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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: badchad]
#15256293 - 10/21/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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badchad said: I would think it would be standard operating procedure to have tranquilizer darts on site in places whewre exotic animals were kept. Granted they wouldn't have enough for the number that escaped, but a few could be saved.
it takes 10-30 minutes to the tranqs to take effect, in the mean time you've just shot a 300lb tiger with one and he's pissed off about it so, what do you do for the next 10+ minutes
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: badchad]
#15256295 - 10/21/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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badchad said: I would think it would be standard operating procedure to have tranquilizer darts on site in places whewre exotic animals were kept. Granted they wouldn't have enough for the number that escaped, but a few could be saved.
It was a private individual that had these animals. Not a public zoo. Who knows what he had on hand.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#15256358 - 10/21/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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atomicshaman said: the aussie media said they were bengal tigers . which are definitely endangered. another murdoch lie? i hate that prick and wont apolagise for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IUCN_Red_List#Criticism
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he IUCN Red List has come under criticism on the grounds of secrecy (or at least poor documentation) surrounding the sources of data.[9]
These allegations have led to efforts by the IUCN to improve its documentation and data quality, and to include peer reviews of taxa on the Red List. The list is also open to petitions against its classifications, on the basis of documentation or criteria.[10] A Nature editorial defended the Red List's relevance in October 2008.[11]
It has been suggested that the IUCN Red List and similar works are prone to misuse by governments and other groups that draw possibly inappropriate conclusions on the state of the environment or to effect exploitation of natural resources.[12]
Wow, that looks like some really damning criticism, supported with tons of evidence and real-life examples.
It should be relatively easy and not too expensive in this day and age to recapture animals instead of killing them.
you certainly have no clue about the logistics of an operation of that sort
how many traps would a small town in rural ohio have that are capable of capturing lions, tigers and bears... oh my. you think they had 100+ bear traps lined up for just such an event? how many days would it take to get a sufficient quantity of traps into the area?
set a trap and wait for days, the animals spread further and further and the risk to people becomes even greater the more these animals are on the loose. this isnt like your grandmothers prize winning pomeranian, these are wild animals weighing several hundred pounds each. the little havaheart traps arent going to cut it
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Tranquilliser guns have a long history of use for capturing wildlife without injury.
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On impact with the animal, the momentum of a steel ball at the rear of the dart pushes the syringe plunger and injects the dose of barbiturate or other drug into the animal. The drug causes torpor and prostration within minutes
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranquilliser_gun
I also read it takes an average of 3-10 minutes for sedation to take effect. They couldn't keep a tiger from killing anyone for ten minutes, in a large rural area?
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: badchad]
#15256359 - 10/21/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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SOP should be to prevent morons in Ohio (and 7 other states, apparently ) to collect dangerous wild animals for their own need for power.This was just an accelerated canned hunt. Remember that lady attacked by a chimp in Connecticut? Before . ... After . Who the fuck needs lions and tigers and bears, Oh my!That animal owner should have offed himself with Death by Mauling... . . .
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15256367 - 10/21/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: it takes 10-30 minutes to the tranqs to take effect, in the mean time you've just shot a 300lb tiger with one and he's pissed off about it so, what do you do for the next 10+ minutes
Ideally, you'd use a different tranquilzer that achieves immobilization in under 10 minutes, and have more than one dart gun.
Once immobilized though, moving the animals back is the tough part, especially 50 or however man they had.
I hope they at least sell the pelts.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: atomicshaman]
#15256385 - 10/21/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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They should have used tranquilizers.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: badchad]
#15256386 - 10/21/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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they are dead. it's over - nothing to be done about it.
concentrate on things you CAN affect. no need wasting time on things past.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: vinsue]
#15256389 - 10/21/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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vinsue said: SOP should be to prevent morons in Ohio (and 7 other states, apparently ) to collect dangerous wild animals for their own need for power.This was just an accelerated canned hunt. Remember that lady attacked by a chimp in Connecticut? Before . ... After . Who the fuck needs lions and tigers and bears, Oh my!That animal owner should have offed himself with Death by Mauling... . . .
I bet the guy was white... White people always seem to have this fixation of controlling/owning nature... Look at the crocodile hunter.. Hes only one amongst thousands of stupid people pushing natures limits for research or just personal pleasure who ended up dead... Bet that was one hell of a adrenalinkick eh?
The moral of the story is: LEAVE NATURE THE FUCK ALONE...! It will get by fine without us tampering with it...
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15256424 - 10/21/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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you certainly have no clue about the logistics of an operation of that sort
how many traps would a small town in rural ohio have that are capable of capturing lions, tigers and bears... oh my. you think they had 100+ bear traps lined up for just such an event? how many days would it take to get a sufficient quantity of traps into the area?
set a trap and wait for days, the animals spread further and further and the risk to people becomes even greater the more these animals are on the loose. this isnt like your grandmothers prize winning pomeranian, these are wild animals weighing several hundred pounds each. the little havaheart traps arent going to cut it
Also the police are not trained in tracking and capturing large wild animals. They were trying to protect the people that live in that area, which is their job. I agree it's very sad that these animals were killed through no fault of their own but what do you think the people of that town expected the police to do? Protect them, which they did the best way they knew how.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: badchad]
#15256471 - 10/21/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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badchad said: I would think it would be standard operating procedure to have tranquilizer darts on site in places whewre exotic animals were kept. Granted they wouldn't have enough for the number that escaped, but a few could be saved.
Tranquilizer dart's aren't instant. They take between 10-30 minutes to incapacitate an animal, especially a lion, tiger, bear or whatever the fuck that asshole released.
Police shot those animals because they posed a threat. They tried tranquilizing some and I don't know how that turned out.
The gentleman in question was just released from prison for possessing multiple automatic weapons without proper class III forms. He was also on the radar for mistreatment of animals for mistreating animals and sometimes letting them roam free.
He let them all go and then killed himself. We're talking almost 50 tigers, lions, bears, mountain lions and other predators.
If I was a cop in Ohio and was faced with a cougar, I'd shoot to kill.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#15256479 - 10/21/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Won't someone please think of the animals!
No? How about this...
If they could have saved just one animals life, it would have been worth the death of humans!
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#15256504 - 10/21/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I saw the story on the news yesterday or the day before.
Who's to say they didn't save just one animal?
I need to check the news to see if any were captured alive or if they killed all 48.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#15256508 - 10/21/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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'twas humor.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#15256536 - 10/21/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Last night on coast to coast am they said theres a chimp and a wolf still running loose, theyr both very shy.. have no idea wether they got caught and killed since then...
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: Rebel_At_War] 1
#15256557 - 10/21/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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big friggin deal.
deer are more dangerous than a couple of loose animals.
why does everyone refer to them as wild beasts anyway sure they can't communicate and they're wild to us but they were domesticated in cages and had regular feeding schedules from humans.
bottom line is - 2 legged predators are the most dangerous. i don't hear anyone talking about that
oh no instead its the big bad couple dozen zoo animals.
what the fuck?
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#15256588 - 10/21/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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blkjkrabbit said: big friggin deal.
deer are more dangerous than a couple of loose animals.
why does everyone refer to them as wild beasts anyway sure they can't communicate and they're wild to us but they were domesticated in cages and had regular feeding schedules from humans.
bottom line is - 2 legged predators are the most dangerous. i don't hear anyone talking about that
oh no instead its the big bad couple dozen zoo animals.
what the fuck?
Agreed...
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: Rebel_At_War]
#15256633 - 10/21/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bet the guy was white... White people always seem to have this fixation of controlling/owning nature...
its better then being scared of a dog
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Rebel_At_War
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: hidenseek]
#15256663 - 10/21/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bet the guy was white... White people always seem to have this fixation of controlling/owning nature...
its better then being scared of a dog
Dont see what this has to do with being scared of dogs....? If it was your attempt on stereotyping black folks or something, then this is kinda weak... I know tonnes of black folks having dogs... No need to tamper with nature at all, and to me it seems like its mostly white people that goes out into the fields to do this... Making TVshows, capturing or messing with wild animals trying to tame them or make money off caging them and showing them off, researches n studies ect ect... May i also add that i am white myself... Peace...
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: Rebel_At_War]
#15257170 - 10/21/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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if anyone wants to see pictures of the survived animals, go to the national geographic website. they saved three leopards(one is a black panther), two macaques, and one grizzly bear. they are currently housed at the columbus zoo. i'm so happy that the leopards were saved, they're some of my favorite animals.
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Re: was it really neccesary to murder all the zoo animals in the u.s? [Re: passifloracaerulea]
#15257218 - 10/21/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nutjob? I think not.
The man owned 56 exotic animals. Clearly he was a productive citizen.
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