..
Well he waited three month, harvested everything(not sure why) but then on his own he soaked the grain for a couple hours, strained, then loaded them back into their jars.. sealed them off with the same filtered lids..
He told me what he'd done with the grain about a week later.. I kinda laughed at him for harvesting everything at once and that he should have staggered them out.. and that his grain will probably fall to bacteria in a week or two.. that was 6 months ago..
He just informed me he harvested them again, and got more weight in stones the second time around.. he lost one jar out of 12 to bacteria..
I think these things just want to keep on living..
I opened up a bag a month ago, just cut the top off and placed it in a sgfc fruiting chamber.. I mist it every 3 days or so.. It smells like heaven.. even more perfumed than the mycelium usually is, a denser smell.. no funkyness.. The top pretty much hardpanned, I wasn't expecting fruits all that much.. just wanted to see what it would do. The stones are growing larger on the side of the bag that aren't exposed to the surface at all.. I think the hardpanning has sealed off the lower environment and it's now just feeding off my misting and open air exchange..
Once this stuff is colonized I think you'd have to scrub it down with trichoderma spores to maybe get an infection..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15505952 - 12/12/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder if you mixed a 50/50 Cubensis Spawn/sclerotia spawn, what you'd come up with..
I'm sure there would be a resource competition, but it might be like getting the best of both worlds.. mix of fruits and stones.. maybe even a little trichoderma protection too..
I'm gonna give it a go on the next pasteurization cycle..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15506112 - 12/12/11 05:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The idea that the jar could go on replenishing itself is very appealing. I wonder about moisture content though, after the first harvest how would you replace the lost moisture?? Re-soak?Wouldn't the mycelium get lost in the soak water after you dumped it out? Guess not, after what you said about your friend straining the grain.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink] 1
#15506148 - 12/12/11 05:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya, he just strained the grain.. he's not a mycofile at all either.. just a tripper that wanted a stash.. so he had no clue what he was doing.. even if the surface mycelium washes off the grain is still infected internally..
I pretty much strictly do GLC with all my sclerotia species.. and the grain jar I use for my masters gets shot up with 120cc of sterilized distilled water, shaken, then I extract 60cc to do water expansions with.. I then take the used master grain jars and invert them - letting the excess water just drain out the top filter(tyvex).. I'd say 90% of my master jars fully recover and produce stones after this point.. I let them drain for 3 days and then replace back on the shelves for future harvests/gift jars.. if for some reason the jars can't drain it all and it becomes overhydrated the mycelium just tends to get real corky in touch and appearance and doesn't produce stones (6months of waiting) but still retains its mycelial smell..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
#15506216 - 12/12/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mixing together spawn would be interesting. I would assume you might get some stones and some cube fruits. Definitely wouldn't get a hybrid. You would probably see two distinct mycelium types since I don't think they would merge into one network. If Trich did take hold I would bet it would be on the cube part since some (if not all) sclerotia producers are said to be more contam resistant.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Wing]
#15510721 - 12/13/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everything you do amazes me. Your grow method, your concern and creativity for marketing it, using it to help people and just generally your love for sclerotia. Keep us posted on whatever you do.
I'm considering to put up a website dedicated only to sclerotia, to share how easy they are to grow, how beautiful they are to trip (marketing) and discuss medical benefits. What do you guys think about that?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: F64]
#15511741 - 12/13/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Devilstone, have you ever tried storing fresh sclerotia by vacuum sealing and then placing in the fridge?
That's one option I'm considering (I love my vacuum sealer).
However since fresh sclerotia is technically still live mycelium, I'm wondering if cutting off all air supply will do it more harm than good.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
#15512552 - 12/13/11 08:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The vacuum sealing seems to be the way the heads shops sell them in Holland.. though they only claim 30 days of shelf life refrigerated. I've seen several reviews and posts stating they lasted longer for people, but I'm sure most people are consuming them before 30 days if you're buying them fresh ..
I haven't tried much in fresh storage, other than the revolving bag I have in the fridge door.. open sandwich baggie rolled up in the dairy door.. next to the batteries.. there are fresh looking stones that are at least 9 months old.. looking same as the day they went in.. the main problem that seems to attack them is condensation.. once every two weeks, wipe them off with a paper towel and put them back in the fridge..
I'll be honest though, I've not been disappointed with dry stones. Other than marketability.
I recently made some IceCubeTray chocolates, 4grams dried/powdered stones stirred in with melted chocolate.. 4grams dried I'd consider to be a moderate dose, somewhere between level 1 & 2.. gave them out to some friends, all 12 cubes.. everybody took them to the bar and split them 4 ways each.. from what I hear the bar will never out-do what happened there that night.. feedback reports from my buddies told me they should of split the chocolates into 10 pieces.. I'm a little worried about the 8gram chocolates I made now..
Another nice thing about stones... a pound of stones dried fits into a quart size baggie.. that's pimp. Try to fit a pound of dried cubies in a quart bag.. fuck try to fit a large B+ in a quart baggie.. You need a small duffle bag for a elbow of cubies.. dried stones are portable and not fragile.. put into a box of GrapeNuts.. they are invisible..
OooRah fucking stones..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15521138 - 12/15/11 02:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have the monotub colonizing. I will post a link to a growlog when i have enough pics and info for it to be relevant.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#16364666 - 06/11/12 06:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Love this thread, thanks a bunch devilstone.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Merkabah]
#18541627 - 07/10/13 09:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello,
I loved reading this thread. I've grown my first batch of ATL out to six months now. I was especially intrigued with the quoted reference of how someone cased the jar of stones early on, that's interesting.
I am not sure going for pea sized stones is worth it to me: they would mix in with my rye berries too much. What I did is after buying the spore print initially, I looked for the fastest bag of growth (this was hard to tell because several of them did great), and then within that I looked for the biggest stones. I then did some G2G transfers by slicing up that stone and putting it in rye berry quart jars. These all worked.
I dried them all after that, but then realized my mistake when I wanted to make a LC out of the same big (now dried) sclerotia piece.
I can report two of my jars of six did form master liquid cultures, so it is not impossible. This may be a way to really elongate one's need for a spore print if one freezes dried sclerotia then can bring it back via a LC, I don't know.
So these G2G jars are two months in and really look good so far. One thing I can report is that I live in the third floor of an apartment complex, and these jars have been at 76º for 12 hours but then at 86º for the rest of the time while I'm at work during this summer: they are still doing ok.
One question I have is: I did a G2G transfer of a large sclerotia between a few jars. Will these jars be outright clones, or is there enough variation within that large sclerotia to warrant me islolating the best sclerotia formations of those jars again? Thanks.
PS. Oh yeah, I also harvested some cubensis Amazons, and these seem more potent to me. But I harvested my sclerotia I grew from spores at 3.5 months so... Anyway, from from being spiritual and studying enlightenment for so long my tolerance to shrooms is very low: I can trip for 6 days straight and repeat it. I have done this.
One hypothesis of mine is that the potency of my shrooms may be based upon light energy, and I wonder if the sclerotia jars were given some good 6500k light a day if that would increase potency.
I would also like to hear more experience reports of people as to the sclerotia versus the same strain's mushrooms, since these have captured light.
I'll be trying 6 month old ATL sclerotia come August 1st, so we'll see!
I do like ATL over the Amazons because it's not as unruly: it's always balanced. However the Amazon's potency I like as well after I've done them a few days in a row.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Hadit]
#18541994 - 07/10/13 11:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Freezing will kill them SFAIK unless you use flash freezing into liquid nitrogen or a similar method. Refrigeration should keep them and people have resurrected myc from dried fruits often enough. I like the pick-the-biggest-stones-and-propagate method. 
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18915238 - 10/01/13 09:26 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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is it possible to blend some sclerotias with water to make some glc liquid?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: woodylover]
#18917117 - 10/01/13 04:32 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sterilize a blender unit....sure.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Javadog]
#18918486 - 10/01/13 09:39 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Posting to check back later
Good thread 
BTW: anyone ever try Growing sclerotia of record breaking size?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18999655 - 10/19/13 12:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread is amazing!
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#27001575 - 10/24/20 05:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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This has been such a helpful and inspiring post. If you happen to be online, I would love your input on something. I'm harvesting right now and though my bags looked pretty much like yours, everything that's coming out is soft and mushy. I feel like I should be hunting for hard stones in here but there are none. Am I looking/feeling for the right thing?
This is my first time so it could be that my experiment just hasn't gone all that well.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Merlita]
#27001589 - 10/24/20 05:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread is 8 years old. Stones aren’t guaranteed as some cultures stone up while others don’t. Check this active thread for more info: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22527453/page/4/fpart/1
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