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Logic
    #1523724 - 05/06/03 04:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

How far does it go?

Does it run it loops?

Because after many levels of abstraction or not, logic in it's beauty has not given me an Answer...  :frown:

Not a fitting end to something I have followed since birth 


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Re: Logic [Re: trendal]
    #1523743 - 05/06/03 04:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

logic can only take you so far, then it starts taking you back. Yes, it runs loops.

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Re: Logic [Re: trendal]
    #1523747 - 05/06/03 04:26 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Depends on what kind of logic you are tlalking about. My friend is taking a Philosophy Logic class that somehow pertains to his advanced math and physics classes. Logic = k3y.


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Re: Logic [Re: trendal]
    #1523756 - 05/06/03 04:40 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Logic is a tool that lets you formulate new truths out of old ones. But without those old truths the new ones have no meaning. In order to say something meaningful, logic must be applied to truths that have been defined by other means than by logic (the stuff called "axioms" in any logic theory).

Without axioms logic is nothing but loops. Loops can be fun and interesting, but they have no meaning apart from their formal structure.


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Re: Logic [Re: trendal]
    #1523762 - 05/06/03 04:44 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"Does it run it loops?"

I think depending on "how logical" you're getting, its more like a fractal than a loop - it may seem like a loop but you're just in a similar-looking part of the fractal


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Re: Logic [Re: Strumpling]
    #1523868 - 05/06/03 07:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

One thing I have noticed on psychedelics. Is my current logic is usually incorrecnt and not very logical. I run things around and around in loops until I realise I am the one causing all my experience, then I break free from my current logic and can build new logical problems for fun.


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Re: Logic [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1524599 - 05/06/03 03:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There is basic logic, which consists of mathematics, etc. For example, given a triangle and two of its angle measures, you can figure out the third unknown angle measure by subtracting the 2 known angle measure from 180 degrees.
Or, If a = b and b=c, then a=c.

But when i wish to attain a sample of ultimate logic, i eat some mushrooms and turn to the river. The river helps me to understand the flow of life as well.

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Re: Logic [Re: PeyoteZen]
    #1524606 - 05/06/03 03:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

so how does logic explain the equation for being happy and fulfilled?


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Re: Logic [Re: Grav]
    #1524628 - 05/06/03 03:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

logic to me seems like mathematics too
its not an equation really, but it seems like a simple way of seeing things, it will not explain everything ofcourse, but like math and science it gives you the basic sense of things... something i would be dead with out..

you guys talk about 'loops' , i dont get how logic can have loops, it starts and ends, it tells you only so much and then the rest is left up to beliefs and your perception and superstition


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Re: Logic [Re: SWAY]
    #1524667 - 05/06/03 03:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Some questions are not answerable. There is no human language that can explain certain things. I say "things", because the concept is too broad, and i dont want to limit the idea. (If that even makes sense... heh). Some answers need to be experienced and felt first hand, and will not be able to breach your mind and envoke understanding through spoken language. But language is a whole other discussion, for another thread. It is useful for simplistic purposes, such as, "HEY, LOOK OUT" or "Sit in that chair, in that room, in that building". But you cannot use language to fully explain emotions and other pyschological complexities.

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Re: Logic [Re: PeyoteZen]
    #1525270 - 05/06/03 07:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Logic is taught in some mathematics classes, such as finite. We only touched on logic, like the truth of if-then statements for example:

If true, then true. <--- This is true.
If false, then true. <--- This is true as well
If false, then false. <---- This is true.
If true, then false. <---This is false.


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Re: Logic [Re: trendal]
    #1525289 - 05/06/03 07:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

this statement is false.


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Re: Logic [Re: Strumpling]
    #1525314 - 05/06/03 07:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

so what if you spin off on the fractal? what happens to logic when its lost in contunuing fractal edge... that understanding. i still have yet to find.


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Re: Logic [Re: trendal]
    #1525399 - 05/06/03 08:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Logic will only take you so far. It helps you to analyze and examine experiences, make 'logical' decisions.. etc.. but without the other, creative side of the brain, it will run in loops forever and ever. The key is to integrate the two hemispheres of the brain into harmony.

Merge the creative and logical.
Combine the intuitive with the thinker.
Together, we grow strong. Divided, we must fall.

Meditate on balancing these aspects of yourself.
Integrate the divided.
Access the spirit.


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Re: Logic [Re: Shroomism]
    #1525484 - 05/06/03 08:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

logic doesn't always bring happy answers, often they are cold and real, but it is the only way to formulate something concrete. creativity is fun (when having fun), but applying creativity to beliefs is our way of bypassing what we can't accept as truth, a cop out if you will.


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Re: Logic [Re: ]
    #1525489 - 05/06/03 09:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Intuition man...it's the other side from logic...and very creative  :smile:


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Re: Logic [Re: ]
    #1525497 - 05/06/03 09:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Try to logically paint a picture, try and logically figure out how you feel. Ain't happening.


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Re: Logic [Re: Shroomism]
    #1525502 - 05/06/03 09:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

try and logically figure out how you feel. Ain't happening

This is very, very true from my experience  :smirk:


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Re: Logic [Re: trendal]
    #1525503 - 05/06/03 09:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

kangaroos from pluto jumped to earth a milion years ago and planted human seeds. pray to their holy pouches for salvation.


... hey, its creative!!!  :smirk: 


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Re: Logic [Re: ]
    #1525543 - 05/06/03 09:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

But it doesn't pass even basic logic  :wink:

Combine the two.


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