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OfflineLostMetropolis
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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: Sheepish]
    #1533589 - 05/09/03 03:35 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I'm the same way. When I'm stoned I usually try to avoid interacting with strangers as much as possible. Pot definitely amplifies being introverted. (is that a correct sentence?)

As for paranoid music have you heard two tracks by orbital entitled "P.E.T.R.O.L." and "The Other Box"? They are both pretty fucked up esspecially when you've got lots of bass, some nice ass speakers and bud of course.  :laugh:


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: LostMetropolis]
    #1533859 - 05/09/03 05:50 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Weed makes people stupid as fuck. Weed is a waste of time. Not very many people can smoke weed and be very productive. Fungi is the shit.


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: SuperSpun]
    #1534265 - 05/09/03 10:17 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Drug snobbery, I love human nature :wink:


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: Wysefool]
    #1535258 - 05/09/03 04:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Just follow the trip tips on the shroomery and you'll do fine. I'd definitely also recommend you abstain from sex (even with yourself) and fast for at least a day before the trip (3 days would be even better if you have the will power!).




What do you mean by fasting? I just don't understand this expression. And why does having sex or not a couple day before affects the trip? I just don't get it. Having a lot of sex gets your overal energy a bit lower and it's not a good thing when you do shrooms? That doesn't make sense to me..

explain and fill the hole of my ignorance with something better!!



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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: SuperSpun]
    #1535768 - 05/09/03 08:36 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Weed makes people stupid as fuck. Weed is a waste of time. Not very many people can smoke weed and be very productive. Fungi is the shit.




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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1535788 - 05/09/03 08:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Well it depends on the kind of strains you have been smoking.

Their are two kinds.
Indicas and Sativas.

Indicas are in my word "couch-lock". When I smoke indicas i become very lazy and just slow and shit.

But when i smoke sativas i become happy and hippiesh(is that even a word?lol) basically its the opposite of indicas(to some extent)

I would grow weed but i'd only do that when I have my own place. And I don't know about shrooms tho. Haven't tried them yet. But from all the GREAT trip stories, etc. I like shrooms better already(even though I haven't tried it! haha)

So It really bugs me when you say you hate pot. Because you probably haven't tried other stuff like crosses, sativas, etc. Stuff worth mentioning not shit weed, etc.

You need to get good WEED not the cheap kind. The cheap kind usually just makes you lazy and slow.(and thatsa pretty damn crappy). whats cool about weed is you can experience with the different kinds of high, etc.

so instead of saying you hate pot say you hate that strain you smoke and maybe you need to try some strains that are in the cannabis cup and such.


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1535797 - 05/09/03 08:56 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Weed makes people stupid as fuck. Weed is a waste of time. Not very many people can smoke weed and be very productive. Fungi is the shit.




I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID. ANd it REaLLY ANGERS me that someone can make that kind of statement! So you are saying Bob Marley was stupid as fuck and he wasted his time? You need to stop smoking cheap ass shit and smoke some decent shit. I bet you probably thought that their was only one kind of weed and it produced the same kind of high. Boy are you wrong. I know what type of person you are. Or at least I can guess. You tried weed. Found out that the shit you smoked wasn't for you and didn't like it. And you have similar people tell you that it was shit too when they weren't even smoking good quality weed and you came with such an ignorant ass conclusion as weed making people stupid as FUCK and a big waste of time.

A waste of time in whos minds though? in your "anti-weed" mind? It really makes no sense why you said something as stupid as that. Because if you think about it someone who is completely against drugs can say the same thing. thats how ignorant your statement is. Its like saying this huge anti-drug guy saying ALL DRUGS are a waste of time.

tell me you wouldn't be pissed off at him. thats pretty much what you are telling me. it does not matter if he tried getting high or not.


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: fIsh in my head]
    #1536042 - 05/09/03 11:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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The thing is, should I expect to get similar depression feelings with shrooms? I'm not afraid of trying. In fact, I tried em a few days ago but got nothing of my trip except a 5 minutes of body buzz that was interesting, nothing mental. That was very subtile tho. I only ate about a gram, that's probly the reason.




It is not possible for me to compare the effects of cannabis and mushrooms. They are as different, if not more so, as being stoned on cannabis and drunk from alcohol.

With that in mind, there is a very good chance that you will respond positively to mushrooms. The effects normally last from four to six hours depending upon how much you eat. Cannabis kind of turns the brain onto low speed where everything is slow and simple. Mushrooms seem to wake me up and open a new window to view the world through. They will amplify your emotions as well. If you are happy and having a good time, this will get multiplied as the trip peaks. If you are paranoid, or uncomfortable you can expect an unpleasant ride. Don't get on the ride until you have determined that you are going to have fun with them even if you don't like them.

There are more or less two ways to get an introduction to the effects. The first is to eat a decent amount and trip like a pro. For most people, this is the most enjoyable. Another method, which I find much more spiritual, is to work up small doses and to contemplate the different effects at different doses. Sound distortions are usually the first thing I notice at low doses. Music will open up sounding larger than life. Close your eyes, and let the music take you for a ride.

Wait a few weeks (at least seven days) and up the dosage by half a gram or so. There are many different states of mind that you will find doing this. Sometimes sounds will have a look or a taste... textures and smells become heavenly. With your eyes closed you will start to see colored lines spinning around in strange geometric patterns, or fields of baby 3d shrooms, and much more. You are not out of your mind during this, as you might be when drunk or stoned. Trying to walk may be difficult, and your body might complain a bit, but your mind is very awake and alert.

With another half gram or gram you will enter the realm of open eye visuals. Again, you are alert and awake. You might be laying on the floor, not moving around because it feels good. You might also be laying there because you cannot balance to get up. Either way it doesn't matter. If you relax your eyes, things in the room will start to breath. (They warp in and out, looking as if they are breathing.) Textures, such as wood grain will start to flow like a river. Colors will shift and change. You will notice more reds and oranges than blues, or whites, etc. If you ate enough, some things will start to dance around. The vase on the shelf might start to move around a little bit, until you focus on it.

A little more and everything is going wild, moving around on its own. I am not saying that the coffee table is going to start hunting you down all over the house. Instead, things tend to bend or jiggle so that they appear to be moving. Usually if you focus on the object, it will hold still, but everything out of the corner of your eyes will still be moving. This is my favorite level to reach. Moving your hand in front of your face will leave a field of trace images of your hand. Closing your eyes will create a 'screen saver' world of colors and patterns. The shere amount of sensory input came sometimes be too much to take. In these cases I like to find a nice quiet place, all by myself, to curl up and calm down for a bit... to explore the new worlds that are open in my mind.

Another gram or so and things start to get ugly. You are probably in the five to seven gram range now. Your sense of self starts to split apart into different facets. Voices can often be heard, it is nearly impossible to move around, things stop making sense and they merge together and apart randomly. The open eye visuals are so wild it is difficult to focus on anything. Closing your eyes feels like you might be swept away into nothingness at any moment. Most people find this state to be very scary and often drop into a bad trip. They get stuck in wave after wave of almost losing reality and fighting to end something that cannot be stopped. A very negative downword spiral.

If you find yourself fighting to hang on to whatever is left of reality, take a deep calm breath or two and let go... let the experience take over the trip, surrender, and yet another state of mind will open.

The above is based on my own personal experiences consuming where (and when) mushrooms are legal. I am a light weight and the fruit hits me pretty hard and fast. My low level music loving dosage is around 0.5g (all weights dry, multiply by 10 for aprox wet weight). I find the most enjoyable time to come around 3g to 3.5g and I find the dissociative, can't focus any more to start around 4g to 5g. If I want to meditate, around 2g to 2.5g is good. For the spiritual experience I find a low dose with meditation better than a large, confusing, mind blowing dose.

Remember we are all different, and what works for me may be a living hell for others.

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I actually don't really care about the trips. I just love growing shrooms, plants and even pot as a hobby even if i'm not a dope head at all!




Sometimes the excitement from doing something illegal adds that little extra to life. Be careful, the extra excitement might not be worth getting a criminal record or jail time. The more people that know you are growing, the more likely you are to get caught. There are other types of mushrooms that you can grow, eat and enjoy, that wont land you in jail. Know your motives and decide if the risks are worth the what might happen.


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: fIsh in my head]
    #1536078 - 05/09/03 11:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Probably the most important thing you can do to make a mushroom trip comfortable and without depression is to find the source of these feelings that come up whenever you were smoking. It is very possible that if they are genuinely linked to something that you sub/consciously "have a problem with" then this issue may arise again whilst tripping. Unfortunately it will be strong, believe me.. I have been there. It took me a while to resolve the issues that I had with myself before I could ever enjoy a mushroom trip. I had to learn the hard way experiencing numerous bad sections of trips because of this. If it is just paranoia based though then you will probably go quite well.

As always, and especially in your case. Pay close attention to your set and setting. Don't rush into anything.. you will know the right time and the right time will deliver the right mindset throughout the trip. I'm sure many bad trips are caused by poor planning/timing. I remember one night when my city had flashflooded, the moon was full and the water had subsided.. walking out in the dead of the night, enjoying the sghts, the sounds and the smells of the land the water had washed away... I knew that night was special.. and it was the best trip I ever had.



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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: utopianglory]
    #1536127 - 05/09/03 11:50 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Although I enjoy smoking cannabis now, it took me a long time to learn to enjoy it. I didn't mind the sleepy body high or the mind numbing heady high, but I hated the sense of paranoia that I would tend to get. If somebody would knock on the door while or after I smoked a bit I would freak out bad... to the point of hiding under beds, etc. I also hated that feeling of somebody standing just behind me and to the side talking to me. I could never understand what was being said, but could swear that somebody would be there if I turned around to look.

The only time I have gotten anything negative on mushrooms is when I have taken more than I had thought through (ah, why not toss down 10g instead of the 3g I was planning) or when I have been forced into a situation that I didn't want to be in, such as walking in public when they started peaking and getting caught up in the meanace the aspen trees were displaying, waving to and from in the wind.


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: Seuss]
    #1536893 - 05/10/03 11:51 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

What about tripping alone. Seuss, I'd like you to answer this as well as everyone else, you seem pretty experienced <8- )> fuNny fAcE
seriously though...


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1537066 - 05/10/03 01:33 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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  I hate pot too. I can't stand being stupidly stoned...



your problem stems more from the drug war than pot itself ..........
because the black market cannabis is indica(or mostly indica) ,almost always, and it sounds like you would like a sativa better 

I dont think pot makes people stupid or lazy , diet , exercise , these things have a big effect on how you feel EVEN when you get high

and with myself I always have  alot of energy (I assume thats because I eat well and exercise) and pot doesnt make me lazy(unless I smoke my ass off like at the may 4th pot rally :grin:!!) and somtimes I like that , but if I just smoke a bit I can  read , play guitar , work out etc etc etc

dont blame the weed.................................man(stereotype) 


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    #1537095 - 05/10/03 01:53 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: ]
    #1537398 - 05/10/03 04:50 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

hey fiend those are some pretty cool books , I remember looking through "book 1' at my friends house a couple of years ago , cool book

what do you think of them ?
its obvious you like em


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1538278 - 05/11/03 12:11 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Hey shroom....Fuck you man. Don't put mother fuckin words in my mouth bitch. I said not very many people that smoke weed can be productive. I didn't say everyone. And I smoked weed for 7 years man. I've tried different strains of weed. I think THC sucks. And almost everyone that I know that smokes weed reagularly could be a much better person if they would just simply not smoke so much weed. Your an idiot dude.


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: SuperSpun]
    #1538580 - 05/11/03 03:57 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I see what you're saying :smile:


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: SuperSpun]
    #1540008 - 05/11/03 09:31 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Moderation is key.


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: Sheepish]
    #1540724 - 05/12/03 01:25 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

agreed


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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: SuperSpun]
    #1549254 - 05/14/03 08:20 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

geez. my fucking bad man. and how were i to know u smoked weed for 7 years? and a shit load of strains. :/

anyways what strains did ya try :laugh: had to be one u liked :laugh:

sorry for all the confusion man.

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Re: I hate pot. Will I like shrooms?! [Re: shr00m]
    #1549670 - 05/14/03 11:29 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I'm glad to see some other people hear that seem to understand my problem with pot. Overall, I really don't care for much of the effects of pot. In fact I get so paranoid and introverted I sometimes downright hate it. I know its not the weed. I know a lot of people that function very well on it. Hell, I even know people that are generally more fun to be around when stoned. It just doesn't seem to mesh well with me, and the more I talk to people the more I find others who have the same problems with pot.

I have tried many different strains, and I like some much better than others, but overall I just don't care for the pot experience, so I try to only smoke it occasionally now.

On the other hand, I love mushrooms. I've never had a bad trip on them, bad moments, no bad trips though. Hell, I rarely even fell at all uncomfortable with them. The kind of uncomfortability that comes from mushrooms is entirely different than pot! Try mushrooms. You will probably like them.

It's funny, when I talk to people that are afraid to try mushrooms, they usually tell me that the reason they fear mushrooms is because they get so paranoid on pot. Before I tripped, I used to feel the same way. But trust me, it is completely different!


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