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The Lightning
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Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment
#15366309 - 11/13/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nov 13, 2011 Thurston/WA
Clear cut (previous logging site)
Found in clusters with a few others a little spaced out here and there.
Cap Notes: Gelatinous, separable pellicle and hygrophanous cap. Consistently umbonate, conical caps. Caps form vertical line formation while fresh. The margin is jagged versus smooth-edged.
Medium brown to light brown gills.
Gills (very technically speaking) are attached to the stipe.
No blue-bruising observed before, during, or after harvest on any of the specimens. I will go back tomorrow to investigate a new collection. Updated: Very, very minimal bluing observed in only 2 of about 40 specimens in very, very small areas near the base of the stem. Little chunks of the stems were fractured off for this to occur.
Spore print: Light in deposit. Difficult to be confident in. I would say brown at first but not solid brown. After taking almost a dozen prints, I would say brown.
Spores: Eliptical (maybe lemon-shaped)
What makes matters more confusing is the presence of pleurocystidia.
Edited by The Lightning (11/14/11 03:49 AM)
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15366337 - 11/13/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look scarily like Galerina to my untrained eyes. Obv the print is purple-brown, though...
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: elprawn]
#15366357 - 11/13/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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some of those look like mycena to me
did you do spore prints?
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: HarryL]
#15366420 - 11/13/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm doing additional spore prints right now on glass so I can see if the color shows up better. So far I'd say its somewhat brown (Its honestly difficult to distinguish).
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15366545 - 11/13/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe hunting for pelliculosa isn't such a good idea seeing as how much they look like galerina.
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15366548 - 11/13/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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you really need to work on your printing. you never seem to get good prints for some reason .
where do you do your prints ?
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Quote:
psylosymonreturns said: where do you do your prints ?
On the way home, in the car wash. He keeps the windows open to stop the mushroom from drying out.
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The Lightning
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I agree. I'm going to get colored paper to try this in the future for new collections.
Usually, I just put them on white typing paper or on a glass slide - sometimes on tinfoil. The mushrooms I've been hunting recently have rather small caps, thus small spore prints.
I have a cap on a smooth black surface and about ten more caps on a glass dish - hopefully this will give us a definitive answer. I'll try to include a photograph soon.
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Looks like an exact lookalike of pelliculosa to me. but the margin is usaually not jagged. and the spores are too brown. could you post a pic of the print?
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The Lightning
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Quote:
maynardjameskeenan said: Maybe hunting for pelliculosa isn't such a good idea seeing as how much they look like galerina.
Maybe this thread and others will prevent confusion in the future if we keeping pushing forward.
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15366634 - 11/13/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would post some pictures of some, but i was out of town for the season and came back to snow
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15366664 - 11/13/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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you should always print the small species in a cold enviroment . the longer you can keep the cap moist, the more likely you are going to succeed in getting a dark definetive print from a species like P peliculosa . I have had to find a way since i do pick tiny species like P peliculosa , C cyanopus and P semilanceata.
using a wet q tip to moisten the cap periodically really helps as well.
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The Lightning
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Interesting. What I do sometimes is place a tupperware container upside down ontop of the cap, or a similar humidity-preserving dome.
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15366743 - 11/13/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are the gills attached to the stipe?
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15366750 - 11/13/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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naw. you have to do that EVERY time. i should have mentioned covering them, but thats common practice anyways so i didnt mention it.
do what i suggested and you will get better prints from small, quickly dryed, species.
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: novictimnocrime]
#15366766 - 11/13/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
novictimnocrime said: Are the gills attached to the stipe?
Technically, yes.
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15366809 - 11/13/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm 95% sure that's Psilocybe Pelliculosa
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: novictimnocrime]
#15366882 - 11/13/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was in that same area looking for pelliculosa and edibles today. (probably the same forest) All I came across where boatloads of Hypholoma, galerina, and other various species in the clear cuts. Nice find, if those are pelliculosa. If I seen those I definately would have picked them to identify, however I've never found them before.
Edited by Shmigoli (11/13/11 09:40 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: Shmigoli]
#15366961 - 11/13/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's definitely a cool mushroom, and everything in me is telling me its Psilocybe pelliculosa.
Below: A couple more images. Two of the mushrooms now appear to have bluing in very small areas that cannot be photographed. The spore prints taken on glass appear to have a lavender quality within the brown color.
I would not call this a purple-brown spore print. I would call it a spore print that may require magnification beyond 3x in good lighting. I would also say magnification is needed for bluing in some collections.
Edited by The Lightning (11/14/11 03:34 AM)
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Re: Psilocybe pelliculosa hunters please comment [Re: The Lightning]
#15367200 - 11/13/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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the print on paper looks good to me. and i do see the blueing!
if you can measure spore size it would be cool to see if you have any P silvatica in there..
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