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The Influence
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15372473 - 11/15/11 12:44 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Beautiful and encouraging man. Nice job
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PinsWellWithOthers
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So here is an interesting question. We all know indirect light effects growth when colonizing but how much indirect light can a stone producer handle until it is too much? Perhaps more then cubes? Maybe this will encourage larger stones like brighter light encourages larger caps?
Edited by PinsWellWithOthers (11/15/11 12:50 AM)
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wildernessjunkie
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15372492 - 11/15/11 12:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you spawn all of that grain?
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devilstone
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#15372513 - 11/15/11 12:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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my steam pasteurizer can't keep up with me, but between me, it and the compost pile we keep a good balance going... I do have a psychedelic chipmunk problem though..
PinsWell - I've never thought of light effects on stone production.. I have a couple different stages of growth going, I'm going to select out a few of each and put them in some good diffused natural lighting.. I'll post back on that one..
These stones stay in the dark most of the time.. listening to public radio.. good public radio though... eclectic shit..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15380282 - 11/16/11 04:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've placed a couple bags from each isolation in diffused sunlight.. will let them sit a few months.. no major temp changes in the move..
I also clipped the top of a bag off and placed the bottom portion(stone cake) in a terrarium and introduced to fruiting conditions.. see if it will produce fruits..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15472392 - 12/05/11 11:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm very glad I caught this thread. Starting the 30day countdown to 6mth harvest of my Galindoi jars...  That's a good amount of time to locate that mesh screen. Thanks for posting!
   
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
#15472567 - 12/05/11 11:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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DAMN MAN!!! you have some good shit goin on! love the 3 electro A941s!!!!!
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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: slapphappypill]
#15473451 - 12/06/11 07:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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ebay did me right on those AA75x sterilizers... all 3 for less than $600.. took 3 months of waiting and watching.. worth their weight in gold for stone production...
-------------------- devilstone
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15473461 - 12/06/11 07:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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PinsWellWithOthers
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15473606 - 12/06/11 08:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by PinsWellWithOthers (03/07/12 10:36 AM)
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markalbob
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this looks SO much easier.....maybe i should find a culture for stones instead of repeatedly trying to re-hydrate my old orissa print that has been pissing me off......very cool.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: markalbob]
#15473824 - 12/06/11 09:40 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm still amazed that this post hasn't have a few hundred replies by now! Hehe between you and stonesun, I've been inspired to go with stone growing after I move and get a basement again!
-------------------- We think we have freedom, but we're all just mice in a maze....
FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!
I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: slapphappypill]
#15473938 - 12/06/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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so, am i missing anything here?
Stone pros: easier than fruiting, tastier and less nausea in some reports, similar potencies Stone cons: take longer
Shroom pros: some folks want to see the fruit, not all species stone Shroom cons: can be harder to fruit than to grow sclerotia, taste worse
right now, it just looks like stones taste better, they might be less likely to make you nauseous, they're less work, and they do the same damn thing--what am I missing?
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Wants: Blewitt, stone-producer print
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: markalbob]
#15473956 - 12/06/11 10:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some strains of stone producers are not very good fruiters so getting a fresh print to start over from time to time could be a challenge depending on the strain. The 'takes longer' part also will reflect the amount of product produced because in a 3 months time you could produce a shit ton of cubes or half as many stones. The up side of this little fact is bags of spawn take up less room and are less needy then cubes. I think it probably comes down to 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
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Just got a print of Ps. Tampanensis and am going to try and fruit it.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: markalbob] 1
#15474311 - 12/06/11 11:37 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
markalbob said: so, am i missing anything here?
Stone pros: easier than fruiting, tastier and less nausea in some reports, similar potencies Stone cons: take longer
Shroom pros: some folks want to see the fruit, not all species stone Shroom cons: can be harder to fruit than to grow sclerotia, taste worse
right now, it just looks like stones taste better, they might be less likely to make you nauseous, they're less work, and they do the same damn thing--what am I missing?
On the pros: Stealth grow conditions...big plus in some situations.
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devilstone
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: Fishermanj]
#15474464 - 12/06/11 12:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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More pros:
Less vectors for contamination.. If you can sterilize grain and do GLC's.. your done.. no pasteurizing mishaps, flies, or gnats..
No babysitting, temp checking, moisture level worries.. Completely stealth especially if you attach a couple alibis to your operation with a couple gourmet varieties.. the average person is easily mystified by oysters and wouldn't think twice about your bags of colonizing stones..
No tubs, no lengthy cleanups and all contaminations are contained in the spawn bags to be easily disposed of..
CONS: 0% marketability... might as well try to sell people a pill that causes cancer first.. it would be easier.. unless something major puts a wide range of knowledge to the general public, these will never really be a bulk operation that would cover any costs..
Takes up space.. the more ya grow, the more ya gotta give room to.. On a typical 5 shelf rubbermaid storage shelf I can fit 60 colonizing 5lb bags.. in a 200square feet room with narrow walkways between shelves you could fit over 1500 bags..
While, there is no doubt you can turn and burn cubensis every 4-6 weeks, it is a ton more work involved, from bulk substrate movement, pasteurizing, temp and humidity regulation, lighting, etc etc..
200 bags of cubie spawn from start to finish would take me: 4days grain prep, 1day inoculation, 5 days substrate prep, 1 day to birth, multiple days for harvest/drying.. (my growing area is chock full of nasties so I'd lose 10-20% in the process) Each bag average 6oz dry when spawned to a cubic foot of spawn, 200 x 6oz roughly 75lbs dry but with my high contam rate 60-65lbs dry.. maybe..
200 bags of Stones from start to finish: 4days grain prep, 1 day inoculation, 2 days of harvest.. Might lose a bag or two to freak accidents.. my bags are consistently pulling 400-600grams fresh, dried to 100-200grams dried.. 100grams X 200bags 20000grams(roughly 44lbs)
I'm not trying to hard code the actual harvest weights, just estimates/experiences that I've been going off of.. this is not a hobby where you count your chickens before they hatch..
I love seeing a big cubie flush.. but on a small scale.. watching your grow room turn green because of one tiny mistake is a bitch.. I hate losing my work..
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: devilstone]
#15474498 - 12/06/11 12:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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devilstone said: CONS: 0% marketability... might as well try to sell people a pill that causes cancer first.. it would be easier.. unless something major puts a wide range of knowledge to the general public, these will never really be a bulk operation that would cover any costs..
 Trying to figure out ways around this myself. You mentioned honey. I'm also thinking chocolates (more work, more costs ) or gelcaps. Still, as a consumer myself I'm wary if I can't see the actual mushroom... more people need to be informed about the awesomeness of sclerotia.
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SWEET POTATO HOME FRIES
HOW TO USE A PENIS ENVY SPORE SWAB
... Oh mighty masticator, salivator, vocalizer, swallower, licker biter sucker brow-knitter looker blinker rubbernecker thumber prodder up-yours fingerer ringwearer nosepicker waver drinker armlifter bodybender hipswiveler kneer springer runner ZERO::::::::OOOOOOOOO:::::::: RUN!!!
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
#15474526 - 12/06/11 12:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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SKrink said:
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devilstone said: CONS: 0% marketability... might as well try to sell people a pill that causes cancer first.. it would be easier.. unless something major puts a wide range of knowledge to the general public, these will never really be a bulk operation that would cover any costs..
 Trying to figure out ways around this myself. You mentioned honey. I'm also thinking chocolates (more work, more costs ) or gelcaps. Still, as a consumer myself I'm wary if I can't see the actual mushroom... more people need to be informed about the awesomeness of sclerotia.
Ok, let me preface this by saying it's not something I would do myself (selling that is), but all one would have to do is to give away a few pounds in gel caps in your market to get the word out...call them powdered magic truffles. I bet from there on, people would get it.
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Re: Sclerotia Harvest - P. Galindoi ATL Golden Nuggets [Re: SKrink]
#15474547 - 12/06/11 12:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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On the honey, I powdered some dried stones through a coffee grinder and put 2 grams + 10cc warm honey into a 6mil 5"long 2" wide poly tubing (ULINE) impulse sealed on both ends with all air squeezed out.. for 3 months they were awesome, tight, concealed, easily labeled, carried, eaten ..yada yada yada.. at the 3 month mark I started to get complaints about potency loss, at 4months none of the packets I tried would produce effects anymore.. this was tested against 5000 packets..
I think the powdering severely added to the potency loss. Maybe drying and packaging them unground in the honey would preserve better, but I haven't gone back to try.. drying and making tea with them is my favorite method..
Everclear tinctures are great too and easily accepted by most anyone for a "dose" of shrooms.. but, processing in large scale would probably require you to learn how to make moonshine in your garage.. there is a alkaloid loss in the process..
I have fresh stones in the fridge that are on 8 months with no signs of anything wrong.. they are just rolled up loosely in a sandwich baggie.
-------------------- devilstone
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