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InvisibleSimplepowa
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Stop Harper's cruel crime bill - AVAAZ
    #15336390 - 11/07/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

In days, Harper will try to push through a crime law that could drastically raise our taxes and dole out harsher punishments for pot smokers than pedophiles -- but Quebec and Ontario have refused to pay for the bad law. Together, we can stand with them and call on every province to ditch the crime bill and protect Canadians from useless expenses.

Crime rates in Canada have been falling steadily for over a decade yet Harper insists on spending our money to lock up our most vulnerable citizens like youth and aboriginals. Spending billions on bad crime laws means that our taxes will rise or valuable social programs like Employment Insurance will be cut. Quebec and Ontario have already said they won’t pay and now we can sign this petition telling our Premiers to join them in protecting us from this bill.

Texas blew billions on a crime fighting system that didn’t work and now Harper wants to do the same in Canada -- but we can still stop him. Let's ditch the crime bill by signing this petition calling on our Premiers to stand with Quebec, Ontario and Canadian taxpayers. Click to the right to be heard and forward to everyone.

SIGN THE PETITION

http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_harpers_cruel_crime_bill/


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Edited by Simplepowa (11/07/11 02:19 PM)

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Simplepowa]
    #15336408 - 11/07/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I signed it.  Fuck Harper.  What a fucking piece of shit.

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #15336776 - 11/07/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I fucking hate Harper.

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: felix4life]
    #15336789 - 11/07/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So I think this is the wrong thread for me to express my political opinion lol.


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Patlal]
    #15336837 - 11/07/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, if you can state what you think in an intelligent and non-aggressive manner I'd be more than happy to read it, think about it, and if it convinces me; adopt it.

Feel free friend, this is a forum about magic mushrooms after all, everyone is welcome to their opinions.

Not to mention, I'd love to see more sides to the story.

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: RourkeAnderson]
    #15336948 - 11/07/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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RourkeAnderson said:
Well, if you can state what you think in an intelligent and non-aggressive manner I'd be more than happy to read it, think about it, and if it convinces me; adopt it.

Feel free friend, this is a forum about magic mushrooms after all, everyone is welcome to their opinions.

Not to mention, I'd love to see more sides to the story.




Read some of my past threads, you'll have plenty of my opinions


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Patlal]
    #15337023 - 11/07/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You've never said anything (that I've read) pertaining specifically to this retarded bill.  Can you tell me how you feel about it?  I'm curious.  Even if I disagree, you generally have some well thought out points.

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #15337072 - 11/07/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah; I'd like to hear your thoughts on this bill itself; I'm not the most caught up in politics so I'd be more than open to hear about them. (Not a fan of Harper, but more because thats the popular view at the moment)

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: RourkeAnderson]
    #15337161 - 11/07/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm an american, can I sign it anyway?

Fuck Harper. What a scumbag.


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: RourkeAnderson]
    #15337168 - 11/07/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No idea who Harper is...but back my canadian friends just across the border from me!

  I get smoked out every time I play softball up there, thank you!


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Mushie23]
    #15337228 - 11/07/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Harper is a reformer, ideology drives him. What we as citizens want or need, or what is best, has no bearing. This law is proof of that and he will ram it down our throats regardless of all the petitions we sign.

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Culland]
    #15337319 - 11/07/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Culland said:
Harper is a reformer, ideology drives him. What we as citizens want or need, or what is best, has no bearing. This law is proof of that and he will ram it down our throats regardless of all the petitions we sign.




True unfortunately.

It's really a shame that this government has so much power to make sweeping changes with only 39% support from the voting public(19% support from the general public).

Signed anyways tho.


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: RourkeAnderson]
    #15337362 - 11/07/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
You've never said anything (that I've read) pertaining specifically to this retarded bill.  Can you tell me how you feel about it?  I'm curious.  Even if I disagree, you generally have some well thought out points.



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RourkeAnderson said:
Yeah; I'd like to hear your thoughts on this bill itself; I'm not the most caught up in politics so I'd be more than open to hear about them. (Not a fan of Harper, but more because thats the popular view at the moment)




Well, personally I am a great supporter of the conservative government. Although I have to say that I only agree with 50% of the bill.

The bill has been proposed as an ideal in the party lines of the conservatives and has been campaigned on during the elections. Toughening up the criminal system in Canada was something that had to be done for a long long time, but I don't agree with the drug aspect. It is outdated.

But again, the campaign was built around it. Harper as kept pretty much all of the promises he made during his campaign, which is very very rare for a politician. The conservatives are a surprise free, predictable government that makes well thought out decisions.

The crime bill toughens the system mostly for white collar crime, human trafficking, pedophilia, anti-terrorism and hard drugs such as cocaine. Sadly, marijuana took a hit too, which I find retarded. The rest of the bill is necessary and has been needed for a long time.

As for the prisons, well its easy, if the crimes I mentioned early gets harsher sentences, the criminals will spend more time in jail which will take up more space in the current prisons. Which is why, new prisons will be needed.

What sucks is that marijuana charges will make a shit ton more useless prisoners. It will crowd up the new jails and make Harper look good because his new jail will be used to capacity...

I am pretty sure that the provinces opposes that bill because of marijuana. They will end up paying for it even if they don't agree so...

Hopefully the bill will be amended and leave marijuana charges as they currently are.


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Patlal]
    #15337885 - 11/07/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:eyescirclinginhead:

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Konyap]
    #15338060 - 11/07/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It sucks that drug laws will be more stringent, but if it keeps violent offenders and other psycho motherfuckers off the streets for longer, I'm 100% for it.

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Katzenjammer]
    #15338252 - 11/07/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

^yeah but Harper could pass 9 different bills for 9 different subjects and not do an omnibus crime bill with all of these and try to rush it! This is absurd!

They all need sensitive debate and he tries to limit it the most he can... :sad:


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Patlal]
    #15338259 - 11/07/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

pwnasaurus said:
You've never said anything (that I've read) pertaining specifically to this retarded bill.  Can you tell me how you feel about it?  I'm curious.  Even if I disagree, you generally have some well thought out points.



Quote:

RourkeAnderson said:
Yeah; I'd like to hear your thoughts on this bill itself; I'm not the most caught up in politics so I'd be more than open to hear about them. (Not a fan of Harper, but more because thats the popular view at the moment)




Well, personally I am a great supporter of the conservative government. Although I have to say that I only agree with 50% of the bill.

The bill has been proposed as an ideal in the party lines of the conservatives and has been campaigned on during the elections. Toughening up the criminal system in Canada was something that had to be done for a long long time, but I don't agree with the drug aspect. It is outdated.

But again, the campaign was built around it. Harper as kept pretty much all of the promises he made during his campaign, which is very very rare for a politician. The conservatives are a surprise free, predictable government that makes well thought out decisions.

The crime bill toughens the system mostly for white collar crime, human trafficking, pedophilia, anti-terrorism and hard drugs such as cocaine. Sadly, marijuana took a hit too, which I find retarded. The rest of the bill is necessary and has been needed for a long time.

As for the prisons, well its easy, if the crimes I mentioned early gets harsher sentences, the criminals will spend more time in jail which will take up more space in the current prisons. Which is why, new prisons will be needed.

What sucks is that marijuana charges will make a shit ton more useless prisoners. It will crowd up the new jails and make Harper look good because his new jail will be used to capacity...

I am pretty sure that the provinces opposes that bill because of marijuana. They will end up paying for it even if they don't agree so...

Hopefully the bill will be amended and leave marijuana charges as they currently are.



A very well thought out reply, however the courts are already beginning to crowd and very serious cases such as my friend's possession and trafficking of marijuana and cocaine charges which were just recently dropped due to the courts being booked up years in advance. The papers don't usually print that kind of thing.

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: HardTrippin]
    #15339745 - 11/08/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Let's go Harper! My vote at work!


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Chemical_Sandman]
    #15339914 - 11/08/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

To be fair you need to look at everything that is in this bill and it is not just drug offences it addresses. There are minimum sentences put on sex, violent and serious offences, tougher penalties for sexual offences against children, stiffer sentences for violent and repeat young offenders among a slew of other things. 

The snti crime bill protesters say "In days, Harper will try to push through a crime law that could drastically raise our taxes and dole out harsher punishments for pot smokers than pedophiles"  And that is not the truth at all.  Yes, there are harsher punishments and minimums for pot which I think is wrong, but there are tougher punishments for pedophiles in this bill.

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Patlal]
    #15339947 - 11/08/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

pwnasaurus said:
You've never said anything (that I've read) pertaining specifically to this retarded bill.  Can you tell me how you feel about it?  I'm curious.  Even if I disagree, you generally have some well thought out points.



Quote:

RourkeAnderson said:
Yeah; I'd like to hear your thoughts on this bill itself; I'm not the most caught up in politics so I'd be more than open to hear about them. (Not a fan of Harper, but more because thats the popular view at the moment)




Well, personally I am a great supporter of the conservative government. Although I have to say that I only agree with 50% of the bill.

The bill has been proposed as an ideal in the party lines of the conservatives and has been campaigned on during the elections. Toughening up the criminal system in Canada was something that had to be done for a long long time, but I don't agree with the drug aspect. It is outdated.

But again, the campaign was built around it. Harper as kept pretty much all of the promises he made during his campaign, which is very very rare for a politician. The conservatives are a surprise free, predictable government that makes well thought out decisions.

The crime bill toughens the system mostly for white collar crime, human trafficking, pedophilia, anti-terrorism and hard drugs such as cocaine. Sadly, marijuana took a hit too, which I find retarded. The rest of the bill is necessary and has been needed for a long time.

As for the prisons, well its easy, if the crimes I mentioned early gets harsher sentences, the criminals will spend more time in jail which will take up more space in the current prisons. Which is why, new prisons will be needed.

What sucks is that marijuana charges will make a shit ton more useless prisoners. It will crowd up the new jails and make Harper look good because his new jail will be used to capacity...

I am pretty sure that the provinces opposes that bill because of marijuana. They will end up paying for it even if they don't agree so...

Hopefully the bill will be amended and leave marijuana charges as they currently are.




Drug elitist wants "hard drug" users to go to jail.:facepalm:

It's all OK though because at least he "wont get surprised".


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Heffy]
    #15341480 - 11/08/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

^ :ilold: too.

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The crime bill toughens the system mostly for white collar crime, human trafficking, pedophilia, anti-terrorism and hard drugs such as cocaine. Sadly, marijuana took a hit too, which I find retarded.




If the person doing cocaine hurt nobody, what does it change to you? Why do you want the people doing "hard drug" (I don't like this wording) in jail?

:dudewtf:


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Simplepowa]
    #15341546 - 11/08/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Simplepowa said:
^ :ilold: too.

Quote:

The crime bill toughens the system mostly for white collar crime, human trafficking, pedophilia, anti-terrorism and hard drugs such as cocaine. Sadly, marijuana took a hit too, which I find retarded.




If the person doing cocaine hurt nobody, what does it change to you? Why do you want the people doing "hard drug" (I don't like this wording) in jail?

:dudewtf:




Super addictive, can kill you easily with OD, expensive, surrounded with more violence, etc.


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Patlal]
    #15341562 - 11/08/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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surrounded with more violence




because of the black market, this is all.

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Super addictive, can kill you easily with OD




Invest in drug education, not prohibition... etc etc. All the thing you can read on any drug website will tell you otherwise: don't jail non-offensive drug user.

Hasn't there enough evidences?


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Robert Pirsig - "When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."

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Brian Cox - "[One] problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense."

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Simplepowa]
    #15341627 - 11/08/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Simplepowa said:
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surrounded with more violence




because of the black market, this is all.





True. But it still is a reality.

It shouldn't be, but it is.


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Super addictive, can kill you easily with OD




Invest in drug education, not prohibition... etc etc. All the thing you can read on any drug website will tell you otherwise: don't jail non-offensive drug user.

Hasn't there enough evidences?




Do you know a crackhead that looks healthy and functions properly? A smack addict that can live a day without heroin?

I am more drug educated than 95% of people and probably as drug educated as you. I just choose to look at the reality and not just the ideology.

Now don't get me wrong here. The experience is awesome, its the abuse that tarnishes the image of drugs.


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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Patlal]
    #15341685 - 11/08/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

^But legal or illegal, people in prison or not, I look at the reality and people will still use drug tomorrow.

And abuse of anything will lead to bad result: nicotine, ethanol, acetaminophen if you want to put it there, alright! Cocaine, heroin, etc too!

I just don't see how these people needing help, the "crackhead" or "smack addict" like you call them, would rehabilitate themselves better in prison without any medical supervision or help from an xyz worker?

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Robert Pirsig - "When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."

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Brian Cox - "[One] problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense."

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Re: Stop Harper's cruel crime bill [Re: Patlal]
    #15341745 - 11/08/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You ever use cocaine or heroin? Why would you want people to go to jail for putting a substance into their body? If they are violent,steal, etc put them in jail for that. Don't put them in jail for responsible use. I was able to use cocaine and heroin and not devolop a dependancy, responsible users do exist and it is obscene to punish them.


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