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OfflineAmnesiac
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The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic)
    #1526451 - 05/07/03 02:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It seems to me that modern man from roughly the 1940's until today, has been suffering from an extreme case of HEDONISM. Some people consider hedonism to be a valid philosophy. I consider it to be a valid disease. One that has become so integrated into modern life, that nobody notices it and thus, they seek no treatment for it.

The concept of "Do what feels good and who cares about everything else." Is the most immature 'philosophy' anybody could choose to live by. I am not against having a good time... I am against indulgent, self-fulfilling behaviour.

Spoiled by a tangled web of entertainment and sensory overstimulation, our addiction to a "comfortable, feel good lifestyle" is causing many of us to turn away from our true nature as human beings, which is simply to grow and learn.

So does anyone think that this age of hedonism will come to an end? Or will it BE our end? Are we going to consume ourselves into non-existence, or will we learn to be fulfilled with the simple necessities of maintaining our human vessel?


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1526472 - 05/07/03 02:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It will be one of the two. I know that everyone seems to sense a 'change' not that there is one, but that they want one. I for one want one, and can honestly say I think there will be one. I see people changing for the best, and showing thier true nature as human beings. There have always been those real people who have helped others find the way, but it seems as though more and more of my closed minded friends, and strangers are starting to see the truth. I think its our mission to help show people the way though.

I hope for the best. Ill see you on the other side :]


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1526482 - 05/07/03 02:19 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

From the '40's?! Ever heard of the "Roaring" '20s? Ancient Greek and Roman orgies? Pleasure seeking has been going on for as long as man has been alive - there is nothing really new happening.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Swami]
    #1526511 - 05/07/03 02:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Of course it's existed from time to time in most cultures, since thousands of years ago... But from what I can observe, it has been on a drastic rise since around the 1940's. It began to rise at the dawn of the industrial age, but it became a social epidemic towards the middle of the century.

Hedonism is not new, it is just becoming a greater threat to our overall success as a supposedly "intelligent" race.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1526536 - 05/07/03 02:37 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hedonism is not new, it is just becoming a greater threat to our overall success as a supposedly "intelligent" race.

Neighbor A quietly reads a philosophy book and has a bowl of plain rice.

Neighbor B has a companion over for S& M and anal sex while listening to music after smoking a joint and drinking a bottle of wine. The curtains are drawn, the music not overly loud and no one drives home until the following morning.

How does Neighbor B's night time activity threaten society's "success"?


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1526579 - 05/07/03 02:53 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hedonism wouldn't be a problem if everyone realized we are all one.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Swami]
    #1526585 - 05/07/03 02:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well, firstly, to clarify, I am not saying that I am against Neighbour B's behaviour. He has the freedom to do what he chooses, but for his own good, he should practice these things in moderation.

I think you are missing my point, I don't blame you, I don't have enough time or mental clarity at the moment to fully express what I am trying to say.

When you simplify it to 2 neighbours, it seems harmless. That example is just a microcosm of the larger global situation, particularly in westernized countries. I am not condemning pleasurable activities, only indulgence in them. Indulgence in empty physical pleasures, temporary gratification through stimulation of the senses practiced on a more-that-regular basis causes harm to society as a whole, because it causes harm to the individual. Society is composed of individuals, and so the greater whole of humanity is slowed down in terms of personal development and growth due to a lack of attention paid to those very important areas of our experience in this life.

Those who practice excessive hedonism also very often blow all of their time on consumption of entertainment and junk food, as well as drugs (the BAD drugs!) and meaningless sex.

If an individual wants to contribute to the larger growth of the human race of which we are all a part, he should focus on self-discovery and helping others discover themselves, the universe we live in, and the many levels of consciousness to be explored.

Essentially, more and more people this century have been using a frightening majority of their free time for the pursuit of meaningless distractions.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1526593 - 05/07/03 02:59 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

How does Neighbor B's night time activity threaten society's "success"?




Neigbor A is learning, expanding his mind, and increasing the probability of enlightenment, evolution of mind, and his ability to contribute to the human race.

Neigbor B is doing none of the above, he is simply having a good time, which is fun and good for the here and now, but is in no way progressive.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: thestringphish]
    #1526601 - 05/07/03 03:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You've got it stringphish.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Swami]
    #1526603 - 05/07/03 03:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It doesn't.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: ]
    #1526615 - 05/07/03 03:09 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'd agree.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1526870 - 05/07/03 08:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think although there's a lot of hedonism now. It really has been around longer than you think. Everyone always believes their time in history is the worst or the best for whatever reason. I don't think this century has been any more hedonistic than previous ones. I thought the Greeks invented the orgy? They also had Socrates and Plato. Every generation has it's ups and downs. Neither of which is going to be enough to throw the 'cosmic balance' out of order. Certainly, we are much less hedonistic now, than in the 60's.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: bert]
    #1527282 - 05/07/03 01:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think so.
I think the spike in technological development is primarily responsible for the recent jump in indulgent behaviour. People today are indulging in mindless video games, an increasing number of satellite TV channels, a whole new line of pharmaceutical drugs that people take at the slightest sign of pain, or if a greedy doctor diagnoses you with some irrelevant condition with a fancy name so that he can get his piece of the pharmaceutical industry's profit.

I'd say the worst problem is electronic entertainment. This whole cellphone culture that everyone has become obsessed with, satellite TV with hundreds of channels to numb your mind, and video games. TV and video games are being used by parents as a babysitter because they are too lazy or occupied with work or meaningless activities to actually parent their children, and so the kids glue themselves to the television where the parents are sure they'll stay for as long as they're allowed to.

Many of us are being lost to this lifestyle of laziness and apathy through empty-pleasure-seeking, but for the rest of us, I'm glad we can still communicate!



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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Amnesiac]
    #1527652 - 05/07/03 03:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Those who practice excessive hedonism also very often blow all of their time on consumption of entertainment and junk food, as well as drugs (the BAD drugs!) and meaningless sex.

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There are no "bad" drugs, no drug thinks "I am bad, I shall kill this person" it is the actions of the indivdual person that dooms him or herself.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Sombie]
    #1527728 - 05/07/03 03:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, but how often does crack lead to spiritual development or enlightenment?

Mabey the drugs themselves are not bad, but some of them are not hellping anyone either.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Sombie]
    #1528821 - 05/07/03 10:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There may be no "bad" drugs but you'd be foolish to say that certain drugs aren't much more likely to cause severe damage, relatively speaking of course.


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Re: The Age of Hedonism (An Overlooked Epidemic) [Re: Sombie]
    #1528863 - 05/07/03 10:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:


There are no "bad" drugs, no drug thinks "I am bad, I shall kill this person" it is the actions of the indivdual person that dooms him or herself.




Please don't avoid the point of what I am trying to express, and please don't stray off topic for the sake of looking to "correct" me in some way. I am sure you know what I meant.


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