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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me.
    #1536471 - 05/10/03 06:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)


Thu, 08 May 2003

Pot legalization case rehashes familiar ground

Don Martin
Calgary Herald

It was unsettling on a personal level to be in court listening to pleas for amnesty on charges of marijuana possession.

Last time that happened, I was the accused.

The Supreme Court of Canada is being asked to grant all dope smokers permanent relief from criminal prosecution.

Almost 30 years ago, in the Whitby District Court, I was pleading for much the same thing, albeit purely out of self-interest.

The cops nabbed me in a car outside my high school holding a small bag of pot which, I swear, belonged to the driver, who didn't garner us any police sympathy by hitting the accelerator and dragging two detectives 100 metres down the street before talk of guns being drawn squealed him to a full stop.

My father hired one of Toronto's top criminal lawyers to ensure his troublesome teenager would be spared a career-limiting criminal record from a simple possession charge.

The judge looked down at my lawyer, who had recently gained media fame defending a double axe murderer, checked the docket on his desk and peered over his glasses.

"You're aware, sir, this is a possession charge?"

Well, the whole thing lasted 15 minutes.

It was an open and shut case, a bust ironically coming the day AFTER my 18th birthday, which should've found me drinking to my age of majority in a bar instead of smoking up in a car.

The strategy of hiring high-priced talent quickly backfired.

The judge viewed the case as a silver-spooned kid -- hardly -- trying to buy himself a scot-free sentence.

He dismissed the case saying he didn't give discharges to anyone, registered the guilty verdict and called on the next pot-sized criminal to step forward for immediate conviction.

That would never do, figured my ego-bruised lawyer.

He appealed the judge's decision and found a merciful alternative to grant me a conditional discharge.

It cost my father thousands of inflation-adjusted dollars and I promptly forgot to apply for a pardon, which is required to permanently erase the record.

Which bring us to the Supreme Court this week where the nation's, um, highest legal minds are finally studying the right question at the worst possible time, a push for court-ordered legalization just weeks before a decriminalization bill is scheduled for introduction in Parliament.

In a startling bout of deja vu, the court's pot proponents were still using the LeDain Commission findings to back their case, the same 1970 federal report recommending the removal of marijuana possession as a crime my lawyer used in 1974.

Finding it incredulous the former law school dean's report was still the definitive dope on decriminalization, I interrupted Gerald LeDain's peaceful retirement in Ottawa to chat.

After identifying myself, LeDain hung up the phone.

I called back to assure him I wasn't flogging newspaper subscriptions, just seeking his updated views on the pot legalization question.

He hung up again.

You can't really blame him for being cranky.

The guy's been the godfather of legal grass for more than three decades.

It's time for another credible voice to carry on the crusade.

And they sure weren't in the Supreme Court on Tuesday.

The Justice Department lawyer opposing legalization acted suitably dour, moralizing on the detrimental health consequences and detection difficulties linked to cannabis, an odd line of attack for a department aiming to decriminalize a supposedly benign narcotic this year.

But he delivered a more coherent view than the colourful pot activist defence team -- one who was dressed in hemp and admittedly abuzz on hash.

Most of their legal positions left the justices unimpressed and argumentative as they poked numerous holes in the submissions.

Still, it was the same old rehash all 'round.

Casual use can lead to chronic use in some cases, the government argued, as if there's any other route to take.

Cannabis causes no harm to the person and defies the "rationality" and "reasonableness" litmus tests for constitutional law, insisted the other.

Seemingly disconnected from the evidence was anyone pointing out the lunacy of starting a legal challenge now when the Senate, a House of Commons committee, the justice minister, the prime minister and the next prime minister all agree decriminalization is overdue and imminent.

While the high court and politicians potato-toss legal responsibility, the practical reasons to act quickly to end reefer madness are overshadowed.

It's about restoring the focus of law enforcement, which can't even keep track of growing operations, according to a new RCMP report, on hard drugs and hard crime.

It's about ending a persecution which creates criminals out of young, mostly law-abiding citizens at a rate of five convictions per hour.

And at the risk of taking it personally, it's about getting rid of my grass-stained record. But that's just about me -- and 600,000 other Canadians.



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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1536686 - 05/10/03 11:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I read that yesterday! Good article. Lots of articles about legalizing pot in the Herald and even in the Sun. Gotta love Canada.

How does one get a pardon?


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1536902 - 05/10/03 01:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:


While the high court and politicians potato-toss legal responsibility, the practical reasons to act quickly to end reefer madness are overshadowed.

It's about restoring the focus of law enforcement, which can't even keep track of growing operations, according to a new RCMP report, on hard drugs and hard crime.

It's about ending a persecution which creates criminals out of young, mostly law-abiding citizens at a rate of five convictions per hour.

And at the risk of taking it personally, it's about getting rid of my grass-stained record. But that's just about me -- and 600,000 other Canadians.



My views in a nut shell.


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: pattern]
    #1536962 - 05/10/03 02:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1537012 - 05/10/03 02:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You nutjobs actually think pot should be legalized?

Do you think the government makes pot illegal for the hell of it?

Adjust your tinfoil hat and think again.

Beam me up Scotty.



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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: Learyfan]
    #1537297 - 05/10/03 05:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know but maybe I've been gone just a little to long. Leary, that WAS a joke; right?


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OfflineDailyPot
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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: Learyfan]
    #1537323 - 05/10/03 06:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

You nutjobs actually think pot should be legalized?

Do you think the government makes pot illegal for the hell of it?

Adjust your tinfoil hat and think again.

Beam me up Scotty.



No, they did it cuz they're ignorant bastards.
Yes we think pot should be legal. You think we post pot should be legal for the hell of it :wink:
I couldn't help but notice you said the samething about LSD. So you're the new anti-drug guy on the drug boards?
Enlighten us since I can feel your intellect dripping thru the computer screen. Why did the government make it illegal?


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: Learyfan]
    #1537945 - 05/10/03 11:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

You nutjobs actually think pot should be legalized?

Do you think the government makes pot illegal for the hell of it?

Adjust your tinfoil hat and think again.

Beam me up Scotty.





LOL :grin:

Don't you know?  They ONLY lie about drugs, nothing else whatsoever.


Edited by Anonymous (05/10/03 11:26 PM)


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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: mr freedom]
    #1538187 - 05/11/03 01:07 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hehe, he was joking  :wink:


Edited by chodamunky (05/11/03 01:11 AM)


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: DailyPot]
    #1538511 - 05/11/03 04:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That post was pure sarcasm poking fun at one of the more mentally challenged people who frequents this forum....


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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: DailyPot]
    #1538528 - 05/11/03 05:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Uh, Yeah,
He was responding to me.


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Edited by carbonhoots (05/11/03 05:08 AM)


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: ]
    #1538762 - 05/11/03 11:25 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

That post was pure sarcasm poking fun at one of the more mentally challenged people who frequents this forum....



*feels stupid*


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: chodamunky]
    #1538917 - 05/11/03 01:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well I haven't been posting as much as I used to so I thought I'd ask. I would normaly assume Learyfan was joking haveing read/responded to his posts but I can't ignore that he may have been in a horrible accident and lost half his brain :laugh:


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: mr freedom]
    #1541720 - 05/12/03 02:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry for the confusion.

I was being sarcastic about keeping pot illegal.

I really am proud of all of you who fight for the right to allow humans to do with their bodies what they please.

Take the power back.



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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: Learyfan]
    #1541757 - 05/12/03 02:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Am i the only one pissed off about this?!

Decriminalization!....NOT legalisation!  Now they're gonna fine me!? as if i didn't have enough tickets from my car! :mad:

I think this should be the LEGALISATION of pot....and a few other things at least! :tongue:


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1542059 - 05/12/03 04:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think decriminalization would be more than fine. There is no reason you should get caught since you should use it in your house. And look, lucky you if you do get caught out of your house you wont get a criminal record or jail time :smile:


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Re: Pot decrim? Sounds fine to me. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1543670 - 05/13/03 01:24 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Decrim is the first step to legalization. Baby steps, guys. Baby steps.


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