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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #15275612 - 10/25/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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you couldn't be more wrong. indigenous cultures learned how to use an maoi inhibiter directly from the plant itself.



And Idono how terrence could know this? Everything i've heard is that the -Plants- (that's plural) told them how to make the connection..
They couldnt possibly (according to the evidence we have) have had a DMT trip that told them to mix an MAOI with it, if that's what you're suggesting there..

It was other plants (probably the mushroom, which these tribes dont bother using cause they have Ayahuasca, and even some brews have mushrooms in them..) that showed them this.. And by all means it could have been through internal meditative communication with the plants.. (ie. without ingesting anything..)

Something else I'd like to note-
People have mystical psychedelic experiences quite often without ingesting anything as well..
Often considered the sheer power of belief, the subconscious mind creating the spiritual effects one would
unconsciously expect- And the brain just manfests them.. ei. Your imagination.. And illusory creation of expectation.. Self fulfilling prophecy got thrown around..

Or sincere direct intuitive communication without ingestion of plants...


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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #15278064 - 10/25/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Until more info surfaces, we all come to our own conclusions.




I know how you feel about Clark Heinrich...  But, what did you think about John Allegro's The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross??





Jesus might be a composite character like Albert Schweitzer concluded at the turn of the century in his book Quest for the Historical Jesus, or like Freke & Gandy maintain in their books, but not because the biblical stories are metaphors for a Amanita muscaria cultus. Andrija Puharich learned Egyptian hieroglyphics in order to prove that ancient Egyptians also maintained a similarcultus. http://www.philipcoppens.com/mushrooms.html I think the attributing of biblical or Egyptian myth to the mushroom, disregards the states of consciousness from which these archetypal themes emerge. Even if the mushroom was used as a sacrament, the material host in Christianity (the Bread) is not more important than the Christ, spiritually taken. A sacrament is a key to a door, the door leads to a new space - a sacred space. When Jesus is alleged to have said in John 10:9: "I AM the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." It seems evident that Amanitas were used in some Christian rituals.  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm ; This does not reduce (in typically reductionistic, and scientifically materialistic fashion) the spiritual meaning of Christ ('anointed,' as in enlightened) to  a material 'key' to the doorway into Christ [Consciousness].


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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #15278067 - 10/25/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Until more info surfaces, we all come to our own conclusions.




I know how you feel about Clark Heinrich...  But, what did you think about John Allegro's The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross??





Jesus might be a composite character like Albert Schweitzer concluded at the turn of the last century in his book Quest for the Historical Jesus, or like Freke & Gandy maintain in their books, but not because the biblical stories are metaphors for a Amanita muscaria cultus. Andrija Puharich learned Egyptian hieroglyphics in order to prove that ancient Egyptians also maintained a similar cultus. http://www.philipcoppens.com/mushrooms.html I think the attributing of biblical or Egyptian myth to the mushroom, disregards the states of consciousness from which these archetypal themes emerge. Even if the mushroom was used as a sacrament, the material host in Christianity (the Bread) is not more important than the Christ, spiritually taken. A sacrament is a key to a door, the door leads to a new space - a sacred space. When Jesus is alleged to have said in John 10:9: "I AM the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." It seems evident that Amanitas were used in some Christian rituals.  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm ; This does not reduce (in typically reductionistic, and scientifically materialistic fashion) the spiritual meaning of Christ ('anointed,' as in enlightened) to  a material 'key' to the doorway into Christ [Consciousness].


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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #15283858 - 10/26/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I think the attributing of biblical or Egyptian myth to the mushroom, disregards the states of consciousness from which these archetypal themes emerge. Even if the mushroom was used as a sacrament, the material host in Christianity (the Bread) is not more important than the Christ, spiritually taken. A sacrament is a key to a door, the door leads to a new space - a sacred space. When Jesus is alleged to have said in John 10:9: "I AM the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." It seems evident that Amanitas were used in some Christian rituals.  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm ; This does not reduce (in typically reductionistic, and scientifically materialistic fashion) the spiritual meaning of Christ ('anointed,' as in enlightened) to  a material 'key' to the doorway into Christ [Consciousness].





Interesting and well said.


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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: soldatheero]
    #15290739 - 10/28/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, interesting, the original habitat range of Sirian Rue, is from Morroco to Manchuria..

So by all means, there was harmaline available.. hrmmm...

But not the Ayahuasca vine as far as I can find..


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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: FunkMasterShroom]
    #15305925 - 10/31/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, interesting, the original habitat range of Sirian Rue, is from Morroco to Manchuria..

So by all means, there was harmaline available.. hrmmm...

But not the Ayahuasca vine as far as I can find..




how did you find that out?
and once again how is everyone so sure the actual vine itself wasn't available in the habitat at that time?

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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: Poptart]
    #15323560 - 11/04/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

...why is everyone dodging my question?

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    #15323666 - 11/04/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: HigherConsciousnes]
    #15325956 - 11/05/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

WORD^

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...why is everyone dodging my question?




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Banisteriopsis caapi, also known as Ayahuasca, Caapi or Yage, is a South American jungle vine of the family Malpighiaceae. It is used to prepare Ayahuasca, a decoction that has a long history of entheogenic uses as a medicine and "plant teacher" among the indigenous peoples of the Amazon Rainforest.
-wiki




How are we supposed to know where this actual last supper takes place (mythology building on mythology) and how would we know if it was once a jungle or rainforest??  Do you??

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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #15326211 - 11/05/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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WORD^

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...why is everyone dodging my question?




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Banisteriopsis caapi, also known as Ayahuasca, Caapi or Yage, is a South American jungle vine of the family Malpighiaceae. It is used to prepare Ayahuasca, a decoction that has a long history of entheogenic uses as a medicine and "plant teacher" among the indigenous peoples of the Amazon Rainforest.
-wiki




How are we supposed to know where this actual last supper takes place (mythology building on mythology) and how would we know if it was once a jungle or rainforest??  Do you??

?




That's my point you all are shooting down my idea but at the same time you pretend like you know all the anwsers. I'm just speculating here. I'm more just basing this theory on intuition. I'm just trying to get you guys to open yourself up to the possibility.

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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: Poptart]
    #15326372 - 11/05/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Poptart said:
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FishOilTheKid said:
WORD^

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...why is everyone dodging my question?




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Banisteriopsis caapi, also known as Ayahuasca, Caapi or Yage, is a South American jungle vine of the family Malpighiaceae. It is used to prepare Ayahuasca, a decoction that has a long history of entheogenic uses as a medicine and "plant teacher" among the indigenous peoples of the Amazon Rainforest.
-wiki




How are we supposed to know where this actual last supper takes place (mythology building on mythology) and how would we know if it was once a jungle or rainforest??  Do you??

?




That's my point you all are shooting down my idea but at the same time you pretend like you know all the anwsers. I'm just speculating here. I'm more just basing this theory on intuition. I'm just trying to get you guys to open yourself up to the possibility.



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The ruse failed.  Christians, hated and despised, were hauled forth and slain in their thousands.  The cult will nigh perished.  What eventually took its place was a travesty of the real thing, a mockery of the power that could raise men to heaven and give them the glimpse of God for which they gladly died.  The story of the rabbi crucified at the instigation of the Jews became an historical peg upon which the new cult's authority was founded.  What began as a hoax became a trap even to those who believed themselves to be the spiritual heirs of the mystery religion and took to themselves the name of "Christian."  Above all they forgot, or purged from the cult and their memories, the one supreme secret on which their whole religious and ecstatic eperience depended: the names and identity of the source of the drug, the key to heaven - the sacred mushroom.
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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: soldatheero]
    #15326478 - 11/05/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks.


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Re: I'm 99% sure the sacremental cup at the last supper was ayahuasca [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #15326512 - 11/05/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Markos?  Not to derail or take things too off topic but...

I was reading that 'Food of the Gods?' Philip Coppens article in one of the links that you posted and it mentions the Elysian Mysteries.

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From a hidden, central room in the temple, a substance derived from mushrooms was given to the participant. They remained in the temple for the duration of one night, but left in the morning, “forever changed”.




In your World how reliable is this belief or assertion??

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