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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: What I love about America... [Re: ]
    #1530935 - 05/08/03 01:35 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

allright, lets get busy.

america has the highest prison population per capita in the first world, do beleive this has no connection between its long history of slavery and racism? seeing that african americans are severely over-represented in the prison population?

you guys can call me a fool and state archaic texts all you want, but by ignoring my argument you just make yourself look opinionated, this is a discussion board, not a "prove your patriotism" board. so lets discuss.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1530958 - 05/08/03 01:41 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

for the most part, the proportion of blacks in US prisons is proportional to the crimes they commit. to the extent that this is not true, it is NOT in accordance with the ideals america was founded on, but in violation of them.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1530978 - 05/08/03 01:45 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Archaic or not, the writings to which Evolving refered to are probably some of the most influential works to affect the founding of the US. You chosing to ignore anticedants on which America was founded, and instead only focusing on the negative aspects makes you only look more opinionated, and concequently wrong.


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: What I love about America... [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1531010 - 05/08/03 01:54 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"for the most part, the proportion of blacks in US prisons is proportional to the crimes they commit"

hahahaha. okay, lets totally disregard social conditions and conflicts and view america from an idealist perspective.....that will really help us expand our understanding of america.

I Fart Blue: im not ignoring these texts, but I do question the validity of their influence on american society and social evolution. I think social conditions such as slavery and opression have more of a social impact that texts that 1% of the population has read.


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: What I love about America... [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1531019 - 05/08/03 01:56 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"for the most part, the proportion of blacks in US prisons is proportional to the crimes they commit"

hahahaha. okay, lets totally disregard social conditions and conflicts and view america from an idealist perspective.....that will really help us expand our understanding of america.

I Fart Blue: im not ignoring these texts, but I do question the validity of their influence on american society and social evolution. I think social conditions such as slavery and opression have more of a social impact that texts that 1% of the population has read.

this is what is happening: you guys are arguing that these texts and documents and bills have the most influence on american society, whil I am arguing that american social conditions have had the most influence on american society. am i right or wrong? if i am wrong please elaborate.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1531024 - 05/08/03 01:57 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

How many places in America have you lived?


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1531031 - 05/08/03 01:58 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

One could certainly question the validity of an institution to which no person alive in America has been a part of.


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: What I love about America... [Re: Evolving]
    #1531032 - 05/08/03 01:58 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

i havent lived in any, but thats irrelevent when discussing the origins america's current state.


a state that i do not contend as a negative one, but I am just critical of easy answers.


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Edited by atomikfunksoldier (05/08/03 01:59 PM)


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1531033 - 05/08/03 01:58 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm done with this thread and all things politcal on these boards. You all need to attend some school of higher learning, put down the remote, turn off MTV and go see what the world is like. I'm sure none of oyu have travelled to any other nations and immersed yourself in their cultures long enough to realize that America, the America that I alluded to, is without a doubt the best thing out there now. Goodbye.



lol, now I've heard everything.

*Listens for the pots calling black kettles home to eat stone soup in glass houses...*


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1531037 - 05/08/03 01:59 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

hahahaha. okay, lets totally disregard social conditions and conflicts and view america from an idealist perspective.....that will really help us expand our understanding of america.

please elaborate. i'm not sure what you're getting at.

this is what is happening: you guys are arguing that these texts and documents and bills have the most influence on american society, whil I am arguing that american social conditions have had the most influence on american society. am i right or wrong? if i am wrong please elaborate.

i am arguing no such thing. i am disputing your statement that america was founded on the ideals of slavery and oppression.

i would agree with you that the ideals america was founded on and what actually goes on here are often two conflicting things.


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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: What I love about America... [Re: Edame]
    #1531046 - 05/08/03 02:02 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"One could certainly question the validity of an institution to which no person alive in America has been a part of"



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Re: What I love about America... [Re: Edame]
    #1531049 - 05/08/03 02:03 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"One could certainly question the validity of an institution to which no person alive in America has been a part of"

please eloborate, i dont understand


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1531052 - 05/08/03 02:04 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I was refering to Slavery, not America.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1531056 - 05/08/03 02:05 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

hmmmm, thats not really my point........

i was trying to say that, i think america's past social conditions are more influential on its current social conditions than documents created by the elite.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1531069 - 05/08/03 02:08 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry to butt into the discussion, but do they still have "chain-gangs" in the US, and if so is that not slavery in a sense?


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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
:tongue:

In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1531070 - 05/08/03 02:08 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

i havent lived in any, but thats irrelevent when discussing the origins america's current state.


a state that i do not contend as a negative one, but I am just critical of easy answers.



What qualifies you to comment on social conditions in America if you don't know what you are talking about?


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1531072 - 05/08/03 02:09 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

i was trying to say that, i think america's past social conditions are more influential on its current social conditions than documents created by the elite.

to the extent that this is true, it's a shame.

you really should read the "documents created by the elite" we're talking about.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: Evolving]
    #1531073 - 05/08/03 02:09 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

hahaha. okay man, im not going to answer that because its too ridiculous, im sure you're more intelligent than that.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1531077 - 05/08/03 02:11 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I am. I've lived 42 years in the states. The ignorant ramblings of someone who gets all his information 2nd, through 10th hand via leftists sources is hardly qualified to give an informed opinion.


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Re: What I love about America... [Re: Evolving]
    #1531086 - 05/08/03 02:14 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

What qualifies you to comment on social conditions in America if you don't know what you are talking about?




By that same logic, what qualified any of us here on the forums to comment on conditions in Iraq?


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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
:tongue:

In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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