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Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? * 1
    #15314620 - 11/02/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers] * 1
    #15314729 - 11/02/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

He is a swell guy, I like him.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: usulpsychonaut] * 1
    #15315390 - 11/02/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Just to see what happens.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: The_Aviator] * 3
    #15315407 - 11/02/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

FREE CHARLES!!


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: pescadorabioso] * 2
    #15316471 - 11/03/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Poor fucker probably couldn't function outside.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: towagh_wayhut]
    #15365835 - 11/13/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

As much as I think he's an interesting person and would kinda like to see him free, I really don't think he could be trusted at all to not do something crazy again. So no.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: shadowplay]
    #15366065 - 11/13/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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As much as I think he's an interesting person and would kinda like to see him free, I really don't think he could be trusted at all to not do something crazy again. So no.




After spending the majority of his life in solitary confinement, what in the world wouldn't stop him from doing something idiosyncratic?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: pescadorabioso] * 3
    #15395503 - 11/19/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

How is he even still in jail if he never killed anyone?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #15395520 - 11/19/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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How is he even still in jail if he never killed anyone?



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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers] * 2
    #15395937 - 11/19/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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How is he even still in jail if he never killed anyone?





Conspiracy to commit murder...


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers] * 1
    #15397183 - 11/20/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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How is he even still in jail if he never killed anyone?




Did Hitler kill anyone?  No.  But he had other people kill for him.  Same goes for Chuckles. 
















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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Learyfan]
    #15399379 - 11/20/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hitler personally killed members of the SA.

So technically he did kill people.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: withoutawire]
    #15399483 - 11/20/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think society would agree with his release and I'm sure he would get attacked by a pack of lactating soccer moms.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Tim-E] * 2
    #15399581 - 11/20/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Nah, he's good where he is.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Evil Toadstool]
    #15419016 - 11/24/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If he got his hands on some doses who knows what would happen...


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: devoured]
    #15426814 - 11/26/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

he would simply kill too many people if he was released.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Evil Toadstool] * 2
    #15446854 - 11/30/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: NetDiver]
    #15463804 - 12/04/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

He wouldn't last a week if he was released.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Shu]
    #15463858 - 12/04/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Why should Charlie Manson have to go through the stress of commiteing a new crime to go back to prison if he was released, when he could just stay where he is at in prison.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #15466856 - 12/04/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

He shouldnt be in prison to begin with.

If you watch his interviews he is quite convincing. He seems like a cool guy who just got caught up in the governments bullshit and used as an "example" for what the possible dangers of the counterculture movement could represent. He was and is just a tool used by the government  to put down a movement.

Its pretty crazy though to think he was trippin the whole time all of this happened lol.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15467432 - 12/04/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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He shouldnt be in prison to begin with.

If you watch his interviews he is quite convincing. He seems like a cool guy who just got caught up in the governments bullshit and used as an "example" for what the possible dangers of the counterculture movement could represent. He was and is just a tool used by the government  to put down a movement.

Its pretty crazy though to think he was trippin the whole time all of this happened lol.






Ugh. God damn hippies and their manson didn't orchestrate murder ridiculousness.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown] * 1
    #15469607 - 12/05/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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He shouldnt be in prison to begin with.

If you watch his interviews he is quite convincing. He seems like a cool guy who just got caught up in the governments bullshit and used as an "example" for what the possible dangers of the counterculture movement could represent. He was and is just a tool used by the government  to put down a movement.

Its pretty crazy though to think he was trippin the whole time all of this happened lol.




You would change your mind instantly if Charles Manson told them to kill someone in your family. For some people, they never really can understand murder, untill it happens to them.
Charles Manson is where he belongs. In custody.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #15469644 - 12/05/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Nah, fuck Manson. He totally fucked up the validity of the psychedelic movement in the 60's because he was affiliated with the "counter culture" and took LSD, and because of that propaganda spewing idiots were saying that taking LSD can lead to murdering people because of Manson.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #15469832 - 12/05/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Manson was a beatnik not a hippie. And have any of you guys actually seen his interviews?

The government has done far worse than set people up to destroy a movement.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15469869 - 12/05/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Manson was a beatnik not a hippie. And have any of you guys actually seen his interviews?

The government has done far worse than set people up to destroy a movement.




Look up the show "Manson" that aired on the History Channel. It might be on YouTube. Watch that, he brainwashed his "followers" and got them to commit the murders.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #15469913 - 12/05/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Manson was a beatnik not a hippie. And have any of you guys actually seen his interviews?

The government has done far worse than set people up to destroy a movement.




Look up the show "Manson" that aired on the History Channel. It might be on YouTube. Watch that, he brainwashed his "followers" and got them to commit the murders.




I dunno man. Apparently he never told them to do shit, they just did it. He was pissed when they told him they murdered for him. He had just gotten out of prison and hated that they gave the gvmt a reason to put him back in the clank.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15470148 - 12/05/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Manson was a beatnik not a hippie. And have any of you guys actually seen his interviews?

The government has done far worse than set people up to destroy a movement.




Look up the show "Manson" that aired on the History Channel. It might be on YouTube. Watch that, he brainwashed his "followers" and got them to commit the murders.




I dunno man. Apparently he never told them to do shit, they just did it. He was pissed when they told him they murdered for him. He had just gotten out of prison and hated that they gave the gvmt a reason to put him back in the clank.




Watch that show I reffered to that was aired on The History Channel. Manson literally gave 1 of his male and 2 of his female "followers" speed and ordered them to go out and commit the tate murders. One of the girls who was involved in the murders is interviewed in the show and recounts the whole experience.

Also, he used to dose all them with sugar cubes laced with LSD, and he'd deliberately take a smaller dose so he could manipulate them and brainwash them while they were vulnerable in a tripped out state.

It was a cool show, watch it.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15470780 - 12/05/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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You would change your mind instantly if Charles Manson told them to kill someone in your family. For some people, they never really can understand murder, untill it happens to them.





Amen!  Exactly.  Let's see how much sympathy he has when it's his family who get brutally murdered in their homes. 







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Manson was a beatnik not a hippie. And have any of you guys actually seen his interviews?




Who gives a fuck what Manson says?  He's a first class con-man.  And the (good) point that PsilocybinMike was making is that the perception of the public was that it was a group of murdering hippies, which actually they were, despite whatever Manson wants to call himself.  America was already afraid of LSD.  The Manson case just confirmed all of their worst fears.  That these normal kids could take LSD start murdering people.  Which is exactly what happened. 






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I dunno man. Apparently he never told them to do shit, they just did it. He was pissed when they told him they murdered for him. He had just gotten out of prison and hated that they gave the gvmt a reason to put him back in the clank.




Again, why in the living hell would you believe what Manson says?  Especially since everyone else involved with the crimes all had the same story.  That nothing was done in that family without the expressed permission of Manson and that he ordered them to kill those people. 

And by the way, at the very least, he's guilty of being accessory to the home invasion murder of the LaBiancas.  Manson held those poor people at gunpoint while Tex tied them up after Manson had driven the killers there.  Then his coward ass drove off while his minions brutally murdered Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. 
















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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Learyfan]
    #15471643 - 12/05/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Manson basically went insane after the dude from The Beach Boys didn't end up getting him a record deal. He was 100% convinced he was getting a record deal and when he didn't get it he lost his mind.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: PsilocybinMike]
    #15471684 - 12/05/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Manson basically went insane after the dude from The Beach Boys didn't end up getting him a record deal. He was 100% convinced he was getting a record deal and when he didn't get it he lost his mind.




he still released a decent album though.


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    #15471733 - 12/05/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Another good one



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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15475179 - 12/06/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I never bothered listening to his music before, but thats actually pretty cool.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: shadowplay]
    #15475207 - 12/06/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

He has basically said that if he gets out he will kill people. I don't think he actually will, but still...

Also, his interviews are very entertaining.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: The_Aviator] * 1
    #15491884 - 12/09/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, there's a lot of misinformation out there regarding Manson- probably in large part to the fact that Manson wants there to be misinformation. Also, there are way better sources of Manson's direct personal views than youtube interviews.

Manson did not kill anyone, nor did he order the murder of those people. From what I remember of my research, Tex Watson was a drug dealer who was continually being fucked over. The "Manson Family" already had strong ties to those "victims" in Hollywood including the Folgers coffee dynasty. They've had many a drug-induced orgy, it's fucking Hollywood. It's a really intriguing story and I recommend it to everyone. Anyway, the murders were more likely drug deals gone terribly wrong.

The Spahn ranch the "Manson Family" resided in was mainly comprised of potheads until Tex Watson arrived and introduced LSD and speed- not a good combination.

However, Manson has made it clear that he wants to stay in prison. So yea, I believe he would kill or make a big hoo-haa just to go back- kinda out of spite of everything that's happened to him.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Forest_Gospel]
    #15492342 - 12/09/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"Victims"  :nonono:

Your account of the situation is completely wrong.  I don't even know where to start. 














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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #15492708 - 12/09/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Charles manson really is the fucking man!

I genuinely think that he is one of the coolest people that have ever lived. I don't believe he had anything to do with murder.

Manson got shit done, he was a travelling hobo with charisma and musical talent.

Manson FTW!!


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15492769 - 12/09/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You're in denial.  Everyone except for Squeaky and Sandy will tell you that Manson was controlling and abusive and that he controlled everything that went on and that he did, in fact, order those murders.  How can you believe Manson over ALL of the other people who were there?

I know Manson got/gets lots of pussy and respect, which is something that we all want, but he is not someone to idolize.  He's a jailhouse conman/murderer.  He's the worst of the worst and if YOUR family had been murdered at his command, you'd be singing a different tune. 















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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Learyfan]
    #15493090 - 12/09/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Nice guy.  Catherine Share talks about Manson almost beating her to death.









Catherine Share talks about when Manson told Clem to kill her if she leaves.



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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Learyfan]
    #15504597 - 12/12/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: SporeFarmer]
    #15505507 - 12/12/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Charles Manson is simply too institutionalized to be released from prison. He would probably quickly become a homeless man if released and go out and rape some elderly woman to get thrown back in prison. Its too dangerous.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #15505671 - 12/12/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like Manson can still kill without stepping out of the prison gate.



















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    #15531939 - 12/17/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i have a better idea: let's release him to the prison's general population


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    #15532712 - 12/17/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a better idea: let's release him to the prison's general population



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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: pescadorabioso]
    #15532740 - 12/17/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Because there is nothing wrong with creating and destroying a minority? As in black people.

He may be a cool dude, but the fact is that he became the LSD guardian to his followers. They were "brain washed" to reject good morals and to join the ego. That ego alone should never be embarrassed ever again IMO.

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Icesyn]
    #15560387 - 12/23/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

not only is he a psychopathic nutjob, but he hasn't exactly been a model prisoner.

he's been caught with a cell phone for the 2nd time in 2 years in his cell.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/02/hello-satan-charles-manson-caught-again-with-cellphone-in-prison/1

Castro said Manson, 67, who is currently being held in solitary confinement to keep him away from the general prison population, was refused parole because he has had 17 "serious" infractions on his record since his last parole hearing five years ago, including "possession of a (blunt object) weapon and threatening to hurt or kill peace officers."

Manson was also charged, in 1997, of arson for trying to set his mattress on fire, Castro said.

Prior to the hearing, which Manson refused to attend, Los Angeles Assistant District Attorney Stephen Kay said Manson has been a "terrible prisoner" in recent years, and that his record shows multiple incidents in which he hit, spit at, or threw coffee on prison guards and other employees.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-507237.html

You don't get released for being a dick.

"He's really not much different than he was in 1969 or 1970," Kay said.

Kay said the good news was that finding Manson unsuitable for parole was a simple task. The bad news was that Manson had done nothing to rehabilitate himself through education or self-help.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #15565083 - 12/24/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15568762 - 12/24/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The guy was a goddam racist creep. He happily encourages the elimination of 'niggers'. Prison was too good for him. He probably would have gotten on well with Hitler.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: tzogchen]
    #15577637 - 12/27/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The guy was a goddam racist creep. He happily encourages the elimination of 'niggers'. Prison was too good for him. He probably would have gotten on well with Hitler.




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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15577666 - 12/27/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The guy was a goddam racist creep. He happily encourages the elimination of 'niggers'. Prison was too good for him. He probably would have gotten on well with Hitler.




CHARLES MANSON IS GOD!!!

THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON: MANSON! WE ARE ALL HIM!
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I hope it's obvious I'm kidding, but i guess some people don't get that. All im saying is that he has some cool ideas (many more worse ones)and made some good music.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: underfliptown]
    #15596130 - 12/31/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Manson has more genuine spiritual and mystical messages than any preacher or new age hack.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: ShiVersblood] * 1
    #15606675 - 01/02/12 05:52 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Right, sure. I guess Hitler was a spiritual master too. And Jim Jones. All real nice guys like Manson.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: tzogchen]
    #15610103 - 01/03/12 12:26 PM (12 years, 28 days ago)

why is he even in prison,he never killed anyone?Also,if I told you to go out and shoot the president,and you did it,that's your own stupid fault,so why should I go to prison for life because of it?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: tzogchen]
    #15610183 - 01/03/12 12:53 PM (12 years, 28 days ago)

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Right, sure. I guess Hitler was a spiritual master too. And Jim Jones. All real nice guys like Manson.




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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Morphogenesis]
    #15610435 - 01/03/12 02:05 PM (12 years, 28 days ago)

Jimmy Jones,now there's a real winner:killerrabbit:


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    #15610869 - 01/03/12 03:38 PM (12 years, 28 days ago)

It must suck being in solitaire this whole time.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #15610932 - 01/03/12 03:51 PM (12 years, 28 days ago)

Yes. His followers killed that person to recreate a murder to get the police to think their was a serial killer so they would let their freind out of jail. :jah:


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #15931944 - 03/11/12 01:05 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Keep him locked up!


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: flibius]
    #15935017 - 03/11/12 08:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What about Obama, the Clintons, the Bushes, etc.? Why should they walk free while Manson rots for (supposedly) commanding a lot less violence?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: pescadorabioso]
    #15962883 - 03/18/12 10:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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As much as I think he's an interesting person and would kinda like to see him free, I really don't think he could be trusted at all to not do something crazy again. So no.




After spending the majority of his life in solitary confinement, what in the world wouldn't stop him from doing something idiosyncratic?



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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: bulsie]
    #15963341 - 03/18/12 01:07 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You can't keep someone locked up just cause you think they might do something bad. Only as punishment for something they already did bad. He has been in prison for about 45 years, but he never killed anyone. Doesn't add up. The punishment has already been served.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #15963684 - 03/18/12 02:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Not too long after they let him out someone will kill him not just for revenge, but fame. In jail is the safest place for him.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Eagle]
    #15964573 - 03/18/12 07:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Is it fair to the taxpayers of California to keep him locked up?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #15980615 - 03/22/12 10:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

He should be set free. He`s a folk hero. He should just be allowed to hitchhike and eat apples.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #15980702 - 03/22/12 10:49 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Is it fair to the taxpayers of California to keep him locked up?




the taxpayers can suck it. Besides, the taxpayers are the ones he murdered in the first place anyway. How can you put a price on life? 10 or 20 years in jail makes life so cheap. He should have been executed, that way people cant run and try to release him after 5 years like they do in england.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #15981751 - 03/22/12 02:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Is it fair to the taxpayers of California to keep him locked up?




the taxpayers can suck it. Besides, the taxpayers are the ones he murdered in the first place anyway. How can you put a price on life? 10 or 20 years in jail makes life so cheap. He should have been executed, that way people cant run and try to release him after 5 years like they do in england.




I think you may be confused in the details about the case. Manson never murdered anyone. He's been in prison for 45 years for conspiracy to murder or something like that.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #15985551 - 03/23/12 11:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

How can any of you be so certain about the story? If Manson can brainwash people with LSD why couldn't/wouldn't the government? The counter culture was a bigger threat then communism could ever have hoped to be, and the government knew more about psyches then anybody.

I dont know if that happened, or what happened, but why the hell should I believe something just because they said it on the media? The media also said that cannabis makes you insane and rots your brain.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: sk8ordude]
    #16172158 - 05/02/12 04:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

His parole was denied.
Do u think that guy on the news is really his son?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #16176516 - 05/03/12 12:46 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I think you may be confused in the details about the case. Manson never murdered anyone. He's been in prison for 45 years for conspiracy to murder or something like that.




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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17165053 - 11/05/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

No. But i dont know about all the lost souls he fucked up and took down with him...


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17166316 - 11/05/12 02:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Manson is still dangerous. I wouldn't want him as a neighbor. Would you?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17166693 - 11/05/12 03:46 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I personally would like him as a neighbor, but I understand I'm in a tiny minority on that position.

Regardless, that isn't the point. The question is, why is he still in prison when he never killed anyone?. How do you get 45 years for conspiracy to murder?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17167222 - 11/05/12 05:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Even in prison Manson is dangerous. He's known to have raped other inmates holding a razor blade to their throats. Manson is the scum of the scum, at least as dangerous as any mafioso, but probably more dangerous because of his charisma.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17167907 - 11/05/12 06:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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How do you get 45 years for conspiracy to murder?




If you go to jail for stealing candy, they aren't going to let you out if you act like a homicidal maniac for every parole hearing. 

















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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Learyfan]
    #17168591 - 11/05/12 08:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Who r u referring to? Manson doesn't do that.



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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #17168609 - 11/05/12 08:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Even in prison Manson is dangerous. He's known to have raped other inmates holding a razor blade to their throats. Manson is the scum of the scum, at least as dangerous as any mafioso, but probably more dangerous because of his charisma.




Scum of the scum? What about someone like any recent U.S. president? All of them r responsible for many more deaths than Manson.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17168653 - 11/05/12 08:13 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17171247 - 11/06/12 08:43 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Even in prison Manson is dangerous. He's known to have raped other inmates holding a razor blade to their throats. Manson is the scum of the scum, at least as dangerous as any mafioso, but probably more dangerous because of his charisma.




Scum of the scum? What about someone like any recent U.S. president? All of them r responsible for many more deaths than Manson.




Note the distinction between conspiracy to commit death and conspiracy to commit murder.  Murder is by definition an illegal killing.  If its not illegal, its not murder.  Right or wrong doesnt have anything to do with whether that descriptor holds or not.


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Rail_Gun said:
Even in prison Manson is dangerous. He's known to have raped other inmates holding a razor blade to their throats. Manson is the scum of the scum, at least as dangerous as any mafioso, but probably more dangerous because of his charisma.




Scum of the scum? What about someone like any recent U.S. president? All of them r responsible for many more deaths than Manson.




Note the distinction between conspiracy to commit death and conspiracy to commit murder.  Murder is by definition an illegal killing.  If its not illegal, its not murder.  Right or wrong doesnt have anything to do with whether that descriptor holds or not.



All recent US Presidents are war criminals guilty of waging aggressive warfare. It's a valid point but irrelevant. Just because someone gets away with murder is no reason to let everyone else get away with murder too.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17177331 - 11/07/12 06:56 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes, I personally would like him as a neighbor, but I understand I'm in a tiny minority on that position.

Regardless, that isn't the point. The question is, why is he still in prison when he never killed anyone?. How do you get 45 years for conspiracy to murder?



You're terribly misinformed...He was convicted of murder...And sentenced to death for it.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Enlil]
    #17177504 - 11/07/12 07:36 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

No, apparently we're both right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17177539 - 11/07/12 07:44 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

No, only Enhil is right this time.  Read up on Shorty Shea and Gary Hinman further down. 




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In a 1971 trial that took place after his Tate/LaBianca convictions, Manson was found guilty of the murders of Gary Hinman and Donald "Shorty" Shea and was given a life sentence. Shea was a Spahn Ranch stuntman and horse wrangler who had been killed approximately 10 days after the August 16, 1969, sheriff's raid on the ranch. Manson, who suspected that Shea helped set up the raid, had apparently believed Shea was trying to get Spahn to run the Family off the ranch. Manson may have considered it a "sin" that the white Shea had married a black woman; and there was the possibility that Shea knew about the Tate/LaBianca killings.[2]:99–113[74] In separate trials, Family members Bruce Davis and Steve "Clem" Grogan were also found guilty of Shea's murder.


















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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17177546 - 11/07/12 07:46 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

No...You're wrong...I'm right.

He is in prison for seven counts of murder...not conspiracy...murder.  He was sentenced to death for murder.  He couldn't be sentenced to death for conspiracy.  Because he was sentenced to death, he wasn't sentenced for conspiracy.

He committed murder seven times...and he was convicted of murder seven times.  He is now serving a life sentence for those seven murders.  Why you keep focusing on another lesser charge, I can only guess.

P.S.  Leary is also right about the other murder convictions.  That brings his total murders to 9.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Enlil]
    #17177607 - 11/07/12 08:07 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

No, you clearly didn't follow the link. It's a very short paragraph, just read it. It says he was convicted of conspiracy to murder and by some sick logic that counted as regular murder in California. Hell, I'll even quote it:

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was found guilty of conspiracy to commit the murders of Sharon Tate and Leno and Rosemary LaBianca carried out by members of the group at his instruction. He was convicted of the murders through the joint-responsibility rule, which makes each member of a conspiracy guilty of crimes his fellow conspirators commit in furtherance of the conspiracy's objective.




@ Leary: That's just more of the same. You'd have to be an idiot to murder someone just cus somebody else told u to. Why should Manson be held accountable for their behavior?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17177620 - 11/07/12 08:09 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Again..you're wrong..he was charged with seven counts of murder AND conspiracy to commit murder...he was found guilty of ALL EIGHT CHARGES...

He was sentenced to DEATH for the seven counts of murder...That sentence was later changed to life because of a california supreme court case.

He was never sentenced for the conspiracy charge because there was no point in sentencing a man condemned to death.

You seem to think that murder is only murder if you actually pull the trigger.  That is simply untrue.  The getaway driver in a bank robbery is also guilty of robbery.  The bomb builder in a bombing is also guilty.  Manson is just as responsible for those murders as the people who actually stabbed those bitches.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17177640 - 11/07/12 08:16 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Read more on the Shorty Shea murder.  Manson actually participated in that murder and was convicted of murder, not conspiracy, along with Clem Grogan and Bruce Davis.

Wikipedia said he was convicted of murder of Gary Hinman also, but I can't remember if that's true or not.  I can't remember if he was there at the time of his death or not.  I thought he left and had Sadie and maybe Bobby Beausoleil kill Hinman.













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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Enlil]
    #17177657 - 11/07/12 08:21 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You're just nitpicking. That's what I'm saying: he was charged with all those murders only cus conspiracy to murder was equated with murder.

It's not the same as being a get away driver. It's not like he took them to the scene of the crime or unlocked the door or anything like that. There was no evidence against Manson. It was just kids saying that an older kid told them to do it. Nixon declared Manson guilty before he ever went to trial. It was a farse.

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17177666 - 11/07/12 08:23 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

It isn't nitpicking at all.  The four of them came up with a plan to kill some people...they carried it out...That's murder plain and simple.  It doesn't matter which one actually stabbed which victim.  It's premeditated murder, and the jury convicted manson of it.

And what you call "no evidence" was actually far more evidence than they had against OJ...



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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17177691 - 11/07/12 08:31 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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It's not the same as being a get away driver. It's not like he took them to the scene of the crime or unlocked the door or anything like that. There was no evidence against Manson.




Again, that's not correct.  Manson did ride along to the Labianca murder and held the Labiancas at gunpoint while Tex tied them up.  Then he drove the car away and left the others to murder them and then find their way home. 


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According to Atkins and Kasabian, Manson disappeared up the driveway and returned to say he had tied up the house's occupants; then he sent Watson up with Krenwinkel and Van Houten.[2]:176–184, 258–269 In his autobiography, on the other hand, Watson stated that, having gone up alone, Manson returned to take him up to the house with him. After Manson pointed out a sleeping man through a window, the two of them entered through the unlocked back door. Watson added that, at trial, he "went along with" the women's account, which he figured made him "look that much less responsible."

As Watson tells it, Manson roused the sleeping Leno LaBianca from the couch at gunpoint and had Watson bind his hands with a leather thong. After Rosemary was brought briefly into the living room from the bedroom, Watson followed Manson's instructions to cover the couple's heads with pillowcases. He bound these in place with lamp cords. Manson left, sending Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten into the house with instructions that the couple be killed.

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Learyfan]
    #17177694 - 11/07/12 08:32 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Leary, you're missing zappateer's whole point.  Manson says they lied and that he didn't do it.  Why would he say that if it wasn't true?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Enlil]
    #17177731 - 11/07/12 08:44 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Well here's Manson admitting to having been there and then left. 


















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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Learyfan]
    #17181665 - 11/07/12 08:41 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Ok fine, I was wrong about him being at the scene of the crime. He never admits in that video that he told them to murder tho. What evidence was there besides the word of the murderers?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17183354 - 11/08/12 05:01 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

It doesn't matter if he told them...what part of that don't you understand?


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17183460 - 11/08/12 06:20 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

At the very least, he held people at gun point so that they could be tied up and murdered.  And he participated in the murder of Shorty Shea. 
















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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #17188964 - 11/09/12 07:08 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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He is a swell guy, I like him.




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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Enlil]
    #17197171 - 11/10/12 07:11 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Leary, you're missing zappateer's whole point.  Manson says they lied and that he didn't do it.  Why would he say that if it wasn't true?



Maybe he's just a lieing murdering raping convict???

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Capers]
    #17250487 - 11/20/12 01:52 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. He did not kill anyone. He did not force anyone to kill anyone. The kids did it of their own will.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #17250753 - 11/20/12 04:40 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes. He did not kill anyone. He did not force anyone to kill anyone. The kids did it of their own will.



Wrong. He did kill people.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Enlil]
    #17250755 - 11/20/12 04:41 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #17250770 - 11/20/12 04:52 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Enlil]
    #17250788 - 11/20/12 05:04 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I cant find any information saying that he killed him. Only that he wanted him dead and asked others to do it.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #17250803 - 11/20/12 05:11 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The jury found that Manson and two others grabbed the dude, took him out to the boonies and killed him.

I'm sure you'll find some other excuse to claim he didn't kill him...perhaps he didn't deal the final blow....That sounds like a plausible argument.

The reality is that Manson participated in the tate/labianca murders and others.  He held people at gunpoint while they were tied up for the purpose of murdering them.  Whether he stabbed someone or not is irrelevant to the equation.


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: Enlil]
    #17291221 - 11/27/12 02:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

No there are a lot of people who are a lot more innocent than charlie manson in jail. He is quite a fascinating character though


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Re: Should Charles Manson be let out of prison? [Re: sungam]
    #17292052 - 11/27/12 05:26 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Haha, this thing is up to 155 votes!


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