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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1543747 - 05/12/03 11:51 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Where do you think all these little 13 year old punks are getting cigarettes?

Could you explain to us why the number of people smoking is decreasing? By your logic if you legalise something you have more and more people using it - doesn't seem to be true.

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Jonathan Cook, MA (Oxon) North Sydney
ref: Jan 00 Heroinsight

Dear Mr Howard,

Until the last election, I had voted Liberal for 30 years. I am hoping to be able to do so again since I generally support your party's economic policies. But until you adopt more progressive social policies, this appears a forlorn hope.

In particular, your approach to the heroin problem is regressive, reactionary and anti-social. In my view, the course you are taking will only lead further down the disastrous road the nation and its drug users have embarked on. If the problem is to be contained. it is essential that you permit and encourage shooting galleries, and also allow heroin to be sold on prescription. Until this happens:

1. The crime wave will continue and accelerate, with people like us being burgled with increasing frequency so that drug users can raise sufficient funds to support their habit.

2. Young people will continue to die from overdoses and drug mixing at a horrifying rate, which is reported to have risen from about 2 per million before prohibition to 80 to 120 per million now.

3. The high profits from drug dealing will accrue mainly to organised crime, allowing them to acquire an ever-increasing share of the nation's capital.

4. The nation's courts will be bogged down with drug-related crime.

5. Many of our young generation (at least those who do not die from overdoses) will be stigmatised by criminal conviction and often permanently alienated from society.

6. The country's jails will continue to overflow, mainly with the young and minorities who are more likely to buy and fix on the streets.

It is way past time that your government recognised that drugs are a social and health problem and not a criminal one. I expect you also are aware that prohibition is bound to fail sooner or later. By legalising heroin and selling controlled amounts and qualities on prescription. you will solve at a stroke many of the problems listed.

Your argument that legalising heroin necessarily sends a bad message to society is rubbish. Cigarette consumption in Australia is declining steadily as the message that it is damaging to health sinks in. A similar but much stronger campaign is needed for heroin to prevent the young from becoming addicted and to help them quit. At present it is the very illegality of both soft and hard drugs that makes them seem socially desirable in some circles.

The only argument that I can see against legalisation is that America is opposed to it and is pressuring other countries and the UN to adopt its position. The US in fact is probably one of the few developed countries that is less enlightened than Australia in its national drugs policy, though many States are seeking to liberalise their laws, particularly in relation to soft drugs.

I sincerely urge you to reconsider your and your government's position before you do even more harm to our society than you and your predecessor governments have already done. At the very least, you should not oppose the States and Territories in their more enlightened approaches.

http://www.fds.org.au/letter_jan00_01.html


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Xlea321]
    #1544144 - 05/13/03 02:01 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

From article Alex posted: "Heroin can be highly addictive  - which is a very good reason not to start taking it. In extreme doses, it can kill. But the truth which has been trampled under the cavalry of the drug warriors is that,  properly prescribed, pure heroin is a benign drug."

I don't see how these two facts (in bold) can pertain to the same drug.  The very fact that it's so addictive means it's not benign.  However, that said, I think current drug laws are very unfair to doctors and their patients.  While I'd personally prefer my doctor not treat heroin or other opiates as "benign", I also think they should be left free to use their judgement and properly manage a patient's pain.  Underprescription might be more of a problem than overprescription these days.  I know I've suffered from it.  The dentist wouldn't give me shit after a root canal.  He said ibuprofen would be good enough.  It turns out my infection was in the next tooth over, so the pain kept worsening, but would he listen?  Ohhhh no.  Finally, three days later my girlfriend took me to an overnight emergency clinic (this was in Germany) , and after a visit with the physician on call (my swollen face helped), I had a prescription for something called Valoron.  In drop form--15 to 20 drops in a coke and I was A-OK.  A calm after a terrible storm.  I waved the Valoron in the dentist's face and said "You see this?  This is all I needed."  I have never experienced pain like that.

The drop in ODs when purity is known makes sense.  Statistics show that when a batch of higher purity heroin gets out, ODs show up.  Users shooting up 80 percent pure heroin as if it were 20 percent pure can die from it.  So this is one good argument about decriminalized heroin.  But let's remember that heroin is a serious gamble.  Like the article said, it can be highly addictive.  And even if it is true that physically there is no damage (I'd like to hear more), there's still a life in shambles.  I hear claims that a person addicted to heroin can lead a perfectly normal life, and I don't buy it.

Don't go and tell your 15-year-old nephew that heroin itself is pretty safe, please.  It's like telling a 7-year-old that matches are pretty safe.

I'm against the drug law, but I'm definitely not pro-drugs.  As I work with youth and have plenty of opportunities to discuss things like this (that's right, I'm a corruptor :smirk:), I think a lot about what to say should the subject come up.  I would never tell them heroin is a benign drug.  For one thing I just don't believe that's accurate.  But at the same time I don't give bullshit assertions propogated by DARE.  Youth these days, they see right through that.

I rarely push my opinion on my students (no, seriously) but in this case I do.  I say, "Don't even try it."  I say, "If you guys are so curious you have to try stuff, at least don't lie to yourself about what you're dealing with.  You're gambling, possibly against the odds, and what's the payoff?  You manage to be one of those who can do it and not get burned by it?  Not much of a return really, considering what you're wagering.  Same thing goes for alcohol.

If there's going to be any headway against these lame laws that fill our prisons with innocent people and eat up tons of money, it's going to be because more people who fall into the "anti-drug" camp also realize that the drug laws do more harm than good, and join in the fight to repeal them.  I've made some headway with my Mom.  :wink:

But of course, the drug problem in the U.S. and elsewhere goes beyond the nature of the drug itself, and involves a wider picture of excess, or self-medication to relieve deeper pains, or something, I don't know.  It's a symptom of something else.

hongomon 

Edited by hongomon (05/13/03 02:03 AM)

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1544149 - 05/13/03 02:02 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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If it affects me, I'm damn well going to work towards MY best interests. I have no desire to have 11 year old boys propositioning me for heroin outside 7/11. I dont want to some crazy mad fucking hippie running up to my car at a stop light telling me god told him this, or god told him that. And I Sure as HELL dont want to trip over junkies on my way into Mcdonalds. Ya know?




ok....so how does this differ from beer...or liquor....major cities everywhere it is happening with alcohol....just kick the bastards and tell the to get a hair cut grandpa...

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Learyfan]
    #1544156 - 05/13/03 02:05 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I was joking guys!

I just made a post from the point of view of someone who had their head up thier ass. Did you like my "get an education before you make such statements" comment? That was especially pompous.





it's cool...head in the ass isnt healthy....it should be outlawed....but at least it would get you ready for prison.... :shocked:

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1544171 - 05/13/03 02:12 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I was taught all about drugs in school. Every year...And I still use...Why is that?




Yeah...I was too....pot will make you addicted...3 hits of acid and you become insane....toot a line of coke you become a junkie....pot is a gateway drug...
Schiil teaches the government aproved pablum....drug education in public schools is bullshit on a chalkboard.....wouldnt know about private schools....but I'm sure it's worse....

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1544182 - 05/13/03 02:19 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Now Now...People DO use drugs. Nobody is aruging that? Right? What I'm saying is that if your going to legalize the drugs...MORE people are going to use them. I dont buy mine legally, so what I do has no bearing on this conversation. I'm not telling you, or anyone else, NOT to use drugs. Go out! Get fucked up! I do, on a regular basis. Its FUN. But if we're talking blanket legalization, I'm still going to say its a stupid idea...




you mentioned facts...prove that there will be a serious increase in drug use....prohibition for alcohol actualy saw a *rise* in alcoholism, why? because it was forbiden....you always want what you cant have...now on the subject of your drug use.....your a joke.....you feel that you should loose ALL of your rights and risk severe legal penalties, financial loss because you wanna get a little buzz...your fucked up....maybe you should check into a rehab because maybe they were right in your case about drugs damaging your brain...


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1544214 - 05/13/03 02:41 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Alright. Let me respond to another one of your rants...Number 1: The problem is, Stupid people DO sell the kids beer and tobacco. Where do you think all these little 13 year old punks are getting cigarettes? Happy Meals? Think again...




Yep...people do...my parents provided it for me if I chose to get drunk...my friends were partying with me...the cool part...we had permission...oddly enough, none of us are alcoholics now....

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I DID grow up in a hick town. Its fucking Wisconsin, what the fuck do you expect?




this explains every thing...my former boss was from wisconsin....yep....tells me where the fucked up morality is sourced from....he likes to screw around with young girls...14 and 15 years old....allways hitting on them....I hook up with someone thats 18 and he calls me a perv....hell, I married the girl...were having a kid...his interest was to make porn flicks of him and jailbait....


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Sure, People have a right to die and whatever, thats fine. But when it affects MY quality of life, its not okay with me.




Please explain to me how any of this wil actualy affect your quality of life, if I get high, will you suffer....if I trip, will you feel it...this is the same demented *bs* that was used to outlaw these drugs to begin with...even if you were part of my family, my tripping on occasion would not affect you in the slightest...unless you were just jealous....

it's like the gun debate...Kennesaw Ga passed a law making it mandatory to own a gun...exclusions do apply....look at the crime statistics...no murders, a 90% drop in breakins, 92% drop in violent crime....but guns cause crime....seems like owning a gun prevents it...just like having access to drugs as a legal substance will show an increase in usage for a very short period....but thats because the statistics are fucked up....half the people dont tell the truth about usage....I know a judge that gets stoned, prominent business ment that toke up, cops that do the same....would they admit to it....no...

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: hongomon]
    #1544718 - 05/13/03 09:47 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Good post hongoman.

I suppose the question is whether a drug ever become safer when you hand it's control over to criminals.


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1544821 - 05/13/03 10:44 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I've been reading some more of your posts on this thread, Madtown, particularly your exchange with Mycophat, and I'm going to have to clarify my earlier statement that I agree with you for the most part. When I said that, I was specifically referring to your initial post voicing your opposition against legalising smack/coke/meth and hard drugs. Indeed, while I do support legalizing pot and all psychedelics, I do NOT support legalizing smack/coke/meth because of their highly addictive properties. That, however, is pretty much where our agreement ends.

Quite frankly, some of the statements you've made in the subsequent posts are completely ridiculous. You've gone on some strange rants about how legalisation would cause YOU to have to deal with 11 year old junkies at corner stores and freaks yapping about God in your face. It really sounds to me like one of your biggest concerns is how legalization is going to inconvenience YOU. I want to make it perfectly clear to everyone that that's not where I'm coming from on this issue. I'm coming from the perspective of a former crack-smoking addict with a habit that I simply could not quit, no matter how hard I tried. I've been there man, I've done it all, and I am so fucking thankful that I finally saw the light through use of psychedelic drugs and that I can now say with confidence that I'll never use habit-forming drugs again. Drug addiction is curse that I'd not even wish on my worst enemy. I know there's many others that disagree with me, but I do believe that legalization of hard, addictive drugs will end up creating addicts out of people who normally would not be that way, and that is why I do not support legalization of such substances. So, while you and I agree that hard drugs shouldn't be legal, our reasoning and our current philosphy regarding personal use of addictive and synthetic drugs could not be more different.



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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Xlea321]
    #1544854 - 05/13/03 11:06 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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A whole generation of people after the civil war were addicted terribly to heroin.



No they weren't. I think it was morphine and I think it was ww1 or ww2 but over 90% of the troops went from using it on a regular bases to going back to a completely normal (and drug free) life after the war. Very few kept using it.

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yes you are, by saying drugs should be illegal.



Actully what he's saying makes sense although I disagree. The world has drugs, thats a fact but how the world deals with it makes a big difference. Things would be very different if they were legal, he believe it would be a negative thing although he still thinks they're ok. Kinda like they're ok but not for everyone and not in the way they would be if legal, by keeping them illegal less people would use it and it wouldn't be an open thing.

Also most kids, and some people, who try things and have a negative experiance their first time tend not to try things again and tell their friends not to also. Alot of people are like that in this area. With drinking most people have a possitive experiance their first time so dont let one negaitve stop them perminantly although alot of people still take a break and are then more careful in the future. With dip most people dont like it (especially younger kids) so they dont use it again. Same would probably happen with alot of other drugs. This about tripping, anyone know anyone that has had a bad trip their 1st time? They become totally anti tripping and tell everyone how bad it is...

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1544928 - 05/13/03 11:35 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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I want to make it perfectly clear to everyone that that's not where I'm coming from on this issue. I'm coming from the perspective of a former crack-smoking addict with a habit that I simply could not quit, no matter how hard I tried. I've been there man, I've done it all, and I am so fucking thankful that I finally saw the light through use of psychedelic drugs and that I can now say with confidence that I'll never use habit-forming drugs again. Drug addiction is curse that I'd not even wish on my worst enemy. I know there's many others that disagree with me, but I do believe that legalization of hard, addictive drugs will end up creating addicts out of people who normally would not be that way, and that is why I do not support legalization of such substances. So, while you and I agree that hard drugs shouldn't be legal, our reasoning and our current philosphy regarding personal use of addictive and synthetic drugs could not be more different




Jimsuzo} I can understand your concerns as I too am a FORMER crack addict (so bad that at the age of 20 I was not only stealing from strangers but my own mom and dad). Both of us and the rest of the addicted population became addicted while these drugs were illegal correct?

So how can anyone think that by it being illegal it is helping anything (people get addicted to a drug because of a personality flaw not because its legal or in this case not)

I too after some long years, a couple trips to jail, caring friends and family, and a certain mushroom that we all have in common finally was able to kick the habit. I had done LSD and shrooms and Mesc. every now and then before I tried crack and loved them but it was so damn hard to find any by this time (age 17) that I then decided to give crack a try (BIG mistake).

It was'nt untill I met a friend in the boonies and was able to get my hands on some shrooms again that I was able to "see" exactly what the drug had been doing to me and within three months (tripping one or two times a month) I had quit crack and regained my pride,my humanity,and my self respect.

Now how many other crack,smack, and addicts in general COULD be helped if they (meaning drugs)were legalized? I can not say for sure as it has never been done but as I've seen from not only personal experience but from talking with other former addicts who have given up their addiction , that after the use of Shrooms or other hallucinogens I can with some confidence say that in my opinion the numbers would be that well over 75% Would be able to quit if they wanted to ( I have only known one person to date that has used psychedelics during his addiction that was unable to kick the habit and to be honest I simply dont think he was ready in his own mind to quit)

So as I have said before I will say this again.......If they legalize all drugs then yes undoubtedly some people will become addicted and yes many will die,its a fact of life. Who is to say that 90% of those same people would not have become addicted anyway even with them illegal? An addictive personality will be addictive no matter what the law.

And the rise in both addiction and death would eventualy start to lower and possibly stop someday because other less crippling drugs would be there to aid in the process of getting "clean". Or to do in the first place.

Alot of people that have never used crack or smack might (and I stress the point might) not ever get started using "hard" drugs if they were ALL legal. And those who did and wanted to quit would have legal access to the drugs and support they need to quit. And I say wanted because untill you WANT to quit you never will. No matter what support you get.

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: DailyPot]
    #1544976 - 05/13/03 11:57 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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A whole generation of people after the civil war were addicted terribly to heroin.



No they weren't. I think it was morphine and I think it was ww1 or ww2 but over 90% of the troops went from using it on a regular bases to going back to a completely normal (and drug free) life after the war. Very few kept using it.



You're right about it being morphine rather than heroin, but Alex was right about it being the Civil War. After the war, morphine addiction became known as "the Soldier's disease." They didn't just magically stop being addicted after the war was over.


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1544977 - 05/13/03 11:58 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Incidentally, what gives anyone the right to decide what others can and can't do as long as they harm no-one else? Mountaineering is dangerous - should we make that illegal because people harm themselves?

As Bill Hicks said - "It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom".


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: silversoul7]
    #1544990 - 05/13/03 12:03 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

You're right about it being morphine rather than heroin

To be honest I thought it was opium.


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: mycophat]
    #1545014 - 05/13/03 12:09 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Dialypot} I will try to answer your post in order...

I believe it may have been lodnum that everybody was talking about after the civil war. Lodnum was a opium/alcohol based tincture that almost everybody used at one point or another back then. Hell mothers used to put there babies to sleep with it.

And I'm not sure of where you stand on this...

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by keeping them illegal less people would use it and it wouldn't be an open thing.




And yes keeping them illegal keeps them from being so much of an open thing but it also is not correctly educating the public. This is not a fantasy world where as long as you keep your eyes closed "the boogy man "wont get you. The world needs to open its eyes and realize that there are a hell of a lot worse things out there then hippies and drugs.

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This about tripping, anyone know anyone that has had a bad trip their 1st time




Not right off the top of my head. But the state of mind of the person tripping is a major factor in the type of trip they have. If most of the world was not making such a big deal out of bad trips there would be less of a problem. People who trip the first time are more likely to have a bad trip if they have been scared by someone who has never done the drug and yet tells them..."I hope you dont have a bad trip... Ive heard you will see monsters and shit and never come out of it"

And before you say that people dont say things like that they do.

I myself on the other hand have never had a "bad" trip as I used to spike temps of well over 108 as a small child and would pluck the butterflies out of the air or flick boogies at the monster at the foot of my bed (tripping my ass of). So I have no fear towards the drug and the halucination that awaits.

So by making drugs illegal and creating a population of uninformed or uneducated people we create a bigger problem then if we just gave into the fact that there are drugs out there and since there is nothing anyone can do to stop that fact we might as well educate our people so at the very least they are not hurting themselves by lack thereof.

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1545284 - 05/13/03 01:35 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: silversoul7]
    #1545455 - 05/13/03 02:31 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think its good to be addicted and because of that this is a poor argument but its better to be hooked on legal drugs than illegal. Atleast its safer since you know what your getting and how much there is alot less health risk and if its legal it would be a fuck lot easier to be addicted and live a normal life since its acceptable and cheaper, and if you still have a normal life its a fuck lot easier to quit.

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You're right about it being morphine rather than heroin, but Alex was right about it being the Civil War.  After the war, morphine addiction became known as "the Soldier's disease."  They didn't just magically stop being addicted after the war was over. 



Wow, quoting your post w/ my quoted quote was complicated :smile:
I'll go try and find where I read it but I believe on Erowid it said that lots of solders were using it but after the war many quit using it without much trouble at all.

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And I'm not sure of where you stand on this...
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  by keeping them illegal less people would use it and it wouldn't be an open thing.



And yes keeping them illegal keeps them from being so much of an open thing but it also is not correctly educating the public. This is not a fantasy world where as long as you keep your eyes closed "the boogy man "wont get you. The world needs to open its eyes and realize that there are a hell of a lot worse things out there then hippies and drugs.



I know, but look at the begining of where you quoted me. I said I dont agree w/ someones possition on legalization but I understood it and was clearifing it for someone that said they didn't understand. I dont think they should be illegal and hiden either.

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Not right off the top of my head. But the state of mind of the person tripping is a major factor in the type of trip they have. If most of the world was not making such a big deal out of bad trips there would be less of a problem. People who trip the first time are more likely to have a bad trip if they have been scared by someone who has never done the drug and yet tells them..."I hope you dont have a bad trip... Ive heard you will see monsters and shit and never come out of it"

And before you say that people dont say things like that they do.

I myself on the other hand have never had a "bad" trip as I used to spike temps of well over 108 as a small child and would pluck the butterflies out of the air or flick boogies at the monster at the foot of my bed (tripping my ass of). So I have no fear towards the drug and the halucination that awaits.

So by making drugs illegal and creating a population of uninformed or uneducated people we create a bigger problem then if we just gave into the fact that there are drugs out there and since there is nothing anyone can do to stop that fact we might as well educate our people so at the very least they are not hurting themselves by lack thereof. 



Hehe, I completely agree w/ the last part. As for the rest I'm not saying trips should be illegal or saying what causes them, I was simply using that as an example to show that alot of times if you dont enjoy something your 1st time you wont do it again.

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Evolving]
    #1545784 - 05/13/03 04:19 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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Great quote :grin:

Also I found out it was Vietnam I was talking about.

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: mycophat]
    #1546103 - 05/13/03 06:02 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Mycophat,

It sounds like you and I have followed similar paths.  Glad we made it to the same place. :wink:

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It wasn't untill I met a friend in the boonies and was able to get my hands on some shrooms again that I was able to "see" exactly what the drug had been doing to me and within three months I had quit crack and regained my pride,my humanity,an my self respect.




I hear exactly what your saying.  That's why I definitely agree that LSD and shrooms should be legal.  Let there be no doubt on this part of the issue.  They're actually beneficial drugs (and they're fun as shit!)  The rest of the issue is clearly real tricky - opinions are deeply rooted and difficult to sway. Suffice it to say that if we can meet halfway it's better thanm not meeting at all, eh?

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If they legalize all drugs then yes undoubtedly some people will become addicted and yes many will die, its a fact of life 




I guess maybe one of my concerns is that one of these 'some people' ends up being my daughter or someon else I love. Believe me, my daughter will be, and in fact already is being taught which drugs are harmful and which are not (for the record pot is a plant, not a harmful drug in my house, shrooms are fungii, and it's perfectly natural (albeit illegal) to indulge in these gifts). Sometimes, however, it is still possible for well-educated people to be lead astray (i'd like to think I'm a good example).  People may come up with the foolish notion, "well it can't be THAT bad, otherwise it wouldn't be legal..." and so on.  My stance - and I've said this several times (sorry) - is that we legalize all natural, non-concentrated drugs (i.e. weed/shrooms) and yes, some synthetic drugs (LSD) that have proven not to be debilitating or addictive. We all know which drugs these are.  The 'line in the sand' is clear that way.  'Harmful' drugs that should be avoided and can cause irreperable damage in the average Joe Q. Citizen remain illegal.  Yes, we'll still have addicts with it as I envision, no question about it.  BUT, I do believe we'd have more addicts - regardless of drug education - with legalization of smack/coke. IMO, Just one more addict could be too many if that person turns out to be someone you love.

peace -
 


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1546455 - 05/13/03 08:23 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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And there is little reason to expect anything different from the Clinton administration's January 1997 announcement that it will spend $1 million to review all the evidence on the medical benefits of marijuana. The problem is that no Congress or president has ever had the guts to follow through on the recommendations of independent commissions assigned to balance the risks and harms of marijuana with the risks and harms of marijuana policies. It's still impossible, for instance, for any government official to speak out publicly about the difference between responsible and irresponsible use of marijuana, as they would with alcohol. All marijuana use is defined as drug abuse--notwithstanding extensive evidence that most marijuana users suffer little if any harm. That position may be intellectually and scientifically indefensible, but those in government regard it as politically and legally obligatory.



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