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Crappy PC Performance.
#15259189 - 10/21/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I've had this laptop for about a year, and it's generally pretty solid for gaming. However the graphics are not quite what I expected, and the performance is confusing. Some games that I should be able to play smoothly chug, while some more demanding games don't. The chugging makes some games totally unplayable, but some are just choppy and annoying. If any of you smart computer types can help tell me what is wrong I would appreciate it.
Specs: Samsung laptop Intel Core i5 M430 @2.27GHZ 4GB RAM (3 usable) GeForce GT 330M 1GB
Games that chug: Assassin's Creed 2 Batman Arkhum Asylum GTA4 Metro 2033 Red Faction Guerrilla
Games that work (pretty)good: Bioshock 2 Deus Ex HR Fallout 3/New Vegas/Oblivion L4D2 Mass Effect 2 Portal 2 TF2
Also Starcraft 2 which is the game I play the most, I have to play on the lowest graphics settings, and the game still chugs badly when 4-6 players start hitting 100+control.
Is this the level of performance I should expect considering my specs?
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15259286 - 10/21/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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well you've got a shitload of graphics memory, and not too bad specs, nice processor. so it's a windows issue. I would try
1)updating all your drivers
2)go to msconfig get rid of all startup programs you don't want running hogging the processor
3)go to applications and uninstall any applications you don't use
4)did I already say update your drivers? download bench mark software, bench mark your desktop graphics ability. is pixelation at maximum setting? geforce? go to the nvidia site> drivers> model of graphics card
5)what games, download all latest patches for all games
6)restart in safe mode, run a virus scan. run a check disk while you are at it, schedule to run at start up
why the last one?? hey will it hurt get that thing clean while you are at it any of that not make sense?? let me know which parts and I'll find some links to help you out. good luck
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15259600 - 10/21/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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What OS?
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Heffy said: Games that chug: Assassin's Creed 2 Batman Arkhum Asylum GTA4 Metro 2033 Red Faction Guerrilla
Games that work (pretty)good: Bioshock 2 Deus Ex HR Fallout 3/New Vegas/Oblivion L4D2 Mass Effect 2 Portal 2 TF2
First of all, Assassin's Creed 2, Batman AA, Metro2033, and not sure about Red Faction? - SHOULD cripple that system. Metro2033 is one of the most graphically demanding games on the market currently and with graphics maxed out and AA cranked all the way up I've seen it hinder systems with GTX 580s in SLI and a 990x OCed to 5Ghz. Hinder, not cripple.
That it works fine in Deux Ex is a little puzzling, as that is quite demanding as well. New Vegas is a shock just because that game is buggy as hell.
SC2 is also demanding as hell.
1. Upgrade to Win7 64bit (I assume you are using a 32bit OS since you only have 3GB usable RAM?) 2. If you can set your memory timings manually in the BIOS, do so. (I assume you can't though, since it's a laptop) 3. Rule out software first, do what imachavel said. Make sure you have the latest graphics drivers. Choose the "Clean Install" option by choosing 'Custom' install and then check the box to Perform a Clean Install. This will remove any settings and previous drivers and clean install for you.
4. Benchmark your video card. - http://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/ If you are on XP/Vista just use 3DmarkVantage. Run it with no other background programs or anything else in the system running. Post your score
5. Your CPU could be bottlenecking, check your CPU usage in the Windows Task Manager (performance tab) while gaming.
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Shroomism]
#15259738 - 10/21/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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What OS?
Derp silly me. Windows 7 home premium 32 bit. It looks like I can upgrade to 64 for free since I have 32?
I recently updated the drivers, but will try again with a "clean sweep". Downloading 3d Mark now. Will try the other things you mentioned.
I wouldn't say it works 100% with Deus Ex. More like 80-90, while AC2 is like 70%, and GTA4 is like 40%.
Thanks for the advice.
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15259920 - 10/22/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm. My computer crashed during the benchmark test. The first two tests both had like 4-8 FPS and then during the processor test the computer just shut itself off.
I think something is seriously wrong.
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15260191 - 10/22/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I'd say you definitely have a problem. First thing you want to do is check your temperatures. Did it just completely shut off? Or did it give you an error/BSOD? Were you able to start it up right away after? If the computer just completely shut itself off one of two things happened: overheated or power failure. Since it was during the CPU test most likely overheated.
Download HWmonitor - http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html Check your CPU temps and also your +12v reading
If CPU is running hot, that could be half your problem right there. It's a laptop... when's the last time you blasted that thing thoroughly with canned air? Those things build up dust fast. Magnets in fact. Get yourself some canned air and blast the fuck out of that thing in every opening alternate with a vacuum for maximum effectiveness. That's the best you can hope to do short of taking it completely apart to blow out all the dust and reseat the heatsink/clean and apply fresh thermal compound. Which I really wouldn't recommend unless you are comfortable dissecting the fuck out of a laptop..
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Shroomism]
#15260984 - 10/22/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah no error or anything just, running........off.
Will check temperatures. Have suspected that might be a problem for a while. Games like GTA4 run smoothly for like 10 minutes and then the machine gets hot and it slows waaaay down.
I guess there's not too much I can do about that. Do you think the case design is most likely what causes the overheating, or are the parts in the machine just running too hot with not enough fans?
Will hit it with canned air. Have been thinking about buying a new desktop anyways, but I was hoping this could hold on a while longer Thanks for the advice.
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15260995 - 10/22/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I got HW-Moniter
Should I just run a game or the benchmark again and watch what the heat/voltage jumps to?
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15261734 - 10/22/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK so I am running at roughly 42C(107F) at the desktop and 52C(125F) while playing Arkhum Asylum. Gonna try another game.
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15262027 - 10/22/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's not too terribly bad. You don't really want to see if go above 80c or so under heavy load. Make sure to check it regularly after about 10-20 mins of gaming Also try monitoring your GPU temps etc. http://www.evga.com/precision/ What's your +12v reading in HWMonitor?
Yeah if it just went dead... shut off. Either it overheated or power issues. If you already blasted the dust out, Keep an eye on those temps and voltages.
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Shroomism]
#15262055 - 10/22/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Henceforth:
drive partition or HD #1 = OS
drive partition or HD #2 = Everything else
(severe) Software issue? re-install windows. Hardware issues are then that much easier to diagnose.
It could be as stupid as cat hair in a fan if it is overheating. Or it could be bad sectors on a hard drive, or the same for the RAM, or the graphics, which I assume are integrated onto the mobo. You just test them one at a time until you find something that's broken.
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15262242 - 10/22/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see that you already got some solid advice in this thread, I will add that when I had a gaming laptop(I have owned two), driver support varied wildly and some games refused to run properly. Your temps don't seem to bad, do you know what the tj max is for your processor(max temp before the computer shuts itself off)?
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: blujay]
#15262420 - 10/22/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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One other thing, I would get furmark(to test the gpu under load) and prime95(to put the cpu under extreme stress). That might show you which part is failing on you. Be advised, these two programs beat the shit out of your system.
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I ran 3D Mark successfully.
Here is a copy/paste of the results. Sorry it's so big.
It says on the results page: "your score is lower compared to similar systems". Dunno what I should be looking for but it seems there is clearly a problem. I've been running CPUID all day and it hasn't gone above 52C(125F) or 12.35 voltage. I played Arkhum Aylum, Deus Ex, Red Faction(which got too choppy to drive in), and ran 3D Mark. Doesn't look like I am overheating. Gonna do some gaming with the task manager performance tab up, see what it tells me.
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Processor: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M video card 3DMark Vantage benchmark test score Intel Core i5-430M Processor Processor clock 2527 MHz Physical / logical processors 1 / 4 # of cores 2
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M Vendor Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. # of cards 1 SLI / CrossFire Off Memory 1024 MB Core clock 575 MHz Memory clock 790 MHz Driver name Driver version 8.17.12.8026 Driver status FM Approved
General: Operating system 32-bit Windows 7 (6.1.7601) Motherboard SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. R480/R431/R481 Memory 4096 MB Module 1 2048 MB Samsung 9 @ 533 MHz Module 2 2048 MB Samsung 9 @ 533 MHz Hard drive model 500GB SAMSUNG HM500JI
Detailed scores: 3DMark Score 2638 3DMarks Graphics Score 2286 CPU Score 4897 Jane Nash 7.08 FPS New Calico 6.3 FPS AI Test 669 operations/s Physics Test 6 operations/s
Settings: Default settings used Yes Preset Performance Width 1280 Height 1024 MSAA 1 Texture Filtering Optimal Anisotropy 1 Texture Quality Performance Shader Quality Performance Shadow Shader Quality Performance Shadow Resolution Quality Performance Post Processing Scale 1:2 PPU Disabled true PPU Used false Disable Bloom false Disable Streaks false Disable Anamorphic Flare false Disable Lens Flare false Disable Lenticular Halo false Disable Motion Blur false Disable DOF false Disable Fog false Disable Color Noise false Flush On Low FPS false Fixed Framerate false GPU Count 1
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15264054 - 10/22/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh it gave me this too.
your score target score
Overall Score P2638 P2400
GPU Score P2286 P2000
CPU Score P4897 P5900
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Heffy]
#15264484 - 10/23/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's actually not a terrible score for your system... about to be expected. Bit low on the CPU score though. Can you link to your 3Dmark score? It should have given you a URL.
IMO you may be being held back slightly by having a 32 bit OS. You aren't utilizing a full GB of RAM.
If it was my system, I would probably back up all my important stuff and do a clean install of Windows (64bit). That would almost totally rule out software/viruses being the culprit. It can be had for free......
Which like Bluejay said, best way to do that is have a partition with your OS and all programs/data etc on another drive or partition. That way you can clean install Windows without losing most of your programs/data
Aside from clean install of Windows/update all drivers, at this point I would also:
Stress Test GPU with MSI Kombustor - KEEP EYE ON TEMPS. You can use Precision for this which I linked earlier. Stress Test CPU with Prime95. (ALSO KEEP CLOSE EYE ON TEMPS) Scan for bad sectors on the HDDs - chkdsk /r Test your RAM with memtest86
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Re: Crappy PC Performance. [Re: Shroomism]
#15265808 - 10/23/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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My girlfriend had a Samsung laptop, too. It had a problem where videos would play all choppy. There was no reason for it, the hardware was more than capable of playing videos......lol.
Anyways, I tried everything. Couldn't really test it with games, she played WoW and that ran great but netflix was unbearable. It, also, was not overheating.
I would download an oem copy of windows 7 64 bit, burn it, reformat and install it and go from there.
Other than that, the gpu is not very powerful...apparently its not any/much better than a 240m.
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