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Invisibleshroomiin
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Popcorn as a substrate
    #15322447 - 11/04/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

what do you guys think about using popcorn as a substrate. Is it outdated? not as good as grains?


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: shroomiin]
    #15322459 - 11/04/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I've heard that it's tough to get the moisture level right but other than that I'm sure it works great. I've been wanting to try it out for a while now.


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: shroomiin]
    #15322496 - 11/04/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

popcorn sucks, get some wbs or rye they are cheap


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: shroomiin]
    #15322500 - 11/04/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Popcorn was ok, had to soak it for 24 hrs (to get into the core) used the same as a rye tek.


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: Alien]
    #15322534 - 11/04/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Not a big fan of popcorn.. less inoculation points, has a tendency to ferment quickly while soaking (smelly), and proved to be an all around poor choice for grain spawn to me...

I used organic rye for the longest time, but have found a great supply of Red Wheat (horse feed) at my local feed store.. I would recommend rye or wheat over popcorn...


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: Smokey-hitz]
    #15322560 - 11/04/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

A quick search posts using the link above at the center of the page and the word 'popcorn' revealed my feelings on the matter.  It would be just as easy to use the 'trusted cultivator' filter for your answer.  Asking the question again is likely to just get you more bad advice.

Once again, here's just a few links from page one of over 20 pages from the search results.
RR

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6741554#6741554

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4898318#4898318

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6286243#6286243

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5694066#5694066

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12776091#12776091

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6503614#6503614

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13135792#13135792

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6745645#6745645

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14807403#14807403

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11396821#11396821

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9482531#9482531

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9443502#9443502

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7648375#7648375

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6763470#6763470

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6064547#6064547

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5898706#5898706

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5769689#5769689

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4126782#4126782

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10476016#10476016


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15324405 - 11/04/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

popcorn is easy to use dont be fooled, if you know the proper tek. If you would like i could write up a easy tek that works. thing with popcorn is its best used by itself cased in trays, its not good for bulk. It has its advantages just as it has its disadvantages, just because 1 guy says its not good for him doesnt mean its not good for the next guy....


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Edited by BOOMS111 (11/04/11 09:30 PM)


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: BOOMS111]
    #15324502 - 11/04/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I would be interested in that Tek


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: Jack Sparrow]
    #15324676 - 11/04/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

since im getting PM on how to use popcorn ill write it up quick.

first off no soak...just rinse the popcorn off then put in PC for 45 minutes at 15psi. use 3x water as corn. After PC is cool strain out popcorn lay it out and dry it with paper towels. It doesnt  have to be all the way dry . then load it up into your jars with proper made lids and cover lids with foil. PC jars for 45 minutes at 15psi again then when cool ready for inoculation. once jars 100% colonized then put take popcorn out of jars and put in trays with a casing layer and cover with foil, poke couple holes in foil. wait about a 5-7 days until see mycellium coming threw casing then patch mycellium then put in FC. super easy and works.


also asked about advantages/disadvantages well the advantage it has over pftek is yield. over monotubs the advantage is like i said popcorn is best used in trays cased so the waiting period from birth to actual having fruit is quicker by alittle. the disadvantage popcorn has is the number of inoculation points it has for bulk grows.

popcorn has its place(cased trays). thats just what i think but what do i know....


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: BOOMS111]
    #15324694 - 11/04/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hey RR thanks for these links,
I have been looking around for info on popcorn for weeks and it's nice to have all of these in one place.


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15325015 - 11/05/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Nice links, I edited based on a bad comment


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Edited by Alien (11/05/11 07:43 AM)


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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: Alien]
    #15325711 - 11/05/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Even with a 2 hour sterilization at 20 psi, popcorn will have a much higher rate of contamination than any other grain.  Expect to lose about ten percent or more of your jars to bacteria.  This is the reason I blew it off many years ago when it was the fad here and on other boards.  It's not that it 'never' works, it's just that other grains work better and have a far higher success ratio.

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just because 1 guy says its not good for him doesnt mean its not good for the next guy....




Members here over the years have averaged worse than a 50% failure rate with popcorn, so it isn't 1 guy saying this.  I had only a ten percent fail rate, but I use a laminar flow hood, a proper lab, tyvek sleeves, surgical masks, etc., that most members don't have access to.

As I've said before, if you live in a country where corn is all you can get, use it but expect a higher rate of bacteria contamination than with other grains, and disregard the part about a 45 minute sterilization.  That won't even heat up the inside of the jar to sterilization temperature for the required 20 minutes that 'science' says you need to kill bacteria.  You need to at least double it.  I used 2 hours in order to reduce the fail rate to ten percent, but that's a far lower rate than most members got, thus they've blown it off in favor of more suitable grains.
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Re: Popcorn as a substrate [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15326434 - 11/05/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I agree and disagree but depends on what you did RR. I assume you soaked? I soaked mine for 24 hours to get the core soft, 100% of my jars worked. I only PC'd for 60 mins, I just didn't like using it, as you can see the popularity died off. My next idea is to try sugar cane, but not sure how that will work.


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