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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Javadog]
#15484985 - 12/08/11 09:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, so question for everyone..
I noticed a post last night on expanding the mycelium after the first harvest of stones into a larger bin with a bulk sub with the intent of just producing more stones from the bulk sub..
Post Reference: Growing Sclerotia of record breaking size in particular this post by fungi:
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I get lots of sclerotia bigger than golfballs after spawning my grain jars to coir/vermiculite. I like to spawn them as soon as the jars have colonized. I don't try to fruit the sub, I just leave the lid on the tub and put it away. They grow 5x faster this way. Golfball sized sclerotia can grow in around a month. The substrate will develop cracks all over it from the stones growing. If the subs seem a little dry after a few weeks I dunk them.
When I'm ready to harvest, I just wash my hands, and dig out the stones. Then I pack the substrate back down in the tub, give it a good watering, and put it away again. You can get several flushes of stones this way. I don't know about other strains, but ATL#7 is crazy resistant to contaminants. I've never had a contaminant show up in my sclerotia tubs
I've been dumping the subs outside after 3 or 4 flushes. I've got ATL#7 fruits popping up all over my yard now, and I've even dug through the old subs and found tons more big sclerotia.
Leaving them in grain jars for 6+ months is for the birds IMO. Anyone who has doubts, please just try this with one or two jars. I promise you will be amazed.
My question is, has anyone done this, and what bulk sub are you using to harvest stones from.. I've dumped several harvested spawn sacks into manure with intent to fruit.. they devoured the manure in half the time it took cubies spawned on the same day.. but I'm pretty damn confident I'm not going to be chomping a stone pulled from a sack of manure..
Who's eating stones from bulk subs? And what's your analysis of the interior of the stones from those subs..?
I have no doubt I'm eating some grain from harvesting stones grown in grain.. I can deal with this.. but I'm curious on the expansion and the subs used to do it..
Thanks..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15485147 - 12/08/11 10:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've left harvest tubs after harvesting, still full of colonized grain.. placed the lids on top(loose fitting plastic bin lids) and left them for over a month...
Cobweb took over the tops of several, couple took on a bacterial contam from high moisture, and some colonized solid but seemed to have lost most of their water content and died off or went severely dormant. None of these bins were cared for in any way and they were left untouched for at least 30 days... it seems that above 8" of depth was the smothering point and bacteria started to win out..
If they had been spawned to something they probably all would of made it through with extra nutes and water..
Never checked for stones in the bins, just added them all to the compost pile.. lots and lots of happy chipmunks this year..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15485239 - 12/08/11 11:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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you could try it more shallow
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
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loved reading through this. hats off to Devil stone. love to see such a nice write up. + rep
been playing around with sclerotia species for a little while now myself, and have been trying to get a good mex A culture for ova a year now XD I have jars of mex A that may have to get harvested for christmas :P but they are forming some strange looking sclerotia in some of the jars :s
I find the info about using sclerotia as medicine for patients fascinating. I took a 15g (fresh) tea of galindoi ATL when I had a bad back. Felt like I had broken it again. And I made a miraculous recovery. I am sold on the idea that sclerotia and other fungi have healing powers, but cant face tripping my balls off on a regular basis. But I see it is possible to use smaller regular doses to avoid tripping balls yet benefit medically. + respect for helping out those patients.
on the bulk sub I would think coir verm and possibly something else for extra nutes. to a sub depth of around 4-6 inch would work wanders. The verm might get messy come harvest, but would wash off under a tap if needs be?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: chronicdruid]
#15491248 - 12/09/11 02:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: chronicdruid]
#15491273 - 12/09/11 02:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll have to break out the brick of coir I've been toting around for 10 years now.. always been looking for a reason to use it.. ha ha..
I was wondering if you could pasteurize 10lbs of pre-soaked oats and do a 1:1 mix and see what it comes forward with.. I know when the mycelium is happy it eats like nothing I've ever seen.. even beating out oysters.. the oats would probably contam though.. who knows, I'm gonna give her hell, got nothing to lose..
On a side note to your back pain relief. I had one person who was doing a daily low dose after experiencing total pain relief in some vietnam war wounds.. he stated his normal wake up routine would stretch into 3-4 hours trying to unbind his damaged muscles and nerves.. the day following his first low dose, he said he was able to pretty much bound out of bed and run off into his day, feeling like he was 20 again.. he continues to do threshhold doses with much the same effects(some days better than others).. I didn't want to mention this painrelief alleviation... because it starts to sound like I'm toting snake oil.... Devilstone's Magic Elixer.. Cures gout, rheumatism, sterility and acne..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: chronicdruid]
#15491408 - 12/09/11 03:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find the info about using sclerotia as medicine for patients fascinating. I took a 15g (fresh) tea of galindoi ATL when I had a bad back. Felt like I had broken it again. And I made a miraculous recovery. I am sold on the idea that sclerotia and other fungi have healing powers, but cant face tripping my balls off on a regular basis. But I see it is possible to use smaller regular doses to avoid tripping balls yet benefit medically. + respect for helping out those patients.
Yeah, this is almost as cool as the cult thread itself. 
My take is that the sub-trip doses do pack the healing power as well. I don't do them that way, 'cause after all a day spent tripping adds to your life span several times over. But for the simple sort of "Damn I feel good!" effect small doses do work the trick, albeit IME with some fatigue afterward. Full on trips for me don't have that effect, it's all up. 
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15501935 - 12/11/11 09:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting reading got all my new nifty jar lids made to make some glc and get some bags going ! This stones thing seems like this is the way to go. Never really liked the cubes trip so hopefully this is what I am looking for thanks for all the great info !!
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15504954 - 12/12/11 01:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I harvested some ATL#7 stones a few weeks back. I saved the colonized grains in some sterile bags but I didn't have high hopes that they would survive since the grains were in the jars for over three months and dry and after being in open air for a while when I harvested the stones.
I haven't looked at the bags for a while but the other day I decided to look. To my surprise the grains were fuzzy again with mycelium and there was a little condensation in the bags I'm planning on spawning them to coir/verm/gypsum tonight. Hopefully it won't contam and I'll be able to test the idea of these "golfball sized stones" and be able to report on how the stones are with verm in the sub.
Also, all of the stones I harvested I cut up into small pieces and didn't find any WBS in them. I cut them up pretty small so I would have seen if there were grains inside of them. I did find some grains attached to the stones that took some rubbing to get off.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Wing]
#15505926 - 12/12/11 05:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's awesome on the leftovers experiment..
I gave a fried 12 jars of sclerotia at one month of age and told him to sit on them till he needed to eat a few, then harvest one at a time..
Well he waited three month, harvested everything(not sure why) but then on his own he soaked the grain for a couple hours, strained, then loaded them back into their jars.. sealed them off with the same filtered lids..
He told me what he'd done with the grain about a week later.. I kinda laughed at him for harvesting everything at once and that he should have staggered them out.. and that his grain will probably fall to bacteria in a week or two.. that was 6 months ago..
He just informed me he harvested them again, and got more weight in stones the second time around.. he lost one jar out of 12 to bacteria..
I think these things just want to keep on living..
I opened up a bag a month ago, just cut the top off and placed it in a sgfc fruiting chamber.. I mist it every 3 days or so.. It smells like heaven.. even more perfumed than the mycelium usually is, a denser smell.. no funkyness.. The top pretty much hardpanned, I wasn't expecting fruits all that much.. just wanted to see what it would do. The stones are growing larger on the side of the bag that aren't exposed to the surface at all.. I think the hardpanning has sealed off the lower environment and it's now just feeding off my misting and open air exchange..
Once this stuff is colonized I think you'd have to scrub it down with trichoderma spores to maybe get an infection..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15505952 - 12/12/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder if you mixed a 50/50 Cubensis Spawn/sclerotia spawn, what you'd come up with..
I'm sure there would be a resource competition, but it might be like getting the best of both worlds.. mix of fruits and stones.. maybe even a little trichoderma protection too..
I'm gonna give it a go on the next pasteurization cycle..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15506112 - 12/12/11 05:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The idea that the jar could go on replenishing itself is very appealing. I wonder about moisture content though, after the first harvest how would you replace the lost moisture?? Re-soak?Wouldn't the mycelium get lost in the soak water after you dumped it out? Guess not, after what you said about your friend straining the grain.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink] 1
#15506148 - 12/12/11 05:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya, he just strained the grain.. he's not a mycofile at all either.. just a tripper that wanted a stash.. so he had no clue what he was doing.. even if the surface mycelium washes off the grain is still infected internally..
I pretty much strictly do GLC with all my sclerotia species.. and the grain jar I use for my masters gets shot up with 120cc of sterilized distilled water, shaken, then I extract 60cc to do water expansions with.. I then take the used master grain jars and invert them - letting the excess water just drain out the top filter(tyvex).. I'd say 90% of my master jars fully recover and produce stones after this point.. I let them drain for 3 days and then replace back on the shelves for future harvests/gift jars.. if for some reason the jars can't drain it all and it becomes overhydrated the mycelium just tends to get real corky in touch and appearance and doesn't produce stones (6months of waiting) but still retains its mycelial smell..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
#15506216 - 12/12/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mixing together spawn would be interesting. I would assume you might get some stones and some cube fruits. Definitely wouldn't get a hybrid. You would probably see two distinct mycelium types since I don't think they would merge into one network. If Trich did take hold I would bet it would be on the cube part since some (if not all) sclerotia producers are said to be more contam resistant.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Wing]
#15510721 - 12/13/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everything you do amazes me. Your grow method, your concern and creativity for marketing it, using it to help people and just generally your love for sclerotia. Keep us posted on whatever you do.
I'm considering to put up a website dedicated only to sclerotia, to share how easy they are to grow, how beautiful they are to trip (marketing) and discuss medical benefits. What do you guys think about that?
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: F64]
#15511741 - 12/13/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Devilstone, have you ever tried storing fresh sclerotia by vacuum sealing and then placing in the fridge?
That's one option I'm considering (I love my vacuum sealer).
However since fresh sclerotia is technically still live mycelium, I'm wondering if cutting off all air supply will do it more harm than good.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
#15512552 - 12/13/11 08:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The vacuum sealing seems to be the way the heads shops sell them in Holland.. though they only claim 30 days of shelf life refrigerated. I've seen several reviews and posts stating they lasted longer for people, but I'm sure most people are consuming them before 30 days if you're buying them fresh ..
I haven't tried much in fresh storage, other than the revolving bag I have in the fridge door.. open sandwich baggie rolled up in the dairy door.. next to the batteries.. there are fresh looking stones that are at least 9 months old.. looking same as the day they went in.. the main problem that seems to attack them is condensation.. once every two weeks, wipe them off with a paper towel and put them back in the fridge..
I'll be honest though, I've not been disappointed with dry stones. Other than marketability.
I recently made some IceCubeTray chocolates, 4grams dried/powdered stones stirred in with melted chocolate.. 4grams dried I'd consider to be a moderate dose, somewhere between level 1 & 2.. gave them out to some friends, all 12 cubes.. everybody took them to the bar and split them 4 ways each.. from what I hear the bar will never out-do what happened there that night.. feedback reports from my buddies told me they should of split the chocolates into 10 pieces.. I'm a little worried about the 8gram chocolates I made now..
Another nice thing about stones... a pound of stones dried fits into a quart size baggie.. that's pimp. Try to fit a pound of dried cubies in a quart bag.. fuck try to fit a large B+ in a quart baggie.. You need a small duffle bag for a elbow of cubies.. dried stones are portable and not fragile.. put into a box of GrapeNuts.. they are invisible..
OooRah fucking stones..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15521138 - 12/15/11 02:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have the monotub colonizing. I will post a link to a growlog when i have enough pics and info for it to be relevant.
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