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JilPil



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Re: DMT with Syrian Rue [Re: clemens]
#15289450 - 10/28/11 02:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I too am speaking out of direct experience with dmt and syrian rue.
I don't understand why you strongly disagree with the way I take it... all you do is break your seeds up, (which is unneeded)
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Nature Boy
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Re: DMT with Syrian Rue [Re: clemens]
#15289475 - 10/28/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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clemens said: DMT freebase WILL make you puke ur guts out. It converts to DMT citrate, i believe, in both OJ and coke.
Close. The OJ has citric acid, so you get the citrate salt of DMT, DMT citrate. The (flat) Coke contains phosphoric acid, so you get the phosphate salt of DMT, DMT phosphate.
Sorry to say, much of the Syrian Rue advice is off a bit, too. 3 grams is good. More is NOT better, as it GREATLY increases nausea from the uterotonic nasties which are also in there. If you want to take MORE than 3 grams worth, take the time to do a Manske extraction (very simple!) and dose the extracted harmine and harmaline only and you will be far less likely to barf and/or get diarrhea.
As regards the timing of the MAOI, 5 - 10 minutes is FINE. And yeah, 50 mg is low on the DMT. You'll probably need 75 to even notice its contribution, otherwise all you will feel is the MAOI.
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clemens
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Re: DMT with Syrian Rue [Re: Nature Boy]
#15290331 - 10/28/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said:
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clemens said: DMT freebase WILL make you puke ur guts out. It converts to DMT citrate, i believe, in both OJ and coke.
Close. The OJ has citric acid, so you get the citrate salt of DMT, DMT citrate. The (flat) Coke contains phosphoric acid, so you get the phosphate salt of DMT, DMT phosphate.
Sorry to say, much of the Syrian Rue advice is off a bit, too. 3 grams is good. More is NOT better, as it GREATLY increases nausea from the uterotonic nasties which are also in there. If you want to take MORE than 3 grams worth, take the time to do a Manske extraction (very simple!) and dose the extracted harmine and harmaline only and you will be far less likely to barf and/or get diarrhea.
As regards the timing of the MAOI, 5 - 10 minutes is FINE. And yeah, 50 mg is low on the DMT. You'll probably need 75 to even notice its contribution, otherwise all you will feel is the MAOI.
N.B.
are you saying you should wait 5 - 10 minutes after taking the rue to take the DMT dose? And I could see 3 grams of seeds working but I have never had a problem with consuming more then that. I kinda like the syrian rue, its sedating.
and ahmcarri, I guess I don't STRONGLY disagree with you. 
IME I got more nausea from some of the DMT being in freebase form then from the syrian rue, but I spend almost the entire experience laying down.
I have puked once on syrian rue and DMT and that was because I took 175mgs of DMT freebase and threw it into OJ. I could still see the DMT freebase in small amounts floating around and I believe that is what fucked my stomach up.
Certainly u won't puke off the syrian rue alone if you take up to 8 grams of the stuff. Multiple days of syrian rue ingestion I noticed some gut problems, gas and such.
We made syrian rue putty once and that worked really well. I have tried extracting alkaloids from syrian rue once but failed
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Re: DMT with Syrian Rue [Re: clemens]
#15290721 - 10/28/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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DMT phosphate is said to absorb well...
If both MAOI and DMT is taken as liquids; waiting 30 minutes is usually recommended.
I see most folk recommend more DMT than 50mg...
My dog started getting nausea from rue at around the 5g mark with the filtered tea.
Predosing with a few drops Lemon essential oil or some ginger root might prevent seretonergic nausea.
Some say to not ejaculate/have sex for 3 days before your voyage; as well as avoiding alcohol, sugar, salt, oils, pork, fat, and spices.
Blessings.
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