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Pharmahuasca - advice?
    #15271355 - 10/24/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I am thinking of finally doing pharmahuasca, which I have had the ability to try for several years (I hope my syrian rue is still good), yet have not yet done due mostly to trepidation.

I think I may go for it tomorrow, depending on the weather, and I'm curious as to how different the character of the trip is from magic mushrooms, in terms of how it affects one's thought processes - and really any other useful comparisons anyone can think of. 

I tend to prefer to trip by myself, and have taken mushrooms more times than I can count on a dozen people's hands, so I should be okay without having to think about a sitter or anything like that right?

I was thinking of taking 3g of syrian rue tea and then 200 or 250 mg of DMT in a capsule 45 minutes after the rue.  I weigh about 250 lbs.  Does this sound like a good dose for a first try?


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15271402 - 10/24/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'd take a bit more rue and less Dmt. Don't do your first time on anything new alone in case you are allergic for example to the rue. Beware rue tastes terrible. Look up my microwave rue extraction tek as it's a lot easier to take pills than drink the stuff.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #15271464 - 10/24/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd take a bit more rue and less Dmt. Don't do your first time on anything new alone in case you are allergic for example to the rue. Beware rue tastes terrible. Look up my microwave rue extraction tek as it's a lot easier to take pills than drink the stuff.




think you could give me a link?  I had considered doing a harmaline/harmine extraction but figured tea might not be that awful.  Now it looks like I'll be extracting after all.

Any tips on how much more rue / less DMT and why?

Thanks for the advice about an allergy.  I'll make sure someone else is home at least.

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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15271504 - 10/24/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Any tips on how much more rue / less DMT and why?





i've never tried it personally, but you may want to read the posts that joemolloy made about that subject in this thread here.

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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: awakendone]
    #15271674 - 10/24/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Agree... More rue less DMT


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: HarryL]
    #15271682 - 10/24/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

how much/how much less?  they do allow dosing info on this forum these days don't they?  hmm i should check the rules; it's been a while.

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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15272876 - 10/24/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I would not recommend doing over 120mgs of DMT orally your first time

I usually take 150mgs and that is SUPER fucking intense for me. I usually take 4 grams of syrian rue as well.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: clemens]
    #15272908 - 10/24/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Shit, I'd recommend 80-100mg of DMT for a first trip.  You never know how your body will metabolize the harmalas and DMT.  Oral DMT can sometimes throw you extended breakthroughs where you are stuck "there" for a long time.  If DMT treats you nice, then cool, but its real easy to panic if shit gets strange.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15272923 - 10/24/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I would say 100mgs because I find the pharmahuasca to be very very gentle.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: clemens]
    #15273543 - 10/24/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

There was something on erowid that said most people found 100 mgs "disappointing" - but it is impossible to know how my body chemistry will work until I test it out.  I definitely appreciate the advice.  I think I'll start my syrian rue extraction now =)


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15273567 - 10/24/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Im not an expert but I have seen more then 3 people take 100mgs and have a nice 2-3 hour experience, not to intense at all but very visual still.

My first real pharmahuasca dose was 175mg, I was seeing female goddess ect...


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15273595 - 10/24/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

what is the best and easiest way to go about extracting the actives from syrian rue seeds?  I read some teks that involve acetic acid and organic solvents and things like that, which I'd rather not have to bother with unless absolutely necessary.  Could a simple methanol or even ethanol (vodka) extraction work?  Acidic water , brought to a boil, filtered and then boiled off?  Can anyone offer suggestions on how to do this properly?


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15273613 - 10/24/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Just make syrian rue tea, taste like coffee brewed in someone's asshole

We made some syrian rue putty once, that wasn't bad at all. No nausea and I swallowed it like a pill.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: clemens]
    #15289168 - 10/28/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

just drank 5.7 g of rue boiled with ~ 2 g ascorbic acid.  I boiled it down to a managable amount to drink without being disgusting.

in approximately 43 minutes, will be taking what almost reached .1g, or 100 milligrams, of N,N-dimethyltryptamine on my scale.

wish me luck!


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15289176 - 10/28/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

solid dose

its fucking amazing


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: clemens]
    #15289189 - 10/28/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I was inspired to do this because earlier today my best friend who somehow had never before smoked DMT was introduced to it, but wasn't up with his technique or something like that and wasn't able to feel it much, despite my really LOADING the bowl.  When I finally got back by myself, I had to try it and make sure it hadn't gone bad or something.

It hadn't.  And it was beautiful.  And since I haven't started swelling up yet or anything I'm pretty sure I don't have to worry about being allergic to syrian rue.  Now - time to just let the metabolism do its thing so i can drink coca-cola with DMT in it.

Edit: Wow, didn't know rue would be so active! it actually feels nice.  My face feels warm but there is no flushing.

Do I have to worry about the fact that I'd gotten these syrian rue seeds at least two years ago?  I would hate to waste precious DMT if the MAOI dose were too low ...

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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15289251 - 10/28/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If anyone could give music advice or anything like that I'd appreciate it!

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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15289298 - 10/28/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

45 minutes have passed.  DMT ingested.  The point of no return has been passed.  Oh shit!

?holds on to seat of pants:

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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15289344 - 10/28/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Listen to String Cheese Incident.... or Shpongle.... or the sounds of DMT Land.

He probably wont get this message until his trip is done.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: JimLahey]
    #15289414 - 10/28/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Divine Moments of Truth ~ Shpongle

that is my favorite way to consume DMT, pharmahuasca is amazing.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: clemens]
    #15295384 - 10/29/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

wow.  I'm kinda speechless.

I listened to music for a bit but I sat in the dark in the quiet for most of the experience.  I'd try to describe it, but words seem to fail.

Thank you for all the advice everyone; you were spot-on.  Much appreciated.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15295944 - 10/29/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Sweet! I am hopefully going to try ayahuasca/pharma soon. Just need to choose if I want to do pharma first or the traditional brew of caapi and chacruna. Congrats bro!


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: JimLahey]
    #15298083 - 10/30/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Sweet! I am hopefully going to try ayahuasca/pharma soon. Just need to choose if I want to do pharma first or the traditional brew of caapi and chacruna. Congrats bro!




Had I had more patience, I would have boiled down the syrian rue extract to the point where i could scrape it up and put it into gel-caps.  As it was, I came very close to puking on numerous occasions and wasn't able to eat until about 12 hours afterwards.  I've heard that B. Caapi is a bit more gentle - at least in terms of the way the trip feels.  I have no idea how true or untrue these reports are, but probably will try the B. Caapi at some point in the near future.

This was a truly profound event.  I remember thinking over and over, once it had mostly ended, "Jeez, am I ever going to be the same?" and I think the answer is no - but I think it's a good "no". 

This definitely isn't for everyone.  There's the guy posting about how he wants to kill himself and whether he should try ayahuasca in order to fix himself, and I can definitely say - in my opinon - that's a terrible idea.  As my case proves, it doesn't matter how seasoned a psychonaut you are; DMT - be it in pharmahuasca, ayahuasca, or freebase form - is virtually guaranteed to crack your head open and make the universe burst out.


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Re: Pharmahuasca - advice? [Re: the spiral]
    #15301990 - 10/30/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Glad you had the experience :tripping:


I enjoyed listening to music on the come down but I fully agree with you about taking it in darkness.

I want to try taking pharmahuasca or aya in a  ceremonial sense. I need to go visit some fucking mistro shamans


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