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should LSD be legal
    #1534843 - 05/09/03 04:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

http://slate.msn.com/id/2082647/??PS=9621

I never thought I'd see anything like this on msn


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1534848 - 05/09/03 04:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ALL drugs should be legal.


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1534876 - 05/09/03 04:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I agree....the chemical agents that scientists are having the doctors push on us are legal....either outlaw *everything* or nothing....no favoritism for big business


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1534982 - 05/09/03 04:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think all drugs should be legal also but since they're not it might not be the best idea to legalize everything at once. I say legalize it in steps over a period of time, whatever it takes for society to stablize w/ drugs.


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: DailyPot]
    #1534987 - 05/09/03 04:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

But yes LSD and the softer drugs should be legal on the spot.


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: DailyPot]
    #1534990 - 05/09/03 04:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

great article, especially since it's on msn. :laugh:


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1535069 - 05/09/03 05:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

all psychedelics should be legal. cannabis too.

i can sympathize with those who say that 'hard' drugs should remain illegal, but i still think they're wrong.

when it comes to the entheogens though, there's just no debate.


Edited by Anonymous (05/09/03 05:20 PM)


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: ]
    #1535177 - 05/09/03 05:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't give a fuck bout any other drug except shrooms. Do what they want to everything else but legalize shrooms for christ's sake


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1535260 - 05/09/03 06:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, great article.

I'm curious as to how many of us have experienced the 'beneficial' aspects of LSD. Aside from drastically altering my social and political perspectives - which obviously hasn't happened to everyone and could be considered by some to be not necessarily beneficial - LSD, without question, cured my 5+ year addiction to cocaine. Several sources have also alluded to LSD as having a positive effect for recovering from alcoholism. Has anyone else had similar experiences of LSD use modifying behaviour in a positive manner?


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1535294 - 05/09/03 06:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent article..nice find. Thanks!


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1535334 - 05/09/03 07:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

W :laugh: W


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Rono]
    #1535355 - 05/09/03 07:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Decriminalization would atleast be a step in the right direction, not legal, but no punishment unless you cause some kind of problem, I would prefer legalizing everything...one myth about drugs is that they make you commit crimes to pay for them and support your habit....bullshit....you break into a house because you are to F@#%'n lazy to show up for work and you let that habit get the better of you...
do it on acid....you wont be able to tear yourself away from the painting on the wall...or more often than not...the wall paper....how many people have held up a liquor store while tripping on anything....none...the grass is more interesting than money...if you kill someone while you are tripping and driving...life sentance for murder. The drugs were just a factor in the accident or whatever...LSD is one of the safest drugs known....how many people do you know that want to drive on it....

JIMSUZO: I refer to a friend, J, I purchased severalvials of liquid, I tested a theory I had using him, behavior modification, J, was a moderate psychotic, prone to fits of violence many resulting in harm to himself and others. over a 3 year span I dosed him once every 2 weeks with just a drop, sometimes with 2 just for his enjoyment....within 7 months there was a noticable change, outbursts became less violent and eventualy became very peaceful....a side effect it had was to oust his migrains.....he had been on some drugs for years to deal with them...Busphar or something...cant remember, but after 7 years I am the only person he has hit in an angered state....periodicly I provoke him.

With myself, I suffer from cluster headaches, have since I was a kid, my grandmother had given me something when I was 15 to remedy it, I took it and for several weeks I had no headaches, a few years later I had run out and asked her for a little more, she told me what to get....pasture mushrooms that turn blue and willow bark...damn indians....I have also used LSD to some extent to assist, it helps but isnt as effective....is has changed my disposition a great deal...

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1535359 - 05/09/03 07:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

oh...Write your elected officials and pester the hell out of them to make sure they get this passed...1 letter a month from 24000 people will start something...it will make people take notice...if it passes....never let the put a time limitation on it and never let it be repealed....


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1535372 - 05/09/03 07:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

you kick ass


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1535410 - 05/09/03 07:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I also suffer from cluster headaches. At least I did until I discovered that psilocybin and LSD are (to date) the most effective known treatment for them. Check my profile.

Here in the Dominican Republic, the traditional Curanderos living in the more rural areas have been treating migraines and presumably cluster headaches as well (but NOT regular headaches -- it doesn't work) for as long as anyone can remember with a tea made fron the local psilocybes.

I find it interesting that in your case LSD was less effective than mushrooms. From the limited reports we have from clusterheads who have tried LSD rather than mushrooms, it appears that LSD is more effective. However, we have reports from a mere handful who have tried LSD, and several dozen who have tried mushrooms, so it may be that with a larger sample size the two would even out.

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Phred]
    #1535443 - 05/09/03 07:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

for me it was using less than half a dose for each...proportionaly the same, not enough to trip from but enough to notice it was in your system...as a full dose, LSD is more effective, the effects were longer lasting in that it took longer for them to return...I swear by it...also many other things my grandmother taught me.
Currently, I speak with a doctor of Chinese medicine, He teaches at a large University, we exchange methods and techniques, many are quite similar in ingredients and effects....LSD and Psilocybin still have everything beat

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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1535733 - 05/09/03 10:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Heh. NO. LSD should NOT be legal.

Consider that something like 75% of the United States population cant even find the U.S. on a world map.

And you want these people dosing themselves with hundreds of thousands of mikes of acid at the corner liquor store?

Thats a GREAT idea.....


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1535743 - 05/09/03 10:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So just because people are stupid we should lock people up for having drugs? There are stupid people who do LSD anyway. Most drinkers won't be interested in LSD anyway.


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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1535902 - 05/09/03 11:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I kind of see your point about the problems with selling LSD at your corner liquor store, but I don't think that's exactly whats being advocated here. One major problem with current policy towards LSD is that ANY use - be it recreational, therapeutical, or for research purposes by licensed practitioners - is illegal. To the best of my knowledge, you can't even study the shit legally under laboratory conditions. That's clearly the wrong policy given the potential that LSD and psychedlics in general have shown in helping people overcome chemical addictions, treating personality disorders, spiritual enlightenment, and for treating physical maladies such as those mentioned by other posts in this thread. It should at the very least be changed from a classification that designates it as having NO valid medical use (schedule I) to a classification that reflects the fact that it indeed has legitimate value to society.

Damn good post, Prisoner 1. I've been thinking about this awhile and for what its worth, you've motivated me to write my congressman.



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Re: should LSD be legal [Re: jimsuzo]
    #1535909 - 05/09/03 11:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Mmm...I can buy having LSD legal for medicinal purposes, or research, or whatever. But it seems to me that an awful lot of you are advocating blanket legalization.

And I stand by my statement that such a thing would not be good....


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