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OfflineJameZTheNewbie
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the straw myco bags
    #1527746 - 05/07/03 03:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yea has anyone used the straw myco bags if so let me know your results....colonastion time,yield, ect...thanks PEacES


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #1527898 - 05/07/03 04:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i am curious as to whether or not you can grow pan. cyans in the straw bags and then birth them onto dung or whatever else they require. anyone know if the straw bags would work for that?


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1528168 - 05/07/03 06:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

GOD DAMMIT!
STOP BUYING MYCO BAGS!!! I personally dont think they are not worth the money, it costs less to buy your own jars and do pf tek than ordering online. Take the time to do it yourself and learn something...


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Zwieback0]
    #1528185 - 05/07/03 06:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Woah spaz....calm the fuck down -
There are some newbies out there who might want to try the bags simply for their simplicity.
Think about it...if you can spend about 20 on a mycobag and get ahold of a syringe, then you grow the things very easily...try them out...see what you think...then go from there.
I understand that it's probably a better idea to buy the jars and the PC and all that shit up front...but that's for people who plan on making this a big time hobby of theirs and in addition, actually have the money to buy all the shit.
God damn - you TOTALLY overreacted here big guy ... this guy just makes a post asking some simple questions and you flip the hell out. This is a community where we're supposed to help everyone out...especially newbies and people just getting started. Besides, this is the basic mushroom cultivation board...if you don't want to see questions about mycobags or simple pf-tek then get the fuck out, because it's people like you who scare newbies into asking questions.


Edited by Room4Shroom (05/07/03 06:31 PM)


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Room4Shroom]
    #1528204 - 05/07/03 06:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

nice post Room4Shroom.

as for you, zwieback, there are lots of reasons to use mycobags. some people live in places, such as dorms/nosey-apartments/houses-with-parents/etc where it is DIFFICULT to find the resources/time/space to bust out the whole shabang from scratch.
also, they are NOT expensive when you consider that $15 gets you an OUNCE of shrooms that could return you $200 cash back... or you could see it as $15 gives you EIGHT trips... that may not be as awesome of a deal as the PFtek, but it sure is nice in SOME peoples' minds.

i think the original question still deserves answering... anyone have any positive comments?


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1528217 - 05/07/03 06:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Wowsers, a bag produces 8 trips (@ 3 grams a trip thats like 24 grams dried)? I think that is a very generous estimate, bags, from what I've read, generate around 0-9 grams (3 trips max). But I'm not sure.
I think using a bag is fine, I mean there are some people who just want to grow for themselves and only want to trip twice, three times every few months. For that, Bags are awesome. Much cheaper than dealers (also safer). And they provide a good jumping off point, you can case a bag, that way you get casing down and then you can go PF if you want. You can dunk a bag, I mean they just solve sterility problems, which are like 50% of all the problems in growing shrooms (temp, water, humidty, substrate ratios are the other 50%). But I'm new. So Zwieback, get off the high horse.
And while I agree with Room4Shroom (good post) it is kinda hypocretical to be flamming someone for flamming, but hey, there aint nothing wrong with a hypocite. In short I don't mean to be flamming anyone, after all, I'm new.


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: ]
    #1528231 - 05/07/03 06:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

theFlom -

yeah man, if you use a relatively high-yielding strain such as treasure coast (im sure TC isnt THAT much better than the others...), apparently you can get about 28g dry.

allow me to better illustrate with an example:
my friend used TC on a grain-based mycobag. after colonizing, he cut open the bag and set the "cake" in a terrarium. as of this week, he has harvested five flushes off of his non-cased mycobag cake. not counting the fifth flush, he had 19g dry (including aborts which were hella potent). the fifth flush is estimated at about 3 to 3.5g (not weighed for sure though yet )... he is dunking his cake again and hoping for a sixth flush! i was pretty amazed by this... so i guess it is possible. imagine what would happen with casing! peace


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1528590 - 05/07/03 09:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

A monkeydog I once knew had purchased 20 bags for to purpose of testing, he discovered that 20-40 cents a bag was quite cheap, used several types of subsrates and tried different incubation methods. He played around with the bags to fruit many types of mushrooms, especialy edibles from the waste that my planer gives off. The little guy was very pleased with the results

He said the bags were great for wood and grain lovers, spawn, they were great for fruiting because it was like a little myco-environment, humidity was perfect, he had dunked *in* the bag and had no trouble from contamination unless he was being careless. He said he had a single flush from one bag was 38g *dry*.

Had his cabbage head friends not come over and eaten them all he would be making chinese food for months...he also had tried several methods of make your own bag methods that were not as effective and some just didnt work out for him...maybe because he needs opposable thumbs. but re-using the bags was not a problem as long as he filled them with water\bleach solution and waited to see if they leaked....he used many of the 3 or 4 times and wants to buy truckloads as soon as he can get a job that pays more than a little catfood and some raisins

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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1528600 - 05/07/03 09:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

nice... hehe.


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Room4Shroom]
    #1528614 - 05/07/03 09:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

haha, my post was not intended to offend anyone, it was supposed to be light hearted information. I just dont think its worth the money to buy a myco bag when you could use material from scratch, learn something, and even reuse most of the material over again. You said that people might not have the money to start from scratch...thats total bullshit *(excuse the language) though. You can def. start growing from scratch with less than 20 bucks. I can start with 15 or less. 8 bucks for 12 jars, 2 for all the BRF you need for those 12 jars, and 5 for vermiculate. Its understandable that you would grow with bags when materials cant be found, but otherwise it wouldn't be. that was the pt i was trying to get across.


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Zwieback0]
    #1528638 - 05/07/03 09:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Some people are just like me...LAZY. They may use the bags because they are easy. Some people even take them out of the bags to fruit, with incredible results. Others may even use them to spawn poo and make casings. Do you cut your grass or do you pay someone else to do it? DO you change your oil, or do you paty someone else to do it?


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1528648 - 05/07/03 09:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

TerrapinSunrise...
I would like to inform you that this forum is a place to educate those who don't know the standards to growing, therefore they gain experience from those who have that experience... I don't want people getting ripped off here. Even if my language may have seemed coerce, it was not my intention. In addition, I would like to advise you NEVER to talk about the action of growing mushrooms for profits by dealing, that is not why this current forum was created, it will def. get you in trouble.
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$15 gets you an OUNCE of shrooms that could return you $200 cash back




Thanks.


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: aobnoxious]
    #1528676 - 05/07/03 09:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

aobnoxious.
I agree, there are many people out there that may be LAZY like you said. Those people can buy as many grow bags as they would like, in the end the yields the same amount of money used from grow bags compared to the same amount of money used to grow from scratch is substantial. But in consideration to t he fact that we dont know if the poster of this question is either LAZY or NOT, it would be more easily inferred and answer the question as if he wasnt, therefore we can deter ourselves from allowing a newbie to do something he may regret later. I was once a newbie, I wanted to try a grow bag also, but someone convinced me otherwise, and i truly appreciate them now.


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Zwieback0]
    #1528730 - 05/07/03 09:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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TerrapinSunrise...
I would like to inform you that this forum is a place to educate those who don't know the standards to growing, therefore they gain experience from those who have that experience... I don't want people getting ripped off here. Even if my language may have seemed coerce, it was not my intention. In addition, I would like to advise you NEVER to talk about the action of growing mushrooms for profits by dealing, that is not why this current forum was created, it will def. get you in trouble.
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$15 gets you an OUNCE of shrooms that could return you $200 cash back




Thanks.




zwieman, read the sentence more CAREFULLY! i said "COULD"! do you see that word there?? C - O - U - L - D.
i in no way condone the sale of illegal psilocybin-containing mushrooms! i only said that in the first place to illustrate the fact that mycobags are not a bad deal because you can easily get more than $15 of "product" or what-have-you. your misunderstanding of my sentence only draws more attention to it anyways.
i will not be getting in any trouble because i do not grow illegal mushrooms. if you read any bit of my post (the one from which you quoted), you would immediately notice that i was not refering to myself but to mycobag users as a whole - i was only trying to clue you in the the possible benefits of using this method over the standard pftek. never once did i say that i in particular do any such things. i do not sell illegal drugs. i do not ever intend to sell illegal drugs. please don't try to skew my posts to create a misrepresented and false image of me. thanks again...


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1528820 - 05/07/03 10:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Zwieback0,

Some people, start out buying the jars, buying the BRF, buying the Verm. They Mix, cook, wait and innoculate. Some jars get contams, others prosper. They adjust temps in thier incubators...they learn. They fruit they wait. They grow anf they are truly excited. They may say "wow I did it!" I recomend every newbie at least try it once. Very educational and and exciting....

But for ease, less time consumption, and pretty much contam free fun...one could purchase a few rye bags and use it for spawn, or a mycobag and fruit in a terranium. Some people would NEVER fruit those in the bag.


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: aobnoxious]
    #1528845 - 05/07/03 10:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, my friend always lets it colonize in the bag to avoid contams, but then when it is done, he tears the bag away and just treats it like a regular cake or casing. a lot can be learned even from using mycobags it seems.

by the way, we seem to be getting further and further away from the originally posted question about the straw bags. does anyone have experience with them? that's all... peace everyone.


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1528893 - 05/07/03 10:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ya see im not paying for them i won them in that myco bag contest....i was asking about the new straw ones i never heard about them..they are suppose to yield better cause its straw so yea...im not an expert but im not a newbie ethier


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #1528895 - 05/07/03 10:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

so anyone know bout the straw bags??


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1528925 - 05/07/03 10:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

If you did not want people to "skew" your sentences into something more or less than what you intended it to mean, you should not have used that metaphor for comparison because it may lead people to jump to their own conclusions.  I don't care if you are drug lord for an east coast mafia or grow for the purposes of making money, I could care less.  But on this forum we are restricted from saying anything that may relate to the distribution of mushrooms.

In addition, your metaphor is also incorrect.  I have had the opportunity to compare yield by yield from myco bags and growing from scratch.  Ive had a friend who grew soley from myco bags, while I did the pftek, it is undoubtely a fact that pf tek grants a more bountiful yield for the money you paid for. 

I agree that myco bags take less time because it has already been prepared for you, but I disagree with your other comment.  If necessary precautions are taken and followed through out a process of tek, contamination would never happen. 

This is all I have to say, end of discussion for my part.  GOod Luck to everyone.

As for the original question...yes straw is a better.  Your going to have to try it out anyways  :grin:


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Zwieback0]
    #1529056 - 05/07/03 11:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

am i getting yeld at again im confused??? :confused:


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Zwieback0]
    #1529176 - 05/08/03 12:35 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think you and the boys could calm down a tad?
Please do!

If you can't aswer JameZ's question....don't post.

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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Roadkill]
    #1529276 - 05/08/03 01:00 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #1529397 - 05/08/03 01:27 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yw JameZ

I haven't used the straw myco bags or I'd tell ya.

Might be a little too early to get an answer...this is a semi new product.
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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Zwieback0]
    #1529518 - 05/08/03 02:09 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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haha, my post was not intended to offend anyone, it was supposed to be light hearted information. I just dont think its worth the money to buy a myco bag when you could use material from scratch, learn something, and even reuse most of the material over again. You said that people might not have the money to start from scratch...thats total bullshit *(excuse the language) though. You can def. start growing from scratch with less than 20 bucks. I can start with 15 or less. 8 bucks for 12 jars, 2 for all the BRF you need for those 12 jars, and 5 for vermiculate. Its understandable that you would grow with bags when materials cant be found, but otherwise it wouldn't be. that was the pt i was trying to get across.




I take no offense....ever...hit me in my eye and I'm not offended...just a little angry, but as this is a discussion forrum I would not take what you have said offensively nor would I take it lightly....you make a valid point as do all of us... I only advise people first starting to keep off the kits....they are costly and not as effective as other methods....

Every method and Technique presented has some merit, some only as a foundation for failure others as a way to develop better methods for growing as well as confidence in your abilities as a grower.... Look up just the posts that I have done in the last month.... You will see what a few of my friends have done in the last few months and even before.... I prod them to try new things and experiment with the ideas that others come up wth, one of their pics was of an 11inch Equador grown on birdseed containing lots of sunflower seed....it's known to harbor contaminants but after his first flush he soaked it for 16 hours, drained it in the bag by wedging it between a couple of boards while he slept, the next morning he returned it to a dark pace for a few days brought it out to start over....
he managed 4 flushes and most from the first 2 were 7-12 inches and one of the monsters was 47g wet....everything was done while it was in a bag....

He thought it was great because there is less mess, he didnt need a terrarium and he only had to pop a bag into his PC....it doesnt hold much, a mirro 8qt....his comment was 'headache free'.... he's had about a year of experience growing and was willing to try new things...I recomended it and he tried it.

Jars *are* a great method...I used them for quite some time before I discovered I could use them for canning my own spagetti sauce....ok.....I still do for making spawn. I have them ranging from 1/2 pint up to 64oz....I find them to take up alot of space but I also see alot of need for them...I have an AA 921 and a harvey autoclave...I've had cakes that had produced almost as well as any other method I have tried and still must say that I love using them, I've tried bags myself and depending on how I pack them in my PC, I can fit over twice as much substrate in it, I like bags....soak, drain, fill, vacuum, seal, roll and stuff. PC, cool and impregnate...

I find more options available in bags, any grain, wood, even poo....you ever pack poo in a jar....I didnt like it....it's a higher risk of contamination, you can use your hand, a spoon, a ladle or anything and it still makes a mess and you need several jars to make 2 pounds of poo....2 lbs in a bag is 1 bag.... and you can tape it closed after the water ratio is right, cook it on medium in the PC or a pot of water if your careful and from what I've heard even in the oven at 200F for an hour, add some spawn after it cools and your good to go.... I've seen and experienced fewer contamination problems in bags that with jars...generaly it's because of carelessness or over familiarity....dont get too familiar with you sack....and the same appiles to a jar....

cost effectively, jars are less expensive, unless you are prone to breakage, in which case...invest in plastics, Myco Supply mentioned they may be adding them to their line...I hope so, they are more costly up front but almost impossible to break, and I kinda question the cost effective part a little, have you replaced rusted lids and rings...it adds up....going with plastic lids is better in that respect, because they dont rust and last more than 40 runs through a PC...so you end up with a jar that costs about $1 and a bag thats about $.30....you replace the bag a dozen times and never replace the jar....but you make more efficient use of the PC with a bag by doing more in each session...it evens out...maybe jars are still cheaper....I would just write it up as personal preference.....

....have you ever tried a bag, I havent used premade because grain and straw are pretty damn cheap and I kinda see that as a little overpriced but if you dont have a PC or access to one it's a great way to go...have you noticed the price of premade jars....I've seen them as high as $60 for a 6 1/2 pints (but they throw in a syringe) and the average seems to be around $45 for a dozen....buy 3 cases and you have spent enough for an AA pressure cooker....pefilled and sterilized bags are pretty cheap in comparison, 4 lbs for $50 with a shipping weight of 4lbs, compared to 2 1/2 lbs and a shipping weight of 10lbs....

so...from my own experience, that of a few friends, my rat, ferret and the toe bite weasle of my wifes....it deosnt matter, both are effective, both can work well, both can provide immense success or catastrophic failure, and feasably are around the same price per pound to use....the only difference I can see is that you dont *need* a fruiting chamber for bags, but it can be a nice addition....oh...and now I wanna go buy some more bags now....I believe I found some enoki mushrooms in my new back yard, I wanna see how they do....shiitaki works great with maple....ok, love ya lady bye-bye....

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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1529572 - 05/08/03 02:29 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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$15 gets you an OUNCE of shrooms that could return you $200 cash back... or you could see it as $15 gives you EIGHT trips...




Personaly, I have never dealt anything and I look down on people that 'brag' about it or even speak of it in public. I have seen the peanalties of it and know for a fact that dealing is stupid...it's easy to trace money, if you didnt earn it, you either won it gambling or in an illegal manor...the penalties for dealing are becoming more and more severe and now more so than ever in this country maximums are being given and frequently the time is being served, they are getting rid of 2 for 1 and 3 for one on drug and violent offenses....it isnt worth the small amount you make.....

Discourage dealing, what you can obtain from the experience should not be pimped out like my sister....(had to, the shoe fit, she's a stripper), it's enlightening, share it but dont sell it, it degrades the experience and just brings tougher penalties for people that dont deal and for those that just pick...show me that greed isn't all that people in this country cares about....

plus...if ya deal and you get busted....you may meet my family....dont worry, it's not always like the stories you hear...show the proper respect to the ones that deserve it and dont start any shit and it's *not* a half pleasant experience... but if your too cockey....you may be lucky enough not to live to the end of the sentance.

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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #1529608 - 05/08/03 02:41 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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so anyone know bout the straw bags??




Sorry about not getting to you imediatly....Straw seems to yeild a bit lower that grains, not a tried and tested thing....my corn pops said they only tried it twice, it was around 1/3 of the dry weight of a bag of grain...the nutritional value os just to damn low...but you milage may vary because corny said he doesnt know the actual ingredients that are in your bag....his were made from chopped wheat straw soaked in malt extract and dextrose 7:1 mix...and he couldnt do a proper evaluation because the green meaney jumped in when he opened the bag....

so...in short, try it out, there isn't much to loose except a few spores....if you arent happy with the results...dump it fill it with grain and start again....if you are...Whoohoo.....and give us th results either way....

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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Roadkill]
    #1529622 - 05/08/03 02:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you think you and the boys could calm down a tad?
Please do!

If you can't aswer JameZ's question....don't post.




My appologies to all....

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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #1529830 - 05/08/03 04:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

what's up with everyone quoting me... i already said i dont condone the sale of drugs dammit, what else do you want me to say???... please don't turn me into a bad person. and anyweays what the fuck sdo you mean when you say my "metaphor" is incorrect??? i never offered any metaphors/ n the first place... im so confused by this,,,, zwiebnack, if you had knowledge about mycobaggs why didtn you say so in the first place! i was onyl defending mycobags bcceause i felt you wer being overly hardsh about it. but if youre cool about it, then great, let people chose whatefever method they want to use and dont fuckign judge them fro it. if you use one method, awesome, but that doesnt ,mean everyone should use that methos. i persoanlly dont see any need whatsoever to be upset or angry or anytingg about any of this shit. imo this is all ridiculoud stupid shit an i think its fucking immmmatuer that NOBODY has answered jameZthenewvbies's original question. i vfeeel that thsi opst should be delted all together because it is nothing but a stupid fjucking arguemnt about nothing. we should all learn to fucking respect each other this is ridiculous. i may be drunk, but i know for sure that jamez deserves an asrwer as i said before and that we should all stop fucing running our mouths. i really hope nobody posts ANYIHTNG else unrelated to the original topic. im starting to get irritated by all this bullshit, if you dont have anythign relvant or productive to say, then close your godman mouth. this is my last post and i am sorry for wasting space on the forums. goodbye.


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #1531413 - 05/08/03 05:44 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

well the bags are on the way il post the results of them...see ya then


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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #1531470 - 05/08/03 06:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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well the bags are on the way il post the results of them...see ya then


Please do!

I'm gonna lock this...so please start a new thread with your results.

Click!


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