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not wrong, just not right
    #1535221 - 05/09/03 04:10 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

many wise men of history have pondered knowledge, and how we can obtain true knowledge... how we can 'know' anything really... some of these men have even come up with widely accepted theories... some speculated that "we can never truly know anything," others have said that analysis and careful perception shall show us the path to true knowledge, others even went so far into confusion that they speculated that all knowledge given by divine inspiration only can be true, and still others have assumed simply that their own knowledge is correct and not that of another man's, all these are viable speculations, but for all of, or any of them to be correct about the true nature of true knowledge, one would have to assume above all that another is wrong, giving you the preconceived knowledge that you are right and thereby subjecting you to the same variable of being totally wrong, as the person you are believing to be wrong, so one has to again take the middle path in this argument, and say that; what any man takes proper observation of, and assumes to be true is true knowledge to him, but not to others, and that if his knowledge is likely, or possible that he may be right, but not that he is, for it is inevitable that you too shall have a true knowledge implanted in your brain, so in all actuality, knowledge is relative to perception, and that not all perspectives can be observed, so by another man's observation, unless totally misinformed, that he has the same amount of information than you, and that you are both just as right as you believe you are, though, if another man is not as informed, or you are in the position that his knowledge is no longer likely, then you find that it is not that he is wrong, but simply that he is not right, and that when showing someone their fault in opinion or knowledge, in treatment that they are not wrong, you show simply that they are not wrong, but simply that they are not right... never attempt to show that you are right in respect to the illusive knowledge that can only be known by our perception and speculation of the world we live in.

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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: 2Experimental]
    #1535309 - 05/09/03 04:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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never attempt to show that you are right in respect to the illusive knowledge that can only be known by our perception and speculation of the world we live in




Good example!  :smile:

In a similiar light, I have always wondered how a sound which I make, such as shouting f-ck, can get me in trouble when it is your perception of the word that is at fault?  Did I make such as sound is offensive, or did you infer that the sound was offensive and decide that I should be punished for my misdeed?


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: 2Experimental]
    #1536288 - 05/10/03 01:27 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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but for all of, or any of them to be correct about the true nature of true knowledge, one would have to assume above all that another is wrong




Why? I don't think so. There can be more than one right.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: thestringphish]
    #1538493 - 05/11/03 02:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I believe if you honestly think something is right without the influence of other man and society, then it is correct. If its not right, I simply see it as left :wink: Or maybe up down or all around.

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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: tak_old]
    #1539271 - 05/11/03 03:24 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

or maybe side to side? and over and under? hmmmmmm

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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: 2Experimental]
    #26505739 - 02/27/20 12:24 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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2Experimental said:
many wise men of history have pondered knowledge, and how we can obtain true knowledge... how we can 'know' anything really... some of these men have even come up with widely accepted theories... some speculated that "we can never truly know anything," others have said that analysis and careful perception shall show us the path to true knowledge, others even went so far into confusion that they speculated that all knowledge given by divine inspiration only can be true[ /quote]

I  never know or knew
and then like time, the
essence, bubbling
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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: 2Experimental]
    #26505814 - 02/27/20 02:27 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Our ancestors found relatively stable probabilities of continuation; like the Sun rising each morning.

And from this we extrapolate knowledge.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: 2Experimental]
    #26506645 - 02/27/20 02:37 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

.  A funny aspect is that at various times abstract math that was thought useless, was later found to explain real world phenomenon. In fact creating the electronics in the computers we are using, uses some of this math.

.  Another odd item is that a mathematician or physicist can explain the dynamics of a pitch thrown by a pitcher, but can't throw a 90 mile an hour pitch.
Whereas a pitcher can throw a fast ball, but not explain the dynamics.
So what is "The truth" about 90 MPH pitches?

Seems to me, "Truth" or "right" or "knowledge" all seem rather slippery at times.

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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: laughingdog]
    #26507164 - 02/27/20 08:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So since mathematicians can't throw a ball at 90mph truth is slippery?

I mean come the heck on what the f?
You're one slippery ass mofo brah.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26507204 - 02/27/20 08:32 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

the truth has many facets, and if those facets do not contradict other facets of the truth they are all truthy, this is not the same as the idea of alternate truths which is more about lying.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26507384 - 02/27/20 11:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes there are no contradictions and one or two, or more, are overridden by that which proven more evident.

Fighting with themselves over the truth when it's not decided by us, it's what we've discovered.

Comparing studies is more good for that, in my view.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26507393 - 02/27/20 11:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Our personal lives are decided by us.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly] * 1
    #26507516 - 02/28/20 01:06 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
So since mathematicians can't throw a ball at 90mph truth is slippery?

I mean come the heck on what the f?
You're one slippery ass mofo brah.




.  It is important to learn nothing from me. Don't waver, hold fast to your promise.
After all I found fault with your grammar.

.  However I didn't say these things:

"A FAMOUS soldier came to the master Hakuin and asked: "Master,
tell me: is there really a heaven and a hell?"

"Who are you?" asked Hakuin.

"I am a soldier of the great Emperor's personal guard."

"Nonsense!" said Hakuin. "What kind of emperor would have you
around him? To me you look like a beggar!"

At this, the soldier
started to rattle his big sword in anger. "Oho!" said Hakuin. "So
you have a sword! I'll wager it's much too dull to cut my head
off!"

At this the soldier could not hold himself back. He drew his sword
and threatened the master, who said: "Now you know half the
answer! You are opening the gates of hell!"

The soldier drew back, sheathed his sword, and bowed. "Now you
know the other half," said the master. "You have opend the gates
of heaven."




"Being angry is like drinking poison,
and expecting the other person to die."

Edited by laughingdog (02/28/20 01:21 AM)

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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: laughingdog]
    #26507529 - 02/28/20 01:26 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

U found fault in my grandma. :lol:
Gave me a good giggle :lol: :lol:

May you fertilize in peace brudda.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26507536 - 02/28/20 01:35 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

is that so?

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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: laughingdog]
    #26507573 - 02/28/20 03:15 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

One day :smile:


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26507658 - 02/28/20 06:09 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I guess tripping...


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26507832 - 02/28/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sick of slippery shit.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26507862 - 02/28/20 09:36 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

eat more cheese and bananas;
skip the oranges and prunes


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26508018 - 02/28/20 11:26 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe it slipped past you :lol:


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26508050 - 02/28/20 11:47 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

all wiped and flushed


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26508159 - 02/28/20 12:54 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So what's your interpretation of the master and the soldier story?


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26508192 - 02/28/20 01:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I think it never happened, and is unlikely to happen that way, but it makes for a fair illustration of triggering a practiced response (in this case violent sword play) and of overriding a triggered response (leaving the sword in sheath)

we don't need to use a tool simply because we carry it and have become excellent in using it. At some point it will be good to have the defensive/offensive skill, but one need not take themselves so seriously that it is ridiculous.

who shows respect for a teacher by attacking?


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26508316 - 02/28/20 02:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

A teacher?

Was this some kind of respect your elders rant?


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26508565 - 02/28/20 04:45 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

you asked me what I thought about the story, and that was the story up there, or maybe a different story is what you asked about.

I am not your teacher - ludicrous.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26508934 - 02/28/20 09:36 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

This, just, I don't get it.

Quote:

At this the soldier could not hold himself back. He drew his sword
and threatened the master, who said: "Now you know half the
answer! You are opening the gates of hell!"

The soldier drew back, sheathed his sword, and bowed. "Now you
know the other half," said the master. "You have opend the gates
of heaven."




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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26509222 - 02/29/20 05:06 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

this was my explanation - maybe you missed it because of excess words, sorry:
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a fair illustration of triggering a practiced response (in this case violent sword play) and of overriding a triggered response (leaving the sword in sheath)

we don't need to use a tool simply because we carry it and have become excellent in using it.




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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26509864 - 02/29/20 02:47 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I got that but not how it was relevant to anything else here.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26509879 - 02/29/20 03:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
So what's your interpretation of the master and the soldier story?



this is the relevance, nothing else.
do you check every step of a volley in ping pong too?
you served me this question
I bounced back my honest answer
you questioned that and introduced nonsense about elders
I responded
then wtf?

if this is not right what's wrong?


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26509901 - 02/29/20 03:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

No no, you've been helpful rgv, it doesn't surprise me to realise laughing dog was sharing a zen koan.


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: sudly]
    #26510796 - 03/01/20 05:22 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

ok blame the dog, grr..


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Re: not wrong, just not right [Re: laughingdog]
    #26511304 - 03/01/20 12:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

A koan is,
Quote:

a paradoxical anecdote or riddle without a solution, used in Zen Buddhism to demonstrate the inadequacy of logical reasoning and provoke enlightenment.




I asked, "so since mathematicians can't throw a ball at 90mph truth is slippery?", and you said something about my grammar followed by a koan..

Like what gives with truth having to be so slippery in your case?



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