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Invisiblesilversoul7
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Cost of War
    #1527272 - 05/07/03 01:04 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Cost of War [Re: silversoul7]
    #1527296 - 05/07/03 01:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

pocket change...


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Re: Cost of War [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1527311 - 05/07/03 01:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Pocket change lifted from everyone's pocket, every day of the year adds up to quite a bit of money. We just paid our taxes on April 15th. Although my income increased less than 1% from the previous year, my tax burden increased over 10% from the previous year.

POCKET CHANGE MY ASS, some of us are paying for it.


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Re: Cost of War [Re: Evolving]
    #1527343 - 05/07/03 01:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

And some of us pay for roads...And some of us pay for schools...And some of us pay for the postal service. Yes. You live in America, you Pay Taxes. I'm sorry, but these are the facts. I hear Nevada's easy on yer pocket-book, and theres plenty of pristine wasteland out there for ya...


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Re: Cost of War [Re: Evolving]
    #1527348 - 05/07/03 01:31 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You dont pay for the cost of americas war. Your in canada right?....


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Re: Cost of War [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1527364 - 05/07/03 01:34 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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You dont pay for the cost of americas war.  Your in canada right?.... 



Wha...?  :confused: :confused: :confused:


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Re: Cost of War [Re: silversoul7]
    #1527372 - 05/07/03 01:38 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I was asking if evolving was in america or canada...
Mabye i confused him with rono :shocked:  Dude, iam VERY very!! sorry bout that... :wink:


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Re: Cost of War [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1527902 - 05/07/03 04:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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And some of us pay for roads...And some of us pay for schools...And some of us pay for the postal service. Yes. You live in America, you Pay Taxes. I'm sorry, but these are the facts.



I pay for it all, what's your point? I am well aware of the facts. Why should I or anyone else be penalized for being more productive? How does the cost/benefit analysis justify the actions in Iraqi? The facts are that this country's headed for a big economic fall and most people (yourself apparently included) don't even realize it. Deficit spending simply means future tax increases or monetization of the debt. What happens in the future when massive tax increases, inflation of the money supply or both are put into effect for try to pay for our government's irresponsible spending? Sooner or later the bills will have to be paid, your future will probably be greatly impacted. Unless you die before then, you might realize the all the implications of the facts.

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I hear Nevada's easy on yer pocket-book, and theres plenty of pristine wasteland out there for ya...



Nevada does not have any less Federal income tax than any other state. Your 'love it or leave it' type comments lack wit or relevance.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Cost of War [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1527929 - 05/07/03 04:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

No, I'm in America. I did not and do not support the actions in Iraq. Our foreign policy is very short sighted in MANY respects, the economic costs (for the average taxpayer)are one of them. Of course there are beneficiaries, but they are people and organizations who get government contracts.


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Re: Cost of War [Re: silversoul7]
    #1528025 - 05/07/03 05:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The war was a true waste of tax-payer money but the comparisons used by that  site are terrible. They reference welfare programs such as, Pre-School (Head Start), etc.

Before I made a career change, I was an accountant for years. During that time I worked for a regional Head Start group. Do you realise that Head Start honchos fly first class, they eat at 5 star restaurants, and stay at 5 star hotels while on travel? That they pay themselves 6 figure salaries? All of that comes out of the head start budget. You should have seen the amounts charged to their Sprint Fon cards! The money for Head Start comes from the government, taxes that is, green gold.... for them.... it's disgusting really.  :mad:

I have an idea... how about giving the money back to those who earned it? I pay for my childs health care, school, etc. A little relief would be truly welcomed.
       


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Re: Cost of War [Re: Evolving]
    #1528429 - 05/07/03 08:11 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"I pay for it all, what's your point? I am well aware of the facts"

The point is, in your original post you whine about how the war is sucking money out of your pocket. I was merely reminding you that so do many other things, probably much more so Your concerns about the economy and the way things are going are all valid, but dont turn George W's idiotic economic policy into another way to bash the war. The cost of the war, to quote an earlier poster, IS pocket change. The U.S. can sustain a level of spending this high, and probably higher, with little impact to whit.

"Nevada does not have any less Federal income tax than any other state. Your 'love it or leave it' type comments lack wit or relevance. "

Yes. They do however have no state income tax, and I fail to see how you can argue that paying NO state income tax would not put money into your pocket. If its money your after, there you go....Relevant? Seems to be....


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Re: Cost of War [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #1528658 - 05/07/03 09:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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The cost of the war, to quote an earlier poster, IS pocket change.



Maybe billiions of dollars is pocket change to parasites who suck off of the government teat, but it isn't so to those who foot the bill. In case you aren't aware, debt costs more than the actual expenditure, there is service on the debt. This will have to be paid in the future.

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The U.S. can sustain a level of spending this high, and probably higher, with little impact to whit.



For the time being the U.S. can sustain this level of spending, but what are the long term consequences. Do you know how much federal debt is there per capita in the U.S.? Do you know how will this be paid?

Your insinuation that I should relocate to Nevada when I disagree with the irresponsible spending habits of the Federal government is asinine. This will have no bearing on bad Federal policies.


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