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Offlineendlesswinter77
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Casing Pinning and Overlay: Contradictions
    #14906013 - 08/11/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I found some contradicting information regarding casing colonization, when to fruit, and overlay. Heres what I found:

These two Teks support fruiting after the casing is 100% colonized:
How To Do Coir TEK
50/50 Tek
Quotes respectively:
Says fruit once casing is "100% Colonized"
"Within a week to 2 weeks it will be almost completely covered in mycelium"

Both these links support fruiting only once the mycelium appears in the "valleys" of the casing:
How Do I Initiate Pinning On A Casing?
When Should I Put The Casing Into The Fruiting Chamber
Both say pretty much the same thing: "Once the mycelium appears in the valleys of the casing layer, meaning you can see mycelium strands beginning to poke through the casing layer, but the surface of the casing is not yet colonized, you should initiate pinning."

This thread discusses overlay about halfway down the first page, and contradicts waiting for 100% colonization:
Grow Thread w/ Overlay Discussion
"Just having a white layer over your casing is overlay. An un overlayed casing will be coir with pins sticking through the casing." Basically, saying that ANY mycelium on the surface of the casing is overlay and it is not wanted.

And finally the info page on overlay:
Overlay Informational
"A casing layer which has approached 100% visible colonization...  ...risks overlay."
"The condition when the fine strands of mycelia die and become hard and matted"
Leads to say that overlay is a condition that may occur once the casing is 100% colonized.


So heres the contradictions:

1. Does one fruit
a. before any mycelium reaches the casing surface, or
b. once its in the valleys, or
c. once it is 100% colonized?

2. Is overlay
a. having any (even a small amount) mycelium on the surface.
b. having the surface 100% colonized, or
c. truly a condition of matted mycelium that may occur after the casing surface is 100% colonized.

3. Out of all this contradicting information, is there one most desirable and chosen method for fruiting a casing? Or is this a matter of having a number of different and [possibly] equally effective methods?

4. If there is a chosen preferable method, maybe some of the info in the cultivation files should be updated?


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OfflineMycoMayhem
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Re: Casing Pinning and Overlay: Contradictions [Re: endlesswinter77]
    #14906184 - 08/11/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have the same kind of questions bro, everyone seems to do it differently I'm no expert and much of the info I've read is also a contradiction. 

I just inoculated my first bags and I am going to go with Fahtsters "late casing method". Type it in to google interesting thread and his logic seems sound to me. Some people say casing layers aren't even needed on cubes...

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Re: Casing Pinning and Overlay: Contradictions [Re: endlesswinter77]
    #14907515 - 08/11/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Bump.. cus I feel like there are answers out there......


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Re: Casing Pinning and Overlay: Contradictions [Re: endlesswinter77]
    #14907531 - 08/11/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Don't bump your own thread within 24 hours. Forum rule.

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Re: Casing Pinning and Overlay: Contradictions [Re: VaeVictum]
    #15227122 - 10/14/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i suppose this is also a bump. im surprised this hasn't been answered. id say this reflects the lack of consensus in this area well. ug, we need research. this is a great critique endlesswinter. this behavior should be encouraged to improve methods overall.

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Re: Casing Pinning and Overlay: Contradictions [Re: ltcdmyco]
    #15227504 - 10/14/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i try to start fruiting when the mycelium is EVENLY visible in the valleys.


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Re: Casing Pinning and Overlay: Contradictions *DELETED* [Re: ltcdmyco]
    #15227516 - 10/14/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Casing Pinning and Overlay: Contradictions [Re: Murq]
    #15229320 - 10/15/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I am no expert on this. I haven't even made a monotub but I will share what I have gathered from this forum.

Everybody has a slightly different way of dealing with bulk. You're going to need to experiment to find your preferred way that offers the best results. In regards to casing, RR says you don't even need to case Psilocybe cubensis (link). Fahtster puts a casing on after pins have developed (late casing). So what is the ideal way? I would just find somebody who posted an amazing monotub grow and follow their advice, then tweak it as needed. I'm sure somebody could or has posted an amazing tek that gives you perfect steps and requirements to achieving the best cube bulk grow but that wouldn't be as fun for a lot of people who want to understand the underlying principles of how mushrooms grow.

So long answer short, #3 would be my answer.

Edited by menelaus (10/15/11 12:17 PM)

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