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quebus
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15292948 - 10/28/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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EvilMushroom666 said: Has anyone given the follow book a read?:
http://www.amazon.com/Mushroom-Wisdom-Cultivate-Spiritual-Consciousness/dp/1579510361
It was purchased for me by an ex girlfriend for my birthday and was an interesting read.
The author talks about his ritual and spiritual practices when ingesting the mushroom and gives a lot of great advice IMO. I do not personally ingest active mushrooms these days, but I have had my fare share of trips in the past. I have heard many different people (Paul Stamets as well) talk about how ritual can help you avoid and get through those hard trips when you have bitten off a bit more then you can chew. I would recommend it to anyone who is interested in spirituality and consider mushrooms to be our teachers.
I just kindled the book. This may sound stupid but - why did you stop?
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms *DELETED* [Re: Cudder]
#15292993 - 10/28/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: quebus]
#15293362 - 10/28/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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phortre55 said: I just kindled the book. This may sound stupid but - why did you stop?
I got my ass handed to me on a plate with my last trip years and years ago. I have easily ingested mushrooms 50+ times in ranges from 1-7grams over the last 10 years and have had many amazing experiences that allowed me to grow as a person.
The last trip I went on was a 6 hour introspective hell ride after ingesting a single gram of some potent cubes to "catch a buzz". That night the mushroom teachers taught me a lesson on respect.
Since then I have not felt the need to venture down the rabbit hole so to speak. I have been focusing on other aspects of my life and enjoying the simple things.
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PrimalSoup
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Well seeing as how i believe you are in control of everything at all times if you can realize and truly believe it.. i take them in capsules.. no ritual.. just down em wait for it to hit and proceed to hallucinate vividly while almost flipping through whatever i'm witnessing until i hit something i like.. some feeling or divine presence.. then keep flipping through till i find something else.. skip all the hellish bullshit. You're adventuring in your imagination it would be wise to stay in control.
Strange that more people don't use this kind of control when tripping. I never could understand the idea of just taking whatever shows up without using the damned remote. 
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15293502 - 10/28/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like to think of it more like an ocean than a tv show.
and you cant fight an ocean.
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: k00laid]
#15293528 - 10/28/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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That was a joke, my remote never works quite right. 
Surfing is a much better analogy, IME. Wherever you want to go, whenever you want to be, you know it.
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15293965 - 10/29/11 02:55 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I usually eat half a meals worth of food, get blazed, eat mushrooms with some sort of fruit juice while listening to music, meditate for 15 minutes and then if I'm indoors lie down staring at the ceiling or go on a nature walk/bike ride
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: Force Ten]
#15294073 - 10/29/11 04:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always clean and usually go outside on the " on-set " and then go home and put on some music , thats all
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15294178 - 10/29/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: That was a joke, my remote never works quite right. 
Surfing is a much better analogy, IME. Wherever you want to go, whenever you want to be, you know it.
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You must be a saint if you can just shy away at the negative aspects of the trip.
Any "sufficient dose" of a psychedelic will allow karma to do its work, in the course of whatever time you spend in the state.
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms *DELETED* [Re: AmazonianGuru]
#15294318 - 10/29/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15294451 - 10/29/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Strange that more people don't use this kind of control when tripping. I never could understand the idea of just taking whatever shows up without using the damned remote. 
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I could never just turn off the darker or unpleasant parts of an experience like a remote. That never worked for me. Suppression seems counter-intuitive to the purpose of a psychedelic session if you ask me.
I can understand radical acceptance of whatever is being shown without suppressing or resisting. It's called facing the aspects of yourself that may not be sunshine and bunny rabbits. That's how you come closer to understanding the fundamental nature of your own awareness. There is freedom in the naked consciousness that exists beyond prejudices and aversions.
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: ShroomDoom]
#15295487 - 10/29/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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You talking to me or just in general?
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PrimalSoup said: That was a joke, my remote never works quite right. 
Surfing is a much better analogy, IME. Wherever you want to go, whenever you want to be, you know it.
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You must be a saint if you can just shy away at the negative aspects of the trip.
Any "sufficient dose" of a psychedelic will allow karma to do its work, in the course of whatever time you spend in the state.
Karma is of the mind.. you only do negative things if you believe they are bad.. you create your reality.
Right, but we still have higher models of being that we have to abide by, and that appears to be morally obligated.
Any street gang member, or lifetime prison inmate, under the influence of any, as I've already said, "sufficient" dose of a psychedelic will dissolve the ego, and, whatever intimation you'd like to give it, some higher presence of mind enters the mindscape.
And, I've compared this thing to santa from time to time, if you're a street punk or prison inmate you will review your life and realize you are behaving in a way that is not promoting the health and well being of the planet and our species, that is the plants message, the plants just don't remove the ego and let you play block builder with reality..
They show you ways to better yourself.
I read a book, and I beleive it was called Heavenly Highs, and it discussed how Tim Leary started a program during his prison time in which inmates were given doses of psilocybin, and every single inmate, over the course of the first session realized their were many better ways to live their lives and they had wasted so much time.
When I take in what you say about you creating your own reality, to me that says if somebody thinks they are invulnerable, then they are, and that's not what psychedelics are about..
Maybe you need to shoot higher, really get your ego out of the way.
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: AmazonianGuru]
#15295874 - 10/29/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: That was a joke, my remote never works quite right. 
Surfing is a much better analogy, IME. Wherever you want to go, whenever you want to be, you know it.
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You must be a saint if you can just shy away at the negative aspects of the trip.
Any "sufficient dose" of a psychedelic will allow karma to do its work, in the course of whatever time you spend in the state.
I never said anything remotely like that, where's all this weird shit coming from, anyway?
There are no negative/positive aspects to a trip, there's only inadequate perception of what's coming forward that you (or anybody) labels as negative or positive. It's the labeling itself that messes you up, I keep saying this over and over but hardly anybody ever gets it. 
"Karma doing its work", that's another piece of the same thing. Where do people get these ideas from? The balance always remains no matter where you think the pointer is. It's your perception that gets adjusted, that and only that. And you can always choose.
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms [Re: ShroomDoom]
#15295930 - 10/29/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Strange that more people don't use this kind of control when tripping. I never could understand the idea of just taking whatever shows up without using the damned remote. 
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I could never just turn off the darker or unpleasant parts of an experience like a remote. That never worked for me. Suppression seems counter-intuitive to the purpose of a psychedelic session if you ask me.
I can understand radical acceptance of whatever is being shown without suppressing or resisting. It's called facing the aspects of yourself that may not be sunshine and bunny rabbits. That's how you come closer to understanding the fundamental nature of your own awareness. There is freedom in the naked consciousness that exists beyond prejudices and aversions.
Again, I never said anything like that. You don't turn them off, you go into them. I'm talking about the effing control, not the fear and loathing in psychedelia land that sends you reeling screaming. Is the art of navigating a trip totally lost these days???
You go into them, you process them, you go through them, you come out the other side changed and more whole than when you started, that's all. Ordinary consciousness is like a filter compared to direct perception and it won't take you there. Thought won't take you there, because you can't follow instructions to the source.
There isn't freedom in the "naked consciousness" you describe, it is freedom.
Now the rest of you, just quit getting it wrong and I'll quit bitchin' at you. 
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Re: The importance of ritual with mushrooms *DELETED* [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15296315 - 10/29/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Strange that more people don't use this kind of control when tripping. I never could understand the idea of just taking whatever shows up without using the damned remote. 
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I could never just turn off the darker or unpleasant parts of an experience like a remote. That never worked for me. Suppression seems counter-intuitive to the purpose of a psychedelic session if you ask me.
I can understand radical acceptance of whatever is being shown without suppressing or resisting. It's called facing the aspects of yourself that may not be sunshine and bunny rabbits. That's how you come closer to understanding the fundamental nature of your own awareness. There is freedom in the naked consciousness that exists beyond prejudices and aversions.
Again, I never said anything like that. You don't turn them off, you go into them. I'm talking about the effing control, not the fear and loathing in psychedelia land that sends you reeling screaming. Is the art of navigating a trip totally lost these days???
You go into them, you process them, you go through them, you come out the other side changed and more whole than when you started, that's all. Ordinary consciousness is like a filter compared to direct perception and it won't take you there. Thought won't take you there, because you can't follow instructions to the source.
There isn't freedom in the "naked consciousness" you describe, it is freedom.
Now the rest of you, just quit getting it wrong and I'll quit bitchin' at you. 
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Motherfuckin amen brother.. control is the answer.. when you're not in control then you're letting whatever the fuck else is out there be in control of you.
i feel you are misinterpreting primal.
but i wont speak for him.
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PrimalSoup
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Well, hey, this was a thread about ritual, and I like to start with ritual. That's an open-ended thing to me.
Control is something else - if I ever get to where I can take a trip that's foaming at the mouth and make it behave like a trick pony I'll call that control. A light hand on the reins gets you a lot more down the road IME, and if that doesn't work I'll return to ritual to re-establish the baseline I'm aiming for. Whenever I've tried to exert control I felt the trip slipping away - and sometimes got the feeling that though the trip went on, I was no longer having it. That's what I mean by navigating, at least in some sense.
I've enjoyed going wherever the trip wants to lead often enough, but I've been using trip time for writing a lot this past year and the results have been fantastic. It's sort of like lucid dreaming, only I get to use the results directly. So that's control of a sort, but with a purpose in mind to fulfill positive expectations.
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