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OfflineLearyfanS
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Bush's movements and actions on September 11th
    #1535237 - 05/09/03 06:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Click here to view the site

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So what did the Commander in Chief do with the knowledge that the United States was under attack?

He did nothing.

Bush did not say one word. He did not ask Card any questions. He did not give any orders. He did not know
who (or which country) was attacking, whether there would be more attacks, what military plans had been
taken, what military actions should be taken - indeed, he knew virtually nothing about what was going on
outside the room. He just sat there. Bush later recalled: "There was no time for discussion or anything."
Even stranger, as one newspaper put it, although the nation was under terrorist attack, "for some reason, Secret
Service agents [did] not bustle him away." [Globe and Mail, 9/12/01]





The reason Bush did nothing was because he knew exactly what was happening.




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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Learyfan]
    #1535254 - 05/09/03 06:29 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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The reason Bush did nothing was because he knew exactly what was happening.




EXACTLY! Glad to see that I'm not the only one that thinks so.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Rono]
    #1535531 - 05/09/03 08:22 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

There's no better or easier way to justify endless war than to have that beautifully perfect image of the towers falling. Just what them good ol' boys needed. Hooray for Bush. (His daddy and the Bin Ladens go waayyy back by the way.)


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Learyfan]
    #1535539 - 05/09/03 08:24 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

is this whole country just a bad fucking nightmare or what?!


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Learyfan]
    #1535674 - 05/09/03 09:29 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Great link. Reading through the record of the events of that day, it becomes crystal clear that either Bush knew what was going to happen ahead of time, or he (and his advisors, and the Secret Service, and practically everybody else in the government) is truly mentally retarded.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1535730 - 05/09/03 10:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

ANOTHER conspiracy theory post!

Just when I thought logic had prevailed...

I guess it was just a temporary breakdown of your carefully built "America is EVIL" wall, eh?


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Learyfan]
    #1535731 - 05/09/03 10:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Wow.

Wowie wow wow.

I can never, EVER take anything any of you boobs say with even the slightest hint of credibility... are you really serious?

Step away from the computer, go outside... it's obvious that the radiation is eating your brains from the inside out.

Wow, I'm truly disturbed and disgusted at the ignorance.

Disappointing, to say the least.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: sloluva]
    #1535831 - 05/09/03 11:15 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I can't agree more, friend. These people need to take out that chip that the damn CIA put in their head before they go on a shooting spree.

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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1535834 - 05/09/03 11:15 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

If you believe every thing you read on the net, check out www.natall.com


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1535947 - 05/10/03 12:19 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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What ever you do, dont discount theis 'old news', these people are still in opperation, they still publish this paper. people that have had association with it have had problems in the military, army being transfered to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. A Marine Corps Instalation...these are some of the very people that defend your freedoms...what ever is left of them...they give up alot of information, none is classified but you can be assured that it's not common knowledge....

My family has a long history with the US military, 2 were LRRP in Viet Nam, Another was MACV-SOG, all were in the Mei Kong ranging from 66-72. none had served less than 3 tours.....One is currently the police chief for a medium sized city, population of about 1.5 million...retired from military life in '79 and became a cop as opposed to other offers...one is now an outlaw the other is dead because of his 'criminal activity'. Each has verified that a great deal of the information is legit, there are codes throughout this paper, you may pick up and you may not. regardless, it's real and these guys aren conspiricy nuts...I've been watching for several years after I first ran across a reference to it on fidonet....our government will and does.....

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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1535957 - 05/10/03 12:24 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

sorry...dont go in for the alliance...wanna see some conspiracy....

Most of this is from legitamate news sources why has nothing been done about americas complicity in terrorism, shouldn't as I have said since the second plane hit
American Government has done this, watch, it will be expose and burried.
one plane, I would believe a plot from Osama ans Sadam, 2 can only mean one thing...why did we fight Afganistan, the real terrorists are here, running our country

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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1536036 - 05/10/03 01:05 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

So I take it you guys can answer the questions then?


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1536061 - 05/10/03 01:25 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

What could he have done?


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1536073 - 05/10/03 01:29 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe read it first so you actually know what I'm talking about?


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1536317 - 05/10/03 03:53 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Stop avoiding the question.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Learyfan]
    #1536323 - 05/10/03 03:55 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, that is actually a great read. It doesn't come out and say "Bush knew." it just asks questions of how things were handled. Really damn interesting.



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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1536388 - 05/10/03 04:52 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

LOL I'm not avoiding anything. The article is not a critique of Bush's actions on 9/11, but you haven't read it so you wouldn't know that. That has absolutely nothing to do with what the article is criticizing. Why don't you actually read it, then come talk to me.



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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1536694 - 05/10/03 11:19 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I dunno the evidence is circumstantial at best. I just think Bush is a dork.

Really though, I would have respect for the guy if he jumped up and tried to do something. Too bad I was actually awake during 9/11 and saw Bush sitting around like a useless sack of shit. I was actually doing more than he was at the time: pacing around, talking on the phone and telling everyone to turn on the news...

I think Bush was sitting there thinking: "I dont want these kids to know what is going on, I dont want this school to panic"


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: pattern]
    #1536790 - 05/10/03 12:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

So, on one hand you are saying that bush didn't do "anything" after the 9/11 attacks, on the other hand (lets call this one "reality", or "Sanity") we took over two nations, one directly a result of their assistance with the specific terrorists that attacked us, captured more than half of the leadership structure of the group that attacked us, and have three thousand less Holy Warrior Pilots to worry about(AT LEAST) down in gitmo.  Um, which one is it?  Also, what would you have liked bush to have done? Lets see what he REALLY did. He ordered the downing of all flights, he scrambled military jets to protect every large American city, geez, I don't even wanna continue this anymore, the chip that the CIA planted in my brain gives them snapshots of what I'm doing every half hour, and I don't want them to knowi 'm on the shroomery. Not even my tin foil hat works now :frown:

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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1537004 - 05/10/03 02:54 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Noone who criticized this thread even tried to answer the question.

Andrew Card comes into the classroom to tell Bush that a fucking plane has hit the WTC. What did Bush do?

Nothing.

Card comes in a second time to tell Bush that ANOTHER plane has hit the other tower. What did Bush do?

NOTHING.

Did he ask who did it? No

Did he ask what country was attacking us? No

Did the secret service get him the fuck out of that classroom? No.

Did he do anything to try and find out what the fuck was going on? No.

Andrew Card came into the room to let Bush know that everything was going as planned.

Sorry to be the one to wake you people up.




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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1537005 - 05/10/03 02:55 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Answer the question.

At 9AM when Cheney was being rushed away under ultra high security to a secret bunker under the White House. Bush on the other hand, was at his publicized location in Sarasota, where an assassination attempt had been foiled just days earlier, and was able to sit around for 20 minutes picking his ass. Could you please explain how this makes sense, or why after the fact the official story has gone farther and farther away from what you can plainly see with your own eyes on the video tape?


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1537266 - 05/10/03 05:37 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

It's obvious! Cheney was being hidden by the aliens, while G Dub was waiting for OSama, so they could bored the plan together and conspire to overthrow the Zionist government, which is trying to take over the world! Also, I think bush killed kennedy! after all... just WHERE was bush when he was killed,hm? don't hear much about that do you!


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1537278 - 05/10/03 05:44 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

If you're so sure that it's all bullshit, why don't you simply answer the questions?




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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Learyfan]
    #1537388 - 05/10/03 06:46 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

learyfan- I can only read minds on Thursdays. I 'll post again then :-)

Just out of curiousity, how many of you have any experience working with the government or for the government? Include mlitary experience if you'd like. I'd just like to see where you are coming from :-)


Also, to take a singular act like that (namely, an act or loackthereof due to shock) and use it as "proof' that he had knowledge it was going to happen is ***deleted by Rono***. You have done nothing to prove your point. It's typical anti-USA ramblings. When 9//1 happened, I didn't run home to grab my rifles, but it's not because I was sure that nothign else was going to happen. ***Deleted by Rono***. Honestly , ican't say it any other way than that. ***Deleted by Rono*** It would make Bush the singular worst criminal in American history! I mean, you can't say "hey, I don't like this guy, so every fuckign time he commits any action or doens't commit an action, i'm going to distort it as much as possible". ***Deleted by Rono***
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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Learyfan]
    #1537396 - 05/10/03 06:50 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

If air traffic controllers believed Flight 11 had been hijacked at 8:13, NORAD should have been informed immediately, so military planes could be scrambled to investigate. However, NORAD and the FAA both claimed NORAD was not informed until 8:40 - 27 minutes later.

As an ex-military person, I can tell you that before 9/11, hijackings weren't met with scrambled jets. Before 9/11 we didn't consider the "747 missile" attack possibility, so their would be no need to do that. NORAD tracks them on radar and alerts the FBI. . I'm so nauseated reading this dipshittery that i'm going to stop.

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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1537410 - 05/10/03 06:55 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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on one hand you are saying that bush didn't do "anything" after the 9/11 attacks, on the other hand (lets call this one "reality", or "Sanity") we took over two nations




I am talking about Bush during the first hours after the attack, not the next day.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: pattern]
    #1537436 - 05/10/03 07:09 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

pattern - Nonetheless, if bush was in on the conspiracy (this has to be my last post, I feel like a nutcase living in the woods with my 4 tons of food in my bomb shelter waiting for the Jews to take over the world when I type that line) then why would he have reacted? OK seriously I cna't talk about this anymore. If oyu believe that bush was a part of the 9/11 conspiracy, you are a fucking moron. An absolute idiot. Your brain doesn't function as it should, and you should seek professional help.

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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1537458 - 05/10/03 07:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

you should settle down


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1537478 - 05/10/03 07:28 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Johnny you really need to read my post carefully.

I do not think Bush was in on it. Not explicit in that post, but I have been saying that for a while now.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1538265 - 05/11/03 02:01 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Just out of curiousity, how many of you have any experience working with the government or for the government? Include mlitary experience if you'd like. I'd just like to see where you are coming from :-)




they can, they will, they do...and they continue...lets analize a few things...into the way back machine to the earlydays of the war on drugs....why did it become a war....for military involvement on US siol against US citizens...

David Koresh...accused of illegal weapons, then child abuse, then endangerment, then...manufacture of methamphetamines....here come the soldiers....this was a couple of weeks into the standoff....why were the tanks on the tarmac the day before the initial raid....why was the press kept as far as possible 'out of harms way'....why were foriegn military leaders flying overhead as 'observers'...why was the compound bulldozed within 2 days of the fire, before *any* evidence was collected. Why were davidians arrested, charged and then paid 3 million and released....

OKC....nutcase drives a truck to the frontdoor of a federal building, the truck sits there without arrousing suspiscion for a couple of hours, truck goes boom...the blast crater was not consistant with amyl-nitrate, the sizemology reading detected a small blast and then a larger one...where are they now...military demolitions experts state that the damage was not consistant with a shit bomb...Timothy McVeigh is arrested for the act of 'terrorism', making his getaway in a vehicle that would draw attention...it had no tag....why would something so well thought out omit such a detail....by some act of devine intervention, not one single BATF agent was killed in the blast...in fact none were even injured...why...because they had aparently been warned...or? The Murrah Federal building was demolished, dispite protests from forensics experts and investigators that were not allowed on the scene until the bodies were removed...they never had the chance to look it over
my car would have been towed from the front of the building inside of 30minutes, why did the truck stay for 2 hours...

9/11...2 planes crash, bush does nothing...not even a wimper....FBI agant says 'we knew' and nothing was done...'we knew a couple of years before', nothing was done.....bush knew...he needed it to happen, the FBI information was given to bush through the CIA, they admitted to it....bush knew. complicity.

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It would make Bush the singular worst criminal in American history!
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isnt he....he was informed, months in advance....he did nothing....


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1538373 - 05/11/03 03:07 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Also, There is real evidence that bush knew about 911. He signed a document saying they would arrest any FBI agent that tried to stop 911.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1538380 - 05/11/03 03:11 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You think I'm an idiot for thinking bush had something to do with 911. Well I think you're an idiot for thinking he didn't.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1538391 - 05/11/03 03:17 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, There is real evidence that bush knew about 911. He signed a document saying they would arrest any FBI agent that tried to stop 911.



Sources? I'd be very interested in finding out where you heard this.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: silversoul7]
    #1538400 - 05/11/03 03:21 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Alex Jones said it in his documentary "911: The Road To Tyranny." I'm currently trying to look it up online and see if I can find anything about it.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1538406 - 05/11/03 03:24 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't exactly take someone like Alex Jones to be a credible source. If you can find other, more legitimate sources, I'd like to see them.


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    #1538430 - 05/11/03 03:44 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Just look up the document W199i. That's the name of the thing bush signed.


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    #1538436 - 05/11/03 03:50 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I see a lot of very conspiritorial websites pop up in the search, but I can't find the actual text of the document. Could you possibly provide a link?


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1538492 - 05/11/03 04:26 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Bill gates is in my bedroom right now, and he says you're wrong.


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    #1538730 - 05/11/03 10:52 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Wrong about what?


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: silversoul7]
    #1538882 - 05/11/03 01:24 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

"A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their govt. and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get."


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1539026 - 05/11/03 02:56 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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He ordered the downing of all flights, he scrambled military jets to protect every large American city,


No, he didn't. There is a disagreement to who exactly gave the orders to ground all flights, but it was someone within the FAA. Oh, and bush didn't order military jets to all major cities, it was Cheney who told Bush to do that.




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    #1539110 - 05/11/03 03:56 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

no no he wasn't looking for a quote - we're wondering if you have a link to the actual document......


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1539190 - 05/11/03 04:42 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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You think I'm an idiot for thinking bush had something to do with 911.



That's not why.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1539252 - 05/11/03 05:13 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Bill gates is in my bedroom right now, and he says you're wrong.




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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1539339 - 05/11/03 05:56 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, everyone from the "jews in teh world trade center" to Gee Dub knew all about 9/11. Thats an interesting theory. And by "interesting" i mean ***edited by Rono*** and by theory i mean "***edited by Rono***"

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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1539453 - 05/11/03 06:53 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You're not very nice.

And by "not very nice," ***edited by Rono***


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Strumpling]
    #1539466 - 05/11/03 07:01 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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You're not very nice.

And by "not very nice," I mean you're an asshole.



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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1539534 - 05/11/03 07:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)



And rightly so, in my opinion.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: ]
    #1540035 - 05/11/03 11:38 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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"A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their govt. and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get."



I my skeptical inquiry would lead you to believe I was on Bush's side. I'm not. I certainly believe he had a motive to let 9/11 happen, and I have no trouble believing he would stoop that low. The fact remains, however, that you have still not provided convincing evidence of your claims.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: silversoul7]
    #1540141 - 05/12/03 12:12 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Conspiracy theories don't need evidence! You just need an imagination and a heart full of cynicism.


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    #1540149 - 05/12/03 12:14 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Conspiracy theories don't need evidence! You just need an imagination and a heart full of cynicism.



I have both those things, but I also demand evidence.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1540517 - 05/12/03 02:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You don't like to respond to all posts that are addressed to you, do you?


Did you see my post to you, its at the top of this page.



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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Skikid16]
    #1540538 - 05/12/03 02:21 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You know, the president has people who work for him.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1541299 - 05/12/03 11:27 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Ski - Sure did. You are taking the lack of action(supposedly) and the fact that he didn't respond as you would have done (possibly) if you were given that information and making a connection with him having aforeknowledge of the event. You are drawing what is called a "warrant", but with nothing to connect or bridge the two events. And God forbid you actually have something that has proof involved :-)


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1541338 - 05/12/03 11:41 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Heh. I've stopped reading PA&L lately becuase of this nonsense bullshit conspiracy theory crap.

I thought you ALL believed it! How nice to see that its only a small ***edited by rono***minority still saying such things.....Wow...


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1541419 - 05/12/03 12:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I would say that a few of you are little slow on the uptake when it comes to the rules of this forum...what part of "No Flaming" is unclear? I'm not going to warn anyone else in this thread...you flame, you get temporarily banned. Simple isn't it?


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Rono]
    #1541509 - 05/12/03 01:19 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I apologize, I apologize. A small silly minority? Is that a flame? I'll try to keep it nice and on the level...


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1541548 - 05/12/03 01:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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You are drawing what is called a "warrant", but with nothing to connect or bridge the two events.


Hehehe, no actually I never said anything about him having prior knowledge, in fact, the article does little to suggest this, it just points out many suspect actions (or lack thereof) taken by Bush.

Did you read the link. I mean its long as hell, but its not one of those stupid conspiracy theories. I just puts together accounts of the events by many different media sources. I didn't finish it (the thing is honestly about 30 pages) but in all that I read, not once did it jump to conclusions, it may hint to the suggestion that Bush knew more than he lead us to believe, but it doesn't have some stupid conspiracy for all the counter culture nerds to eat up. Honestly, give it a read, its really interesting, and after about 5 pages if you still don't like it, cool. But you'll never know unless you try.

BH- I know the president has people working for him, in fact, they are the ones that scare me. I was merely pointing out to JR that Bush did not take the action JR said he did. Duh.....


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1541831 - 05/12/03 03:15 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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  OK seriously I cna't talk about this anymore.  If oyu believe that bush was a part of the 9/11 conspiracy, you are a fucking moron.  An absolute idiot.  Your brain doesn't function as it should, and you should seek professional help.

Good day.

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OOOhhh! TYPICAL! :grin:  A little heat and johnnys' arguments collapse like the nothing on which thier built.  :shocked: :wink: :smirk:


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    #1541860 - 05/12/03 03:23 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think the article was meant to "prove" anything.  Just asks some questions, that make bush appear either a fool, or a terrorist. :tongue:


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1541864 - 05/12/03 03:26 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Ya. The way I see it, even if he didn't take part in some conspiracy, he's still guilty of negligence.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: silversoul7]
    #1541874 - 05/12/03 03:34 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

But we can all agree he is at least a FOOOL! :grin:


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1542068 - 05/12/03 05:01 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

That page is evidence of a conspiracy, not proof.

Why would Bush not ask "who is attacking America"?




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Why would Bush not ask "who is attacking America"?




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    #1542197 - 05/12/03 05:47 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Heh. I've stopped reading PA&L lately becuase of this nonsense bullshit conspiracy theory crap.


If it wasn't for conspiracy theories, this forum would die quickly.

Sad really, what people will believe. Frankly I'm surprised some of these people aren't humiliated by some of the crap they dream up.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1542202 - 05/12/03 05:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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I dont think the article was meant to "prove" anything.  Just asks some questions, that make bush appear either a fool, or a terrorist. :tongue: 



Only if that's what you want to see.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: Learyfan]
    #1543051 - 05/12/03 10:39 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Here's another conspiracy theory to consider:  The term "conspiracy theory" has been created to lump every hairbrained UFO cover-up story, every wacky, unfounded suggestion of an Illuminatus secret society living beneath the earth's crust, with the conspiracies that really do take place.

I mean, is there anyone here who would say that there are NO conspiracies, period?

conspire: to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement.  (Miriam Webster)

So, the negative association serves to quiet anyone who theorizes, regardless of how much evidence they may have, with a single term: conspiracy theory.  It's an inane rebuttal but it's used all the time.  Oh, and "tin foil hat".

This is called the "conspiracy theory conspiracy theory."  It's BIG!!!!!!  :smirk:

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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: hongomon]
    #1543061 - 05/12/03 10:43 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

"Conspiracy" is definitely a loaded word. When it comes down to it, any kind of careful planning that's kept under wraps is a conspiracy, which means pretty much everything the CIA does is a conspiracy.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: silversoul7]
    #1543353 - 05/13/03 12:12 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Good point. Some kind of "lawful" conspiracy or something.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: hongomon]
    #1543370 - 05/13/03 12:18 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Stop doing so many drugs. Maybe that paranoia will go away.


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Re: Bush's movements and actions on September 11th [Re: hongomon]
    #1545336 - 05/13/03 03:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Here's another conspiracy theory to consider:  The term "conspiracy theory" has been created to lump every hairbrained UFO cover-up story, every wacky, unfounded suggestion of an Illuminatus secret society living beneath the earth's crust, with the conspiracies that really do take place.

I mean, is there anyone here who would say that there are NO conspiracies, period?

conspire: to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement.  (Miriam Webster)

So, the negative association serves to quiet anyone who theorizes, regardless of how much evidence they may have, with a single term: conspiracy theory.  It's an inane rebuttal but it's used all the time.  Oh, and "tin foil hat".

This is called the "conspiracy theory conspiracy theory."  It's BIG!!!!!!  :smirk:

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Well said.  I think the X-Files had a lot to do with this general assumption that the word conspiracy automatically means aliens and crackpot stories.  It wouldn't be in the dictionary if it wasn't a valid word .


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