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 Roadkill
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 Re: the straw myco bags  [Re: Zwieback0]
#1529176 - 05/07/03 10:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think you and the boys could calm down a tad?
Please do!
If you can't aswer JameZ's question....don't post.
thanks!~
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Laterz, Road
Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!
Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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 JameZTheNewbie
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 Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Roadkill]
#1529276 - 05/07/03 11:00 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks roadkill
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Roadkill
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yw JameZ
I haven't used the straw myco bags or I'd tell ya.
Might be a little too early to get an answer...this is a semi new product.
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Laterz, Road
Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!
Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Zwieback0]
#1529518 - 05/08/03 12:09 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha, my post was not intended to offend anyone, it was supposed to be light hearted information. I just dont think its worth the money to buy a myco bag when you could use material from scratch, learn something, and even reuse most of the material over again. You said that people might not have the money to start from scratch...thats total bullshit *(excuse the language) though. You can def. start growing from scratch with less than 20 bucks. I can start with 15 or less. 8 bucks for 12 jars, 2 for all the BRF you need for those 12 jars, and 5 for vermiculate. Its understandable that you would grow with bags when materials cant be found, but otherwise it wouldn't be. that was the pt i was trying to get across.
I take no offense....ever...hit me in my eye and I'm not offended...just a little angry, but as this is a discussion forrum I would not take what you have said offensively nor would I take it lightly....you make a valid point as do all of us... I only advise people first starting to keep off the kits....they are costly and not as effective as other methods....
Every method and Technique presented has some merit, some only as a foundation for failure others as a way to develop better methods for growing as well as confidence in your abilities as a grower.... Look up just the posts that I have done in the last month.... You will see what a few of my friends have done in the last few months and even before.... I prod them to try new things and experiment with the ideas that others come up wth, one of their pics was of an 11inch Equador grown on birdseed containing lots of sunflower seed....it's known to harbor contaminants but after his first flush he soaked it for 16 hours, drained it in the bag by wedging it between a couple of boards while he slept, the next morning he returned it to a dark pace for a few days brought it out to start over....
he managed 4 flushes and most from the first 2 were 7-12 inches and one of the monsters was 47g wet....everything was done while it was in a bag....
He thought it was great because there is less mess, he didnt need a terrarium and he only had to pop a bag into his PC....it doesnt hold much, a mirro 8qt....his comment was 'headache free'.... he's had about a year of experience growing and was willing to try new things...I recomended it and he tried it.
Jars *are* a great method...I used them for quite some time before I discovered I could use them for canning my own spagetti sauce....ok.....I still do for making spawn. I have them ranging from 1/2 pint up to 64oz....I find them to take up alot of space but I also see alot of need for them...I have an AA 921 and a harvey autoclave...I've had cakes that had produced almost as well as any other method I have tried and still must say that I love using them, I've tried bags myself and depending on how I pack them in my PC, I can fit over twice as much substrate in it, I like bags....soak, drain, fill, vacuum, seal, roll and stuff. PC, cool and impregnate...
I find more options available in bags, any grain, wood, even poo....you ever pack poo in a jar....I didnt like it....it's a higher risk of contamination, you can use your hand, a spoon, a ladle or anything and it still makes a mess and you need several jars to make 2 pounds of poo....2 lbs in a bag is 1 bag.... and you can tape it closed after the water ratio is right, cook it on medium in the PC or a pot of water if your careful and from what I've heard even in the oven at 200F for an hour, add some spawn after it cools and your good to go.... I've seen and experienced fewer contamination problems in bags that with jars...generaly it's because of carelessness or over familiarity....dont get too familiar with you sack....and the same appiles to a jar....
cost effectively, jars are less expensive, unless you are prone to breakage, in which case...invest in plastics, Myco Supply mentioned they may be adding them to their line...I hope so, they are more costly up front but almost impossible to break, and I kinda question the cost effective part a little, have you replaced rusted lids and rings...it adds up....going with plastic lids is better in that respect, because they dont rust and last more than 40 runs through a PC...so you end up with a jar that costs about $1 and a bag thats about $.30....you replace the bag a dozen times and never replace the jar....but you make more efficient use of the PC with a bag by doing more in each session...it evens out...maybe jars are still cheaper....I would just write it up as personal preference.....
....have you ever tried a bag, I havent used premade because grain and straw are pretty damn cheap and I kinda see that as a little overpriced but if you dont have a PC or access to one it's a great way to go...have you noticed the price of premade jars....I've seen them as high as $60 for a 6 1/2 pints (but they throw in a syringe) and the average seems to be around $45 for a dozen....buy 3 cases and you have spent enough for an AA pressure cooker....pefilled and sterilized bags are pretty cheap in comparison, 4 lbs for $50 with a shipping weight of 4lbs, compared to 2 1/2 lbs and a shipping weight of 10lbs....
so...from my own experience, that of a few friends, my rat, ferret and the toe bite weasle of my wifes....it deosnt matter, both are effective, both can work well, both can provide immense success or catastrophic failure, and feasably are around the same price per pound to use....the only difference I can see is that you dont *need* a fruiting chamber for bags, but it can be a nice addition....oh...and now I wanna go buy some more bags now....I believe I found some enoki mushrooms in my new back yard, I wanna see how they do....shiitaki works great with maple....ok, love ya lady bye-bye....
Prisoner#1
...it's really just your own preference, but find out for your self what works for you....
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Prisoner#1
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$15 gets you an OUNCE of shrooms that could return you $200 cash back... or you could see it as $15 gives you EIGHT trips...
Personaly, I have never dealt anything and I look down on people that 'brag' about it or even speak of it in public. I have seen the peanalties of it and know for a fact that dealing is stupid...it's easy to trace money, if you didnt earn it, you either won it gambling or in an illegal manor...the penalties for dealing are becoming more and more severe and now more so than ever in this country maximums are being given and frequently the time is being served, they are getting rid of 2 for 1 and 3 for one on drug and violent offenses....it isnt worth the small amount you make.....
Discourage dealing, what you can obtain from the experience should not be pimped out like my sister....(had to, the shoe fit, she's a stripper), it's enlightening, share it but dont sell it, it degrades the experience and just brings tougher penalties for people that dont deal and for those that just pick...show me that greed isn't all that people in this country cares about....
plus...if ya deal and you get busted....you may meet my family....dont worry, it's not always like the stories you hear...show the proper respect to the ones that deserve it and dont start any shit and it's *not* a half pleasant experience... but if your too cockey....you may be lucky enough not to live to the end of the sentance.
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so anyone know bout the straw bags??
Sorry about not getting to you imediatly....Straw seems to yeild a bit lower that grains, not a tried and tested thing....my corn pops said they only tried it twice, it was around 1/3 of the dry weight of a bag of grain...the nutritional value os just to damn low...but you milage may vary because corny said he doesnt know the actual ingredients that are in your bag....his were made from chopped wheat straw soaked in malt extract and dextrose 7:1 mix...and he couldnt do a proper evaluation because the green meaney jumped in when he opened the bag....
so...in short, try it out, there isn't much to loose except a few spores....if you arent happy with the results...dump it fill it with grain and start again....if you are...Whoohoo.....and give us th results either way....
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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Roadkill]
#1529622 - 05/08/03 12:44 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think you and the boys could calm down a tad?
Please do!
If you can't aswer JameZ's question....don't post.
My appologies to all....
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TerrapinSunrise
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Re: the straw myco bags [Re: Prisoner#1]
#1529830 - 05/08/03 02:45 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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what's up with everyone quoting me... i already said i dont condone the sale of drugs dammit, what else do you want me to say???... please don't turn me into a bad person. and anyweays what the fuck sdo you mean when you say my "metaphor" is incorrect??? i never offered any metaphors/ n the first place... im so confused by this,,,, zwiebnack, if you had knowledge about mycobaggs why didtn you say so in the first place! i was onyl defending mycobags bcceause i felt you wer being overly hardsh about it. but if youre cool about it, then great, let people chose whatefever method they want to use and dont fuckign judge them fro it. if you use one method, awesome, but that doesnt ,mean everyone should use that methos. i persoanlly dont see any need whatsoever to be upset or angry or anytingg about any of this shit. imo this is all ridiculoud stupid shit an i think its fucking immmmatuer that NOBODY has answered jameZthenewvbies's original question. i vfeeel that thsi opst should be delted all together because it is nothing but a stupid fjucking arguemnt about nothing. we should all learn to fucking respect each other this is ridiculous. i may be drunk, but i know for sure that jamez deserves an asrwer as i said before and that we should all stop fucing running our mouths. i really hope nobody posts ANYIHTNG else unrelated to the original topic. im starting to get irritated by all this bullshit, if you dont have anythign relvant or productive to say, then close your godman mouth. this is my last post and i am sorry for wasting space on the forums. goodbye.
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JameZTheNewbie
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well the bags are on the way il post the results of them...see ya then
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Roadkill
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well the bags are on the way il post the results of them...see ya then
Please do!
I'm gonna lock this...so please start a new thread with your results.
Click!
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Laterz, Road
Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!
Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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