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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: g00ru]
#15219036 - 10/13/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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guruu said: new lives aren't so much a chance to redeem yourself as they are another forced attempt at redemption. Nobody wants that, much better to achieve liberation in this life while you can....who knows when the next one will come around, or what it will be like, or who you will be like.
Didn't you say "your traits and habits will regroup and carry on"?
ahh true, but not exactly the same and you still don't know for certain how it's gonna look.
Do you know for certain that your traits and habits will regroup and carry on? If it is certain that your traits/habits will regroup/carry on, then who you will be like should be (at least somewhat) certain as well.
If your traits/habits won't be "exactly the same" when you reincarnate, then in what sense are they regrouped/carried on?
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guruu said: ...if you don't get out in this life, how do you know that you ever will?
I'm not sure if this even makes sense...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Icelander] 1
#15219223 - 10/13/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Reincarnation is probably one of the most widely held Yogic beliefs of non Yoga practitioners, almost every human has an inkling of its truth & sees how it could be applicable to the universes cycles
Actually I have very few friends who believe that the idea makes any sense at all. They instead feel the belief in reincarnation is due to death anxiety and our refusal to acknowledge our animal and temporary nature within the process of evolution.
I suspect that beyond the (imo) death anxiety belief in heaven and hell you would find a limited number in middle america that believe in reincarnation.
Cool, i think ive just come across quite a few people that have said to me they can see why buddhists & hindus believe in reincarnation so i got the general impression that quite a few people have an intuition about it, i've heard people often curse their bad luck saying they 'must've done something bad in a previous life' or the often used 'maybe in another lifetime', or 'if i come back i'd like to be a cat/dolphin/bird' etc... you get the idea. I reckon quite a few people that know nothing of eastern religious philosophy still tend to have these kind of thoughts even if just once or twice in their lifetime.
I agree that reincarnation, both the belief in it & the process of rebirth/reincarnation itself are both rooted in death anxiety.
Why else would you incarnate billions of times unless you were scared of dying
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Poid]
#15219382 - 10/13/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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me and my friend were on shrooms the other day, he made the statement that "the only time i believe in reincarnation is when I'm thinking clearly and don't feel like proving everything to myself."
that won't exactly sway doubters but I thought it made sense
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: g00ru]
#15219476 - 10/13/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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how much did you take? what was the trip like?
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Chronic7]
#15219703 - 10/13/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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just like 1 gram and some change, we made tea. It was great, very laid back, we discussed being and thought a lot, like my friend was talking about how anytime you have a thought but don't act on it it gets recycled back into your self and is like an option for next time. played some music, chilled with the neighbors, good times
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: shadowplay]
#15220781 - 10/13/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think reincarnation makes sense in that I was born once, whats stopping me from being born multiple/innumerable times. I kind of hope I'm wrong because I suffer quite a bit in this existence, and I've got it easy. Imagine if I was born in a difficult existence where I have to do more then walk down the street to get food? Then again, I also hope I'm right for some strange reason.
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: White Beard]
#15220965 - 10/13/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wanna incarnate again in a different body, but only if it's just for fun
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: White Beard] 1
#15220978 - 10/13/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I also hope I'm right for some strange reason.
Unconscious death anxiety rears it's ugly head.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Icelander]
#15220999 - 10/13/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Death anxiety is extremely powerful.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Poid]
#15221012 - 10/13/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol u wuv him
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: g00ru]
#15221219 - 10/13/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been aware of the fact that fear is basically the most powerful motivator, and that death produces the deepest feelings of fear since I was a child. Remember, I grew up in a town that had the highest homicide rate in the country at one point. I have much experience with fear in general, and with the many ways that people deal with their own personal fears in particular.
I've seen, directly or indirectly, the apparent powerful effects of death anxiety on basically every economic class of person (I was raised in a very poor town, while being educated in some of the best schools in the state [not to mention country]). From my experience, death anxiety's power on a person's life is irrelevant to their income... no matter how much (or how little) a person makes, they still seem to be significantly ravaged by at least some form of death anxiety (whether it be directly, or indirectly).
My position isn't the result of my feelings for Icelander. At all. It's a completely logical position which is ultimately devoid of any emotionally-based reasoning.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Poid]
#15221916 - 10/13/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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WOAH okaayyyy...i'm convinced
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: g00ru] 1
#15221937 - 10/13/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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But he does like me a lot.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Icelander] 1
#15221971 - 10/13/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey, we're all friends
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: g00ru]
#15223400 - 10/14/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: g00ru]
#15223585 - 10/14/11 04:41 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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guruu said: just like 1 gram and some change, we made tea. It was great, very laid back, we discussed being and thought a lot, like my friend was talking about how anytime you have a thought but don't act on it it gets recycled back into your self and is like an option for next time. played some music, chilled with the neighbors, good times 
cool, im back in the swing of tripping at the mo, i tend to have it come round every couple of years i'll suddenly get back into it, wonderful stuff
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: g00ru]
#15223805 - 10/14/11 06:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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guruu said: hey, we're all friends 
All my friends agree with me all the time.
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Icelander]
#15224192 - 10/14/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol, not mine, i wish that were true for me
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: Chronic7]
#15224201 - 10/14/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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yup, shrooms are magical I go through phases like that also
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Re: the philosophy of reincarnation [Re: g00ru]
#15224385 - 10/14/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Before this life, you lived every single life that ever has been. You call that death/non-existence.
Now you act using the knowledge/will-force of those before you and then you will die once more.
What will you leave behind for you to collect once more?
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