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OfflineEllis Dee
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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1520520 - 05/04/03 11:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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If God really wants us to believe in him...

...then why is he hiding?



I think it's because he's an a-hole.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1520553 - 05/04/03 11:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ok then, now Roman and Jewish documents (both of these groups were trying to DISPROVE Jesus? resurrection) all said that the body disappeared, some said the disciples took it, some say he wasn?t dead. But the fact is that the body wasn?t there. (On a side note, the following proofs will not be depending on the bible, but Roman and Jewish manuscripts.)

Now as for Jesus? Disciples taking it, Conscious Pilot (spelling?) was scared of Jesus, so he put Armed Roman Guards at the burial ground. And sealed it off with a 3 ton rock. Now after Jesus' Crucifixion the Disciples went into hiding, and hid from everyone, but come Sunday they were out on the streets, proclaiming as loud as they could that Jesus raised from the dead. 10 of the 11 disciples (remember Judas, the traitor hung himself) were executed in the most horrible ways. John, the only one to die of natural causes was jailed many times. But they would never deny that Jesus rose again. A Roman guard was quoted with saying "You could gag them, you could stone them, you could bring a sword to them, but you could not get them to deny that on the 3rd day he rose again." So what changed their minds? Assuming that they somehow got passed the guards and then stole the body, then they would have known it was a lie. And you would be hard pressed to find 2 people, must less 11 people that were willing to die for a lie, knowing that it was a lie. So that?s not really possible.

Ok, so lets say Jesus was never dead, The Romans carried him all the way to the tomb, without noticing that he was still alive, So Jesus then must have gotten up, after being nailed to a cross and having a sword stabbed into his ribs managed to walk over to the bolder, then by himself MOVED the 3 ton bolder, got passed the armed guards, and then reached his disciples. Even IF this could of possibly happened, a bleeding half dead Jesus would have most likely lessened the Disciples faith, not made them go and give their lives.

So these options are out, the only other one I can think of is that Jesus must have risen from the dead.

Now you might still disagree with me, so before I continue, I will let you rebuttal.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1520661 - 05/05/03 12:22 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Those are some excellent points!

Pilot was definately afraid of the consequences... I believe it was written that he somehow washed his hands of Jesus' blood. Truthfully, I even think that pilot wanted to set Jesus free... It was the people who declared: " Crucify Him !!! Free (what was his name again?) Barabas ! (?)"

As for that second part... let me tell ya... Not too long ago, I got bit in the hand by an animal and it went in deep... It swelled a bit. Let me tell ya though... I lost useage of the hand for several days.

I'm thinking... that after having nail in your wrists and ankles for the whole day, it would even be crazy just to try and stand up.

...And besides... I kinda think that the Romans would have been able to distinguish a dead body from a live one... I dunno... just a thought.

Definately, something happened out of the ordinary!



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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #1520835 - 05/05/03 01:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok so, we agree Jesus lived, now my question to you is, if someone raised themselves from the dead, would you beleive that he is special in some way?




No more special than you or myself.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1520893 - 05/05/03 01:31 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How can you be sure something doesn't exist that you can't even define?

Obviously, whatever your concept of God is does not exist.

That isn't really saying much.....


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1521087 - 05/05/03 03:28 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

We are all gods. We all have a spirit as do water, light.... We chose our own spirits/gods to guide us even if it is ourselves.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: whodi]
    #1521957 - 05/05/03 03:41 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

" We are all gods. We all have a spirit as do water, light.... We chose our own spirits/gods to guide us even if it is ourselves. "

I can't explain how much i deeply agree with that......


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: thestringphish]
    #1522092 - 05/05/03 04:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Damn then I can't wait for you to raise yourself from the dead!


don't be foolish, Jesus was obviously not Joe Average, if you think so, then you are beyond hope.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1522214 - 05/05/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

nobody is "joe average" for we are all different and special and a part of all that is.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1522996 - 05/05/03 09:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

No one is beyond hope. But all the same, Jesus was most definitely not Joe Average either.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: You_are_God]
    #1523042 - 05/05/03 09:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ok then Jesus was ATLEAST extra special, happy?


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: Sombie]
    #1523062 - 05/05/03 09:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think that Jesus did personify many qualities of the Buddha. All in all, we have a long haired guy that wandered around helping people out. Jesus was a cool guy (even tho I don't belive he was the "son of god", or even really existed maybe), it's his whacky followers that give Xtianity such a bad name

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1523069 - 05/05/03 10:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1523591 - 05/06/03 02:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

there is no such thing as "Joe Average" only those who choose to belive there is.


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Re: If God really wants us to believe in him... [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1523621 - 05/06/03 02:35 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"I think that Jesus did personify many qualities of the Buddha. All in all, we have a long haired guy that wandered around helping people out. Jesus was a cool guy (even tho I don't belive he was the "son of god", or even really existed maybe), it's his whacky followers that give Xtianity such a bad name"

jR
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What makes you think He had long hair?

Are you generalizing by calling all followers " whacky"?

LOL    :grin:

 


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