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EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes * 89
    #15223324 - 10/14/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The PF Tek was originally created by Robert McPherson and has had many changes and improvements over the years. I do not take credit for creating this method, this is just my thoughts, opinions and how I go about making Brown Rice Flour Cakes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PF_Tek

Brown Rice Flour TEK

I always advocate starting with the BRF tek for those new to mycology for the following reasons:

-To learn the life cycle of the edible or gourmet mushroom of your choice
If you do not know the growth parameters and life cycle growing a batch of cakes to start is in your best interest. Once you understand what cubes/oysters need to grow as far as moisture, misting, fanning, lighting, etc it will be a lot easier to take care of bigger projects. IF on the other hand you do not have a grasp of the growth cycle you are more likely to make mistakes and not provide proper care for your bigger projects, which result in bigger failures.

-To learn the basics of sterile procedure
If you cannot make and inoculate 12 BRF cakes under sterile conditions you have almost no hope of doing the same with grain jars. The simple procedures needed for growing BRF cakes instills the skills needed to eventually move onto grains, and other procedures in mycology that require a higher level of sterile technique.

-To keep costs low

Making BRF cakes is the cheapest, easiest method of growing mushrooms for a beginner seeing as you do not have to invest in a pressure cooker (PC). Making grain spawn is not all that much more expensive than making BRF jars, minus the PC, which causes a bit of a price jump.


Timeline +/- of a BRF Tek grow

Inoculation till first signs of growth - 7-14 days
First sign of growth to full colonization - 3-4 weeks
Full Colonization > Consolidate for 1 week
From Consolidation till harvest - 1-2 weeks

This is a rough guide of how long things will take. Remember that you cannot rush nature, and make sure that you have the time needed to complete the project.

Part 1 - Preparation

Material you will need:


1/2 Pint WIDE MOUTH Canning Jars


-Can I use 1/2 pint jars that are not wide mouth?

You can, but getting the cake out of the jar after colonization will be a HUGE pain. The reason we use wide mouth jars is to easily birth our cakes after the colonization period. If you use jars that are not wide mouth you will more then likely break your cakes trying to birth them, this is not a problem if you are planning on spawning your BRF cakes to a bulk substrate in a tray(Coir/Verm).

-Can I use pint jars?

You should not. Pint jars take much longer to colonize and are prone to stalling out and contamination before reaching 100% colonization. Some people get away with using pints, but they usually inoculate with a strong liquid culture to ensure fast growth. Starting pint jars from multi-spore has resulted in many frustrated growers.

- Can I use 1/4 pint jars?
1/4 pint jars can be used, but remember smaller amount of substrate = less yield per cake. Because of the small size of the jars your cakes will finish up a lot faster then if you used 1/2 pints, but will yield a lot less.

Vermiculite


- Can I use a substitute vermiculite for perlite or other materials?

(As far as cubes are concerned):
NO, Vermiculite is a mineral sponge so to speak, it is able to soak up and hold large amounts of water. The vermiculite acts like a reservoir holding water and slowly releasing it to the mycelium as it grows and colonizes the substrate. Perlite on the other hand is crystalline and does not absorb water. Instead the water sits on the outside surface of the perlite and evaporates off. Vermiculite is used for a reason, and in my opinion cannot be substituted.

(As far as Wood loving edibles are concerned):
If you are planning to grow a wood loving edibles using BRF cakes, such as Shiitake, Lions Mane, Nameko, Reishi etc etc you can substitute the vermiculite for sawdust. Do everything the same but use sawdust instead of vermiculite.

Brown Rice Flour



Brown rice flour is the nutrition that your mycelium will digest and "eat". You can use organic brown rice flour, regular brown rice flour, or even get long grain brown rice and grind it yourself with a coffee mill or food processor. Be sure to use short bursts if grinding your own so you do not burn out the motor on the grinder.

Hammer/Nail
You will be using the nail to make 4 small holes in the metal jar lid so you can inoculate your substrate. I prefer to use finishing nails as they have a small diameter and usually everyone has a few laying around. You do not want to make a large hole in your jar lids, just big enough for the needle on your spore syringe to go through.

Tinfoil
The tinfoil will be used to cover the tops of your jars before steaming/pressure cooking to keep any drips from the lid from entering the jar and messing with the moisture content.

Mixing Bowl and Spoon
These will be used to mix your substrate material that will fill your jars.


Procedure:

1. Take your lids and begin by using your hammer and nail to place 4 holes near the rim of your lid, evenly spaced out as shown below.


2. Next you will be mixing up your substrate material. The ratio is as follow:
-2 Parts Vermiculite
-1 Part Water
-1 Part Brown Rice Flour

To make enough substrate for 5 jars place 2 cups of vermiculite in your mixing bowl, and then add one cup of water to it. Mix well and make sure that the vermiculite has absorbed all the water. Your verm at this point should feel moist to the touch, and when squeezed only a few drops should come out of your mix. If your mix is overly wet add a bit more vermiculite and mix well until you reach field capacity.


If you make your mix to wet you will run into problems later.

3. Next mix in one cup of your brown rice flour, and mix well. What you are trying to do is coat the moist vermiculite in the brown rice flour.


4.Once you have a consistent mix you will load your jars. Equally distribute your substrate into your 5 PF jars. Make sure to leave the mix airy and not compressed. You will want to leave 1/2 inch at the top of your jars for your dry vermiculite contaminate barrier.


Next take a paper towel and wipe the 1/2 space you left at the top clean from any moisture, brf or substrate mix. Then take some dry vermiculite and pour it into the space you have left. You do not want to pack it down but make sure you have enough to completely fill the space without leaving any air-pockets.


Place your metal jar lid with the holes onto the jar and screw your metal ring piece on as well. Cover your jars in 1-2 layers of tinfoil to protect your jar from condensation drips.

-Lids can be placed onto the jar rubber side up or down. The difference between the two is if you place the jar
lid rubber side up it will be easier to get off when the time comes to birth your cakes. If you place the jar
lid rubber side down a seal will be formed and it will be a little harder to get the lid off, but not the end of
the world.




Part 2 - Sterilization

Materials you will need:

Pot With A Tight Fitting Lid OR Pressure Cooker


This will be used to steam sterilize your substrate. Make SURE you have a tight fitting lid as you want to keep as much steam as possible inside of your pot to sterilize your jars. If you are using a pressure cooker be sure to read the instructions and safety information.

Jar Rings/tinfoil


You will use these to line the bottom of your pot( If steam sterilizing) along with a layer of tinfoil to keep your jars out of direct contact with the water. It is the steam that is doing the sterilization. If you do leave your jars in contact with the water, the water could possibly boil up and enter your jars. This will throw off your moisture content and could lead to bacterial contamination and other failures.

Substrate Jars


Procedure:

Steaming

1. Line the bottom of your pot with spare jar rings as shown.
2. Add water to the top of your layer of jar rings. You want 1-2 inches of water.


3. Place your layer of folded tinfoil on top of the layer of jar rings.


4. Next place your substrate jars on to the tinfoil and make sure they are not in direct contact with the water, as started before it is the steam that will do the sterilization.


5. Place your TIGHT fitting lid on and turn your burner to high. Once the water starts boiling turn the burner down to a simmer and start your 90-120minute timer. I prefer 120 minutes personally as it gives me a higher rate of success.


6. If you are not using a tight fitting lid a lot of steam will escape and your pot will tend to boil dry. This will warp the bottom of your pot ruining it. I cannot emphasis how important a tight fitting lid is. If you need to add more water at anytime, use hot tap water and carefully pour it in your pot. Keep a close eye on your pot, work sober, be careful and add water if and when needed.

7. After the time is up leave the lid on, remove from heat and let cool overnight.

Pressure Cooking

1. Place your trivet or metal rack into the bottom of your PC and fill with 1-1.5 inches of water.

2. Place your jars on the metal rack above the water line.

3. Follow your pressure cookers instructions to bring it up to pressure (15PSI) and let cook for 60 minutes.

4. After your pressure cooker cycle has finished turn off your burner and allow to cool overnight.

Part 3 - Inoculation

Materials you will need:


70% ISO alcohol

Used to wipe down instruments, materials, latex gloves ect.

Quote:


70% is preferred, but it has nothing to do with rate of evaporation.

Cells admit water through their cell walls via osmosis. Cell walls are particularly good at preventing the entry of toxins, so by mixing water with the alcohol, it 'tricks' the cell wall into admitting the mixture, which then kills the cell as the alcohol evaporates back out.

I'm sure one of our resident chemists can put it in more scientific terms, but that's the jest of it.
RR




Latex Gloves
Your hands are covered in all kinds of nasty contaminates even shortly after washing them. Latex gloves that are wiped down with ISO alc is the best way to get your hands clean so they will not contaminate your work.

Surgical Mask

Make sure your mask is the style that surgeons and dentists wear, these stop the bacteria in your mouth from being breathed all over your work. Dust masks do not work for this purpose.

Lighter
I personally prefer to use a small propane torch for flame sterilizing needles and other instruments, although a butane torch or BIC lighter will work just as well.

Glove Box


You COULD get away with doing open air inoculations, but using a glove box (Still Air Box) will increase your success rate and keep a contaminate free work area to inoculate in. Some people cut arm holes in totes, some flip a tote upside down over the edge of a table so they can get their hands inside, and some even use a cardboard box. Whatever method you use do not forget that an enclosed area + iso alcohol fumes + flame = BOOM.

The idea behind a glovebox is to create a work space where air currents are still. You would load your sanitized items into your glove box and then spray down the air inside with plain water, or a 10% bleach solution. Close the lid and let settle for 3-5 minutes. This will trap all the contaminates in the water and take them to the bottom of your glove box leaving you with an aseptic work space. Be sure to turn off any device or equipment that will cause a draft or air movement in your room before starting your work (I.E Fan, A/C etc).

The picture above is my personal glove box. I constructed it with a clear tote, some weather proof tape, and a pair of kitchen gloves. I cut a hole in my tote carefully with a heated knife and then taped the kitchen gloves into the holes to create a sleeve. I then cut the hands off the gloves so my hands could reach in and out of my glove box easily.


Spore Syringe
Many vendors offer different edible and medicinal mushroom spores to start your research with. Psilocybe cubensis spores are legal to own, obtain and research under a microscope, but the second you have the intention of growing them they are illegal in most places. ONLY GROW ACTIVE SPECIES IF IT IS LEGAL TO DO SO IN YOUR COUNTRY. For the sake of this article we are going to assume it is legal to grow cubes where you live, for everyone else you could try out oysters or other legal edibles using the PF TEK.

When you receive your syringe some vendors will have the syringe and needle separate. Now before you get all gung-ho and attach the needle in open air, do not forget that open air contains hundreds of thousands of mold spores and bacteria so doing so would contaminate your syringe. Use your glove box to remove the cap on the syringe and then attach the needle for best results. Work fast and clean to ensure you do not contaminate your syringe.

NOTE: Make sure you purchase your syringes from a trusted vendor. Many sites out on the internet are know for scamming, sending contaminated syringes, or syringes filled with nothing but water. DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Before purchasing anything google the companies name, look for reviews and research to see if they offer a good product. The sites out there that have bad business practices have been talked about over and over again and this will make it easy to find information on them. If in doubt look for another vendor that leaves no doubt in your mind.

Procedure:

Using a Glove Box

NOTE: Before going to work it is a good idea to take a shower, brush your teeth, and put on freshly washed cloths. This will help keep contaminates out of your work.

1. Take your jars out of your pot or pressure cooker and assemble them in your work area. Then remove the foil from the jars and wipe down the top and sides of the jar with a paper towel soaked in ISO alc. Place the jars in your glove box, put on your latex gloves and surgical mask.

2. Next spray your water or bleach solution into the box before sealing it. You should have two openings in the front for your hands (wearing gloves wipe with alc of course). Outside of your box shake your syringe to distribute the spores evenly and then flame sterilize your needle until it is RED hot. Next wash your gloves with some ISO alcohol and then enter the glove box with your needle in hand.


3. Place the needle into the hole in your substrate jar at an angle so the tip of the needle is up against the glass. Then GENTLY inject 1/4th of a CC into the jar. Remove the needle and repeat for the other 3 holes. You should use 1CC per jar, or 1/4th of a CC per hole. Set that jar aside in your box.


4. Remove your hands and the syringe from the box, flame sterilize your needle again and repeat as needed.You need to flame sterilize your needle between jars. One 12CC syringe should be able to make 12 1/2 pint BRF cakes. Do not place the foil back on your jars.

Inoculating in Open Air
Inoculating in open air is easier then using a glove box, but will increase the risk of introducing contamination into your jars.

1. Take your jars out of your pot or pressure cooker and assemble them in your work area. Remove the foil lids and then wipe down the tops and sides of the jars with a paper towel soaked in ISO alc.

2. Shake your spore syringe to distribute the spore solution inside and then flame sterilize the needle.

3. Place the needle into the hole in your substrate jar at an angle so the tip of the needle is up against the glass. Then GENTLY inject 1/4th of a CC into the jar. Remove the needle and repeat for the other 3 holes. You should use 1CC per jar, or 1/4th of a CC per hole. Set that jar aside in your box.


4. After inoculating set that jar aside, flame sterilize your needle again and repeat as needed. You need to flame sterilize your needle between jars. Do not place the foil back on your jars.

-Flame Sterilizing-
Butane Torch
Alcohol Lamp
Bic Lighter

All three are viable options, everyone has their own preference. I prefer a butane or propane plumbers torch
because it heats up your needle fast and does not leave any soot. I dislike using butane bic lighters due to the
fact that they leave soot after flame sterilizing. This is personal preference and the soot will not ruin anything.



Part 4 - Colonization

After inoculation you will want to place your jars on a shelf and leave them alone. Most people new to the hobby want to move and check their babies every few hours. This will be detrimental for your cakes. Your dry vermiculite barrier acts as a filter, and the more you move and disturb your cakes, the bigger chance you will shift your vermiculite barrier and let contaminates into your cake.

Room temperature is fine for colonization (70-75F, If you are comfortable, your cakes will be too), you DO NOT need any fancy incubators or the like. Cakes will colonize fine at temperatures even lower then room temp (60-70F) but will progress a little slower. If you are worried about keeping your temperature around 70-75F a small space heater can be used to do the job. Old outdated information has circulated the internet about the ideal temperature for cube growth being 86F, this is flat out untrue and outdated. Temperatures above 80F can promote bacterial and mold growth and germinate nasty contaminates that may not have germinated had the temperatures been kept a bit lower.Also you do not need to keep your jars in complete darkness, place your jars on a shelf and leave them be, ambient light is fine.

Spore germination should take place in 7-14 days, time varies. Patience is key at this point, and you are better off to forget about your jars for at least 10 days before checking them all individually.

CONTAMINATION

Look out for any colored molds (Red,purple, green, blue, orange) this is a sign that your sterile procedure was not up to par, and these cakes should be disposed of carefully. Some people re-use contaminated PF jars, I do not recommend it, but if you must , pressure cook or boil the jars for an hour to kill off whatever contaminate you have grown. Then take the jar outside and dump it out before bleaching the jar, lid and jar ring. DO NOT EVER OPEN A CONTAMINATE JAR INSIDE FOR
ANY REASON.

Another common contaminate of PF cakes is bacterial contamination. If at anytime the room your jars are kept in begins to smell funky (Like rotten fruit, socks, feet, eggs, sour smell, ect) dispose of the offending jar.

Contamination can be due to a few different factors:

Poor sterilization practices
- Did you steam sterilize your jars for the required amount of time in a pot with a tight fitting lid? If you use a lid with a poor fit, or no lid at all chances are you will run into problems with contamination.

Sterile procedure while inoculating
- Did you follow proper procedure while inoculating? Did you use a glove box, wipe everything down with ISO alc, flame sterilize your needle before each jar?

Spore or LC Syringe - If all your jars have the same contaminate at the place you injected your spores chances are that you have received or made a contaminated syringe.

Germination

Once your spores have germinated and you have clean healthy white mycelium growing on your cakes it will take from 1-4 weeks for the cakes to become fully colonized. Once your entire cake has been colonized you must leave the cake inside the jar for another 7 days for the consolidation period. This is done to give the mycelium time to digest the nutrition of the cake and get a better hold on the substrate. After 100% colonization and 7 days of consolidation you are ready to place your cakes into fruiting!

(Photo's courtesy of kdmmontana, BRF Cakes: Day 1, Day 3, Day 4, Day 6, Day 9, Day 10)
(Note that these are 125ML Jars or 1/4 pints)



Part 5 - Fruiting

Materials you will need:

Clear plastic tote with lid
This will be used to make your Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber. The bigger sizes will not only hold more cakes, but will also perform better. 50-115L totes are ideal, build according to the number of cakes you are fruiting.

1/4" Drill bit and Drill
This will be used to make holes in your clear plastic tote on all 6 sides, roughly 2 inches apart.

Perlite
Perlite will be moistened, drained out and then layered 4-5 inches deep in your shot gun fruiting chamber in order to provide a high humidity environment for your cakes. The water sits on the surface of the perlite and slowly evaporates off into the air.

Strainer
You will need this to strain excess water out of your perlite. You want the perlite to be wet, but no saturated in water, there should NEVER be any standing water inside your chamber.

Large bowl
You will use this large bowl in order to dunk your cakes after birthing.

Vermiculite
Vermiculite will be used after the dunk to roll your cake in. This procedure is know as the dunk and roll, and the moistened vermiculite will act as a reservoir, it will retain water when misted, and will provide your cake with plenty of water. Some people suggest that you bake your vermiculite in the oven for 30 minutes at 350F before using it to roll your cakes in. If you are paranoid about contaminates this will not hurt, but myself and most people I know who grow with cakes do not bother and it does not affect the grow.

6500K Compact Florescent Light

6500K is the ideal spectrum of light for the growth of cubensis as well as many different edible and medicinal mushrooms. You will want a light fixture that will allow you to have the light near to the chamber, or at the worst a place you can put your chamber to receive a few hours of indirect sunlight every day. These bulbs can also be labeled as "Daylight bulbs".

4 Empty 1/2 pint stubby jars
These will be placed under your chamber to elevate it off the table/surface and allow air to flow underneath your chamber.

Spray bottle with fine mist setting
This will be used to mist your cakes and chamber during the fruiting stage.

Procedure:

Building your Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber -

1. Take your clear plastic tote, 1/4 " drill bit and drill, and begin to drill holes roughly 2 inches apart on all six sides of your tote. Be careful not to push to hard on the plastic tote with the drill bit or you may crack the plastic. This will take a bit of time but be sure to drill all 6 sides and then wipe out any plastic burs or debris.

NOTE: If your tote is flimsy or you are cracking the plastic each time you drill, try setting the tote on its side and drilling from the
inside out, with a piece of wood under the tote. This will help to prevent cracking.

2. Next pour some perlite into your strainer and quickly run cold tap water over it. Try not to inhale the dust from the perlite, it can be harmful to your lungs. To avoid excessive dust you can pour water into the bag of perlite before pouring, this will cut down on the dust significantly.

3. Once the perlite is soaked with water give your strainer a few good shakes and let all the excess water drain away. Stop shaking when no more water drips from the strainer.

4. Dump the now moistened perlite into your tote, and repeat until you have a 4-5" layer of moistened perlite inside your chamber.

5. Place your chamber where you are planning on fruiting ( In an open room is ideal) and raise it up off the surface it is resting on with 4 empty 1/2 pint stubby jars. This will allow air to flow under the chamber and up through the holes into the perlite. This will help the moisture evaporate off the surface of the perlite and create a high relative humidity in your chamber.

Note about hygrometers:
Most hygrometers(digital especially) are cheap, poorly made and inaccurate. The reason I have left a hygrometer out in the list of materials and supplies is because if you build your chamber correctly you will have 90%-99% RH when it is loaded with cakes. If you can find an analog meter with a calibration screw that is the only accurate method of measuring RH IMO. Take your analog meter and wrap it in a moistened towel for an hour. After the hour adjust the calibration/set screw so the front reads 100%. Your hygrometer is now calibrated and should be accurate. Do not be afraid to recalibrate it every few weeks or every month.

Also note that condensation on the side walls of your chamber is not an indication of relative humidity. What this does indicate tho is a temperature differential between the inside of the chamber and the ambient room air. This causes moisture inside the chamber to condense on the walls of the chamber. If you build your chamber correctly your relative humidity will be in the needed range.

Note about fruiting temperatures:

65-75F will work fine. The cooler your environment is for fruiting, the slower your mushrooms will grow. While they will grow slower they will also tend to be meatier and have thicker stems. Some people swear by fruiting in cooler temperatures, others say room temperature is fine. Go by the assumption that if you are comfortable chances are your mushrooms are as well. As you get a few grows under your belt you can experiment with temperatures for yourself.


Birthing your cakes / Dunk & Roll -

Now that your chamber is built you can start the process of birthing your cakes. Take your cakes that have been 100% colonized and consolidated for 7 days to a clean counter top and follow the step below:

1. Unscrew the jar lid and dump out the vermiculite barrier into the garbage. This has acted as a filter and will now hold any contaminates that tried to make their way into your jars. After removing the vermiculite layer firmly smack your jar onto a cutting board, piece of wood or counter top to remove the cake from the jar. If you used the proper jars (Wide Mouth) and did not compress your substrate the cakes will be easily removed.

(Photo courtesy of kdmmontana)


2. Next take your cakes and under tap water remove any remaining vermiculite left over from the barrier.

3. Fill your large bowl or pot with water, and then place your freshly washed cakes into the container. Place a plate or glass bowl on top of the cakes to weigh them down and keep them fully submerged. You will want to keep your cakes dunked for 14-24 hours, I personally prefer 14-18. This is to replenish the water in your cakes so you will have a plentiful first flush. Do note that you DO NOT need to place your container with dunked cakes in the fridge. Leaving them out at room temperature should be fine.

4. After the dunk remove your cakes from the bowl/container and place them onto a clean area. In another bowl prepare some dry vermiculite. This is the roll part of the dunk and roll. You will then take your cakes individually and roll them in the dry vermiculite. The vermiculite will act as a moisture reservoir and allow your misting to replenish the water supply to the cake. Roll the cake around till it is good and covered.


5. Place your cakes into your SGFC on top of squares of tinfoil(So they cakes do not rest on the perlite) or a plastic lid . Once your chamber is loaded you can gently mist the cakes to moistened the dry vermiculite covering. Once the vermiculite covering has been moistened you can gently fan the chamber with the lid(Or a book, magazine ect) and then place the lid back on.

NOTE: After the first flush you will need to dunk your cakes again to replenish the water content of the cake, and initiate the second flush. YOU DO NOT NEED TO ROLL AGAIN AFTER THIS DUNK. If you roll again you will be covering the outside of the cake (covered in contaminates from the open air) with a moist layer of vermiculite. This will promote growth of molds and bacteria and will ultimately result in your cakes contaminating. Dunk and roll for the first flush, and then only dunk for the second and third flush.

Environmental Pinning Triggers
Here are some of the triggers that are needed to initiate pinning:

-Fresh Air
The holes in your chamber in combination with fanning will provide your cakes with plenty of fresh air. This is a major pinning trigger.

-Evaporation from the substrate
Misting allows your cakes to absorb moisture into its vermiculite reservoir as well as replenishes the moisture to the perlite. After you mist the water will begin to evaporate off the surface of your cakes, this is a VERY important pinning trigger. If your cakes are constantly water logged and soaked/drenched with water chances are they will not pin, will perform poorly, or contaminate. Note that evaporation from the substrate is a direct result of providing proper FAE.

-Light
Be it from a 6500K compact florescent or indirect sunlight make sure you have some form of suitable light for your chamber. You should have the light on a cycle of 12/12. You do not need the light to be directly against the chamber, but pointed at it a few feet away should do the trick. Proper lighting will help initiate a solid pin set as well as strong meaty mushrooms. IMO lighting is on the bottom of the list of pinning triggers, but something not to be ignored if you want a good harvest of beautiful fruits.

Relative Humidity
Providing the proper range of RH for the species of mushroom that you are cultivating will help in the formation of your fruiting bodies.  A Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber is designed if built correctly to hold an RH of 95-100% when filled with cakes, which will be perfect for cubensis and most other edible and medicinal mushrooms.

Temperature
The species of mushroom being cultivated MUST fall with in a certain  temperature range or it won't fruit or worse, it gets infected.  Too cold, won't fruit amongst other problems, mainly dehydration.  Too  hot, the environment swelters and substrates retain moisture.  Infections prefer warmer temperatures and stagnant air.

Fanning and Misting

Fanning and misting is a daily ritual that you will need to do to provide your cakes with the needed moisture and fresh air exchange to promote optimal growth. You will have to plug in your own variables and environmental conditions to find a routine that works for you, but here is a basic overview:

Misting should be done 2-3 times per day. I like to mist lightly in the morning, in the afternoon, and then once more before bed. You want to set your spray bottle to the fine mist setting and directly mist the cakes. Do not saturate them, but allow a good portion of the mist to settle onto the cakes. As well misting helps replenish moisture to the perlite and keeps up relative humidity. After each time you mist you should be fanning your chamber with the chambers lid, a book or magazine. I like to fan for 15-30 seconds, this will start the process of evaporation off your cakes, which is a major pinning trigger.

NOTE: If you work long hours your chamber will be fine if left 10-14 hours without misting or fanning. Just be sure to give them a good mist and fan before work, and then once again after you return. This will not effect your mushrooms negatively. If you are around to give your mushrooms more attention by all means do so, but do not worry about leaving the chamber for 10-14 hours.

Fan every time after you mist, along with a few more times throughout the day. While I only mist 2-3 times per day, I tend to fan somewhere in the range of 5-6 times per day. This allows fresh air exchange and will keep your fruits very happy. There is such a thing as fanning to much tho, do keep in mind.

Stages of growth

(Pictures courtesy of OoBYCoO & kdmmontana)
Pinning

(Pins forming on BRF cakes)



As you introduce your cakes to the many important pinning triggers hyphal knots will begin to form. These appear as little white bumps (1-2mm) and will soon develop into primordia. Primordia (baby mushrooms) will then develop into pins, and these pins will eventually develop into the mature fruit body.

Fruit Formation


Pins will then grow and mature into the mushroom fruit body.

Harvest

(This picture shows mushrooms past their prime to pick for potency, but the perfect time to pick to take prints)


Here is a picture courtesy of kdmmontana that show the veil breaking away from the cap


Depending upon what you are after there are two times that you could harvest your fruits. If you are going for max potency you should harvest after the veil breaks and before the mushroom begins to sporulate. If you are going after prints you should allow the veil to break, and then harvest at the first sign of spores being deposited on the stipe of the mushroom.

On Aborts:
Quote:

If mushrooms have black heads and have stopped growing, they're aborts.  Pick them off when you pick the rest of the flush.  It's a myth that aborts will rot and ruin a substrate.  It's normal, especially when you have a lot of mushrooms on a substrate for some to abort.  A substrate can only support so much fruit, and if you get a really good pinset, expect some of them to abort.
RR




As far as harvesting your fruits goes you can either twist and pull the
mushroom from the cake gently, or use some scissors to cut the mushroom
as close to the cake as possible. I prefer the twist and pull method.

Second Flush

After the first flush you will need to dunk your cakes again for 18-24 hours to replenish the water in your cakes and allow more mushrooms to grow. It is a good idea to allow your cakes to dry out after the first flush for a few days before dunking for the second flush. After the dunk remove the cakes and place them back into your chamber and continue with your regular misting and fanning routine. Do not re-roll your cakes in verm as mentioned previously in this TEK.

Your cakes will easily flush 3-4 times before being spent. As the mycelium ages it gets weaker and has a hard time fighting off contaminates. As you get into the 4th flush it is not uncommon for your cakes to start growing contaminates at which time you will want to dispose of them quickly and safely. You can do this by wetting the cakes down with your mister (to stop contaminate spores from going air-borne) and place the cakes in a trash bag before removing them outside.

Cleaning Your Chamber


After you have fruited your cakes out 3-4 flush's and you want to place another set of cakes into your chamber it is always a good idea to clean things. You can do a few different things in order to reuse your perlite:
-Take perlite and place into a big stock pot filled with water and boil for an hour. After the boil wait for things to cool and then strain off your perlite, remove any excess water and set aside.
-Another method is to place the perlite into a large pot filled with a 10% bleach/water solution and let soak for 10 minutes. After the soak place the perlite into a strainer and run water from the tap over it until you cannot smell the bleach anymore.

Cleaning your Chamber-
In order to clean your SGFC I recommend wiping down with a 10% bleach/water solution prior to replacing your clean perlite back into
the chamber.

I hope this guide sends you on your way to cultivating the edible or medicinal mushroom of your choice. I recommend reading through this TEK a few times before assembling your needed materials. Take your time, make sure you understand each step along the way, and DO NOT deviate from the TEK. Improvisation and winging things will result in failure or poor results and performance. Once you have a few grows under your belt you can start experimenting and trying different things.



Good luck folks, and welcome to the ranks of those addicted to fungi!

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    #15223334 - 10/14/11 01:56 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Great post and awesome pics man!!!! :thanx:
As someone who will be attempting his first ever cube grow shortly, it is really good to have a post like this to follow along with! I own and have read a couple books on mushroom cultivation and have read numerous threads on here about the pf/brf tek but it always helps when other people explain it in different ways and the pictorial documentation is always needed.


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    #15223344 - 10/14/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I tried to go over all the common questions, misconceptions and issues
that arise for those new to cultivation. I hope it helps a lot of folks
grow their first batch of edible or medicinal mushrooms :thumbup:

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    #15223397 - 10/14/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Your guides are always well thought out and detailed.:thumbup: I'll be honest, I couldn't get through the entire thing, you cover a quite a lot. :lol: I'll probably point beginners in this direction, you were quite thorough.

That bit about the sawdust replacing vermiculite is interesting. I'm going to have to try that sometime. I was thinking about getting some Lion's Mane cultures soon.


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    #15223403 - 10/14/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

As far as wood lovers go I would still add some vermiculite to the mixture.
I have read a few posts made by RR that says that verm/sawdust cakes will
outperform cakes made with only verm or sawdust for shiitake at least.

Perhaps try a few different mixes. As well I have seen shroom-jitsu add
wooden skewers to his regular BRF cake mixture to make a substrate to grow
shiitake on. It worked out splendidly.

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    #15223414 - 10/14/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

:strokebeard: Interesting, I'll keep that in mind.


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    #15223654 - 10/14/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome work Evil!!! I Wish I'd found this when I was starting it would have made my life a lot less stressy :smile:

favourited, and will pass along newbs looking for advice, and 5:mushroom2: for putting together. (and for including that cute pic of the tiny cake all fruited up lovely. I have to say I did go "awwww" :inlove:)


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    #15223791 - 10/14/11 06:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Awesome work Evil!!! I Wish I'd found this when I was starting it would have made my life a lot less stressy :smile:


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I'm just starting an attempt at indoor growing and this is a luvly and simple tech to follow :cheers: evil.
Particularly like the detail on fanning and moisture evap for pinning:thumbup:

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    #15224020 - 10/14/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

wow this update needs to replace the one thats already in the site...

it has no old info and is clear and easy to follow.

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    #15224146 - 10/14/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the kind words guys.

I would like to thank kdmmontana & OoBYCoO for allowing me to use some of
their pictures in this write up. Like I said I hope it helps all the noobs
out and if anyone see's anything that should be added let me know.

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    #15224312 - 10/14/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A  classic  writeup!

This post is a gold-standard for tek posts bro.

These are what make this site rock.  Ythan should throw you a free hoodie!

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    #15224422 - 10/14/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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    #15224553 - 10/14/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nice write up.  Ever consider using Rice Bran (for horses) over pre-ground, brown rice flour? 

Rice Bran's better then brown rice flour for a few reasons.  The remainder of the husk, in the Rice Bran mix makes Rice bran more nutritious then brown rice flour.  Rice bran is also cheaper @ 40 American dollars for a 50 pound bag.

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    #15224705 - 10/14/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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These are what make this site rock.  Ythan should throw you a free hoodie!
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I would not say no that is for sure lol

Quote:

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Nice write up.  Ever consider using Rice Bran (for horses) over pre-ground, brown rice flour? 

Rice Bran's better then brown rice flour for a few reasons.  The remainder of the husk, in the Rice Bran mix makes Rice bran more nutritious then brown rice flour.  Rice bran is also cheaper @ 40 American dollars for a 50 pound bag.




Interesting addition Doctor_Inoc, I do not play with cakes all that much
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    #15224772 - 10/14/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

EM - I think you have outdone yourself this time. This is by far your best Tek yet!!!

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    #15227699 - 10/14/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: Thanks Mike!

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    #15227989 - 10/15/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I like your write up! It's always nice to see folks enthusiastic about fungi! :smile:

However, I think you are a little off with the pinning triggers. It's totally ok for your cakes to be moist when initiating pinning. You don't want your cakes constantly dry...

Light should never be underestimated as a pinning trigger either. I think light is just as important as evaporation of moisture from the substrate as far as pinning triggers and fruit body development is concerned.

You can really see a difference if you test the conditions with an isolate culture under two separate light colors. That's why we use light in the 6000-7000k range.


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    #15228029 - 10/15/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nice to see people still giving solid info.
Listen to what this guy says, he wont steer you wrong.
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    #15228091 - 10/15/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

This should be compulsory reading for all new growers on this site. It would abolish a lot of the nonsense that gets posted every day.
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wow this guide is very very clear would reccomend it to any beginner or if you have forgotten to do something if bad growth was before

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:thumbup: Thanks Evil! Will come in handy for my upcoming growing debut :smile:

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I like your write up! It's always nice to see folks enthusiastic about fungi! :smile:

However, I think you are a little off with the pinning triggers. It's totally ok for your cakes to be moist when initiating pinning. You don't want your cakes constantly dry...

Light should never be underestimated as a pinning trigger either. I think light is just as important as evaporation of moisture from the substrate as far as pinning triggers and fruit body development is concerned.

You can really see a difference if you test the conditions with an isolate culture under two separate light colors. That's why we use light in the 6000-7000k range.




Evaporation from the cakes surface is key, and no you do not want your
cakes to be constantly dry, I do not think I said anything about that. However
cakes will perform poorly if they are constantly wet and water logged from
over misting say. That is what I meant by "constantly moist". You see
some growers asking questions why their cakes will not pin and it is
a result of them over misting and their cakes being constantly water
logged.

I also did not try to convey that you can get away without proper light.
You should always have a proper light in the correct range or at worst
indirect sunlight. IMO it is at the bottom of the list of pinning triggers.
Of course it is a pinning trigger that should not be over looked, hence
why it is on the list, It will provide better pin sets and bigger healthier
mushrooms.

I have changed the original tek to better convey my ideas because clearly
there is a bit of confusion as to what I am trying to convey. Thanks for
the constructive criticism.

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-Evaporation from the substrate
Misting allows your cakes to absorb moisture into its vermiculite reservoir as well as replenishes the moisture to the perlite. After you mist the water will begin to evaporate off the surface of your cakes, this is a VERY important pinning trigger. If your cakes are constantly water logged and soaked/drenched with water chances are they will not pin, will perform poorly, or contaminate.

-Light
Be it from a 6500K compact florescent or indirect sunlight make sure you have some form of suitable light for your chamber. You should have the light on a cycle of 12/12. You do not need the light to be directly against the chamber, but pointed at it a few feet away should do the trick. Proper lighting will help initiate a solid pin set as well as strong meaty mushrooms. IMO lighting is on the bottom of the list of pinning triggers, but something not to be ignored if you want a good harvest of beautiful fruits.



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    #15228907 - 10/15/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. IME too much water is the main cause of poor pinsets with cakes. Excellent write up :hatsoff:


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    #15231767 - 10/15/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Many Thanks LM, that means a lot coming from someone who grows cakes
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    #15232083 - 10/16/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

another tek? saying the same thing that all the other teks already state about pf tek

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
    #15232134 - 10/16/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think I have gone over a lot of points and finer details that are often
left out or skimmed over in other teks.

Not everyone learns the same and I hoped that by laying out my view and
take on the classic BRF cakes that perhaps some people would get a better
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    #15232159 - 10/16/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

number 1 pinning trigger is 100% colonization not fae

i have unopened pf jars pin like shit when i forgot about them

they did not get any fae

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    #15232180 - 10/16/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Anything will pin if you forget about it in a jar. Poorly might I add.
While your cakes may not have had any FAE, I am sure they had plenty of light
along with high humidity inside the jars.

Full colonization, increase in FAE, high humidity, evaporation from the
substrate and light are all pinning triggers that come into play. They
are all important. If you want to get right technical the number one pinning
trigger would be full colonization and consolidation...but that kind of
goes without saying. Once fully colonized and consolidated FAE, high humidity,
evaporation from the substrate and light are the main pinning triggers.

I have changed the wording either way, thanks for adding something of value
to this thread.

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    #15257212 - 10/21/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly... that is a decent idea.  Think about it: a vast majority of peeps getting into this hobby are going to go the pf tek route.  It is easy to understand, follow, and is forgiving.

The number of outdated pf teks floating around this board is definitely something to scoff at.. and having this excellent, methodical, comprehensive thread pinned to the top might be a great idea!

Barring that.. +1 the OP, rack up that score!

... then again people would probably just ignore it after it's been pinned; a-la search function style :tongue: 


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    #15257509 - 10/21/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No one reads stickies regardless, and not all that long ago RR and the
other mods nuked all the stickies into the archive because they clutter
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    #15257647 - 10/21/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

+1 on the OP :thumbup:

Nice write up EM666! I just got around to commenting :rolleyes:

Man it would be so nice to have a few of these grouped together in one post for the ones new to mycology and brf cakes. This one, shea's and RR's are a "must read" and would eliminate a lot of questions if they were followed.


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    #15257704 - 10/21/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Anything will pin if you forget about it in a jar. Poorly might I add.
While your cakes may not have had any FAE, I am sure they had plenty of light
along with high humidity inside the jars.

Full colonization, increase in FAE, high humidity, evaporation from the
substrate and light are all pinning triggers that come into play. They
are all important. If you want to get right technical the number one pinning
trigger would be full colonization and consolidation...but that kind of
goes without saying. Once fully colonized and consolidated FAE, high humidity,
evaporation from the substrate and light are the main pinning triggers.


I have changed the wording either way, thanks for adding something of value
to this thread.



Agree with everything you posted here.  Would just like to add that temperature is also a main/major pinning trigger.

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    #15257732 - 10/21/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Please elaborate Doctor_Inoc and I will be sure to add it to the OP brother:thumbup:

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15257895 - 10/21/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Forget about the sticky, I'm all for keeping those down as well. Some of the teks on the main page are old and outdated, there was a lot of talk about redoing it and it fell through because people get too busy. This and your write up about spawn bags are the kind of in-depth guides that should be under the Mushroom Cultivation links on the main page. You should see if you can get that set up.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Masticore]
    #15258138 - 10/21/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps when I have some free time to organize it all. I still have the
editing rights to the main page I do believe. Maybe later this winter I
will see if the crew wants to take another crack at things and see if we
can get it done or at least further the cause this time around.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15258632 - 10/21/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Good job dude, i found this very informative and  the attention to detail. i like hearing in detail the ways ppl do things, i like to absorb it all and go from there....:thumbup:


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: heresy]
    #15259785 - 10/22/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Nice Work EMtrip6's - keep it up

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15260342 - 10/22/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

just had to tell you that is incredible well thought out,and meticulous.i'v taken your advice before and your always on point.great job!.Dedication and support like yours is what makes this site as sweet as it is


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15260695 - 10/22/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The specie of mushroom being cultivated MUST fall with in a certain temperature range or it won't fruit or worse, it gets infected.  Too cold, won't fruit amongst other problems, mainly dehydration.  Too hot, the environment swelters and substrates retain moisture.  Infections prefer warmer temperatures and stagnant air.

The four main pinning triggers (environmental wise) are fresh-air-exchange, lighting, relative humidity, and temperature.  Evaporation of moisture from the substrate's surface is a direct effect of FAE (air coming into contact with the moisture on the surface of the substrate).

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #15260757 - 10/22/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for your input Doctor_Inoc. When writing a TEK as in depth and
meticulous as this it is very easy to over look certain things, or explain
them in such a way that is unclear or causes confusion. I have made the
following changes to try and clear things up and provide accurate
information. If you see anything that should be changed, or have any
other input please do not hesitate to let me know brother:thumbup:

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Environmental Pinning Triggers
Here are some of the triggers that are needed to initiate pinning:

-Fresh Air
The holes in your chamber in combination with fanning will provide your cakes with plenty of fresh air. This is a major pinning trigger.

-Evaporation from the substrate
Misting allows your cakes to absorb moisture into its vermiculite reservoir as well as replenishes the moisture to the perlite. After you mist the water will begin to evaporate off the surface of your cakes, this is a VERY important pinning trigger. If your cakes are constantly water logged and soaked/drenched with water chances are they will not pin, will perform poorly, or contaminate. Note that evaporation from the substrate is a direct result of providing proper FAE.

-Light
Be it from a 6500K compact florescent or indirect sunlight make sure you have some form of suitable light for your chamber. You should have the light on a cycle of 12/12. You do not need the light to be directly against the chamber, but pointed at it a few feet away should do the trick. Proper lighting will help initiate a solid pin set as well as strong meaty mushrooms. IMO lighting is on the bottom of the list of pinning triggers, but something not to be ignored if you want a good harvest of beautiful fruits.

Relative Humidity
Providing the proper range of RH for the species of mushroom that you are cultivating will help in the formation of your fruiting bodies.  A Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber is designed if built correctly to hold an RH of 95-100% when filled with cakes, which will be perfect for cubensis and most other edible and medicinal mushrooms.

Temperature
The species of mushroom being cultivated MUST fall with in a certain  temperature range or it won't fruit or worse, it gets infected.  Too cold, won't fruit amongst other problems, mainly dehydration.  Too  hot, the environment swelters and substrates retain moisture.  Infections prefer warmer temperatures and stagnant air.




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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15266491 - 10/23/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the thing about this site is that a lot of people just rehash other people's ideas

they put it in their own words, take a few pictures and then call it their own

noobs dont know the difference so the credit a lot of times goes to the wrong person

anyway

a lot of people love the fae is the pinning trigger argument

they birth their cakes a week after full colonization and then mist and fan the shit out of them for a week or so before pins even show up

i like to leave my cakes and jars until i see the pinset

then i birth them or open them up to fae and they plump up nice and good

idk if anybody else has tried this method but it saves a lot of effort and you get really good results


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es] * 2
    #15266589 - 10/23/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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ar1es said:
the thing about this site is that a lot of people just rehash other people's ideas

they put it in their own words, take a few pictures and then call it their own





Notice the title of the thread Evilmushroom666's TAKE on BRF Cakes. I
also think I did a bit more then re-hash other peoples ideas, but you
are entitled to your opinion I guess.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
    #15266692 - 10/23/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ar1es said:
the thing about this site is that a lot of people just rehash other people's ideas

they put it in their own words, take a few pictures and then call it their own

noobs dont know the difference so the credit a lot of times goes to the wrong person

anyway

a lot of people love the fae is the pinning trigger argument

they birth their cakes a week after full colonization and then mist and fan the shit out of them for a week or so before pins even show up

i like to leave my cakes and jars until i see the pinset

then i birth them or open them up to fae and they plump up nice and good

idk if anybody else has tried this method but it saves a lot of effort and you get really good results



Yeah just about everyone here does. They call it consolidation :smile:

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15268280 - 10/23/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

ar1es said:
the thing about this site is that a lot of people just rehash other people's ideas

they put it in their own words, take a few pictures and then call it their own





Notice the title of the thread Evilmushroom666's TAKE on BRF Cakes. I
also think I did a bit more then re-hash other peoples ideas, but you
are entitled to your opinion I guess.




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You are too kind EM, as usual.

What you did was the sort of "radio check" that we all need, and all
provide for eachother.  By this I mean a clear definition of a tek as
we currently understand it.

This allow us to sort out all the various thoughts, and is also another
place to look it up when needed.  (I needed to find lime amounts for
a casing soil the other night...it took a while to find ;0)

The fact that there are alternatives at certain points can and probably
should be mentioned where possible.

EM was not trying to claim any sort of authorship!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog] * 2
    #15268330 - 10/23/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Some people are just negative and cynical by nature. I am in some aspects
of life I will not lie but when it comes to spreading knowledge and learning
their is simply no place for it.

When I want to learn about a new topic, whatever that may be do I read
one book and then set it down and say well I know enough? No I do not.

People learn in different ways and I find that when researching a topic
reading a few books, articles or write ups on the topic can help you find
a style of teaching/writing that truly sinks in and clicks so to speak.

I made this article to teach people how to grow edible and medicinal mushrooms,
to help them avoid many of the pitfalls and mistakes that those new to
the hobby make and to spread information, knowledge and experience that
I have gained in my experiments and projects.

If you want to make comments along the lines of "another tek? saying
the same thing that all the other teks already state about pf tek" you
can take that attitude and refrain from posting as we are trying to spread
knowledge and help others here, not breed negativity.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15270767 - 10/24/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well put!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: XAXAU]
    #15271588 - 10/24/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If the archives ever get straight, I think this should be there.

Everything in the OP is a collection of EM666's knowledge on the matter. It's not anything new per se, but that's not what its for. It's a valuable "find it all here" explanation and run through of the process and has nice tips from someone who is experienced with it.

I enjoyed it man.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Wing]
    #15298308 - 10/30/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you very much for this post, I'm just at my first experience with shrooms and this guide is my Bible during this days!!! Thank you thank you thank you! :hug:

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15301951 - 10/30/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i would add a few more things to your post

1. which way to put the lids on the jars? rubber up or down
2. which edibles work with pf tek
3. advantages/disadvantages of a butane lighter vs alcohol burner vs bic
4. why 70% iso vs 90%
5. turn off Air conditioning/fans before glovebox work
6. make sure not to put tinfoil back on jars after inoculation
7. your instructions say to put inoculated jars "on a shelf" not really necessary
8. contamination you say that the cause can be linked to sterile procedure but should be mentioned that the syringe could be contam
9. i would add not to open a contam jar for any reason inside the home even after PC
10. 6500k = labeled as "daylight" bulbs
11. i would add a fan as an optional fruiting item, just something to move the air around the room, ceiling fan or whatever
12. clear plastic tote- clear lid or colored lid?
13. perlite is pretty nasty stuff so a tip to open the bag outside and to spray lightly with water in the bag to reduce the dust may help
14. i dont know if the max potency thing in regards to when to pick the mushrooms is correct, thought the  jury was still out on that one
15. 100% colonization is another way to go in terms of waiting to birth your cakes. Saves you effort especially if you dont have time in the day to mist and fan. just wait until you see pins formin in jar then birth
16. how to pick the mushies should be touched on. some people twist, others cut
17. u dont talk about storage/drying techniques
18 nothing on aborts and making sure to pick these badboys
19 id also talk about the risk of keeping cakes in your FC too long and the inevitable funk that will start growing on the cakes when their time is done
20. id mention the mushroom smell. it smells fantastic but it does smell so people doing this incognito style may want to take some remedies
21. also, what to do with your fc if there is a problem with contam on one of your cakes, how to clean it between grows


maybe i was a bit too harsh with my initial critique and i apologize

i see you are just trying to help


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
    #15302008 - 10/30/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

psychonaut:

I disagree with every other one of your suggestions because you were either suggesting something which was already implied, such as the 6500K light bit, or requesting him to state an irrelevant detail like using something other than a shelf to store your grain spawn.

You clearly are enraged because EM has in your eyes "stolen" someones tek and taken credit for it, but he has literally made it a top priority to inform everyone that this is a revision of historical teks, as can be seen on his original post. This tek is one with new, revised information, and this is necessary for the preservation of the history of this site. 

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #15302233 - 10/31/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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mikesethnobotany said:
psychonaut:

Quote:

3. advantages/disadvantages of a butane lighter vs alcohol burner vs bic





who gives a shit.

Quote:

4. why 70% iso vs 90%





too far off subject, this is a BRF cake tek, not a microbiology course.

Quote:

6. make sure not to put tinfoil back on jars after inoculation





Why would you do that in the first place?

Quote:

7. your instructions say to put inoculated jars "on a shelf" not really necessary





Again, way off topic and irrelevant information.

Quote:

10. 6500k = labeled as "daylight" bulbs





6500K implies this.

Quote:

12. clear plastic tote- clear lid or colored lid?





Absolutely implied and would have to go out of your way to even try to get a colored lid to fit on a clear tote.

Quote:

17. u dont talk about storage/drying techniques





This was not meant to be an all-in-one tek, or so I would think from the Title of this Tek.

You either,

A.) Are mad and felt the need to come up with bogus claims about what should be changed for what was already a masterpiece.

or

B.) Are tripping shrooms/stoned 2 "da bone" so you really are incoherent and thinking that this masterpiece was actually shit.

Get me straight right now, I am not a pro grower. But your critiquing someone who made quite possibly one of the best laid out and structured BRF teks that this forum has ever seen. Why? You must have been angry, but thats just human. I think that these quotes above are really unnecessary and were posted out of mere anger. My 2 cents is, if you have nothing good to say, don't say it. If you want to critique then fine, but make it as mature and reasonable as possible..... but seriouly, why would anyone think twice about using anything other than a clear lid on a clear tote, or even think for a second that placing jars on a shelf is an absolute must, and doing otherwise would lead to the immediate death and suffocation of their inoculum! (rhetorical question, dont answer it).



Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
I tried to go over all the common questions, misconceptions and issues
that arise for those new to cultivation. I hope it helps a lot of folks
grow their first batch of edible or medicinal mushrooms :thumbup:



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mikesethnobotany said:
psychonaut:

I disagree with every other one of your suggestions because you were either suggesting something which was already implied, such as the 6500K light bit, or requesting him to state an irrelevant detail like using something other than a shelf to store your grain spawn.

You clearly are enraged because EM has in your eyes "stolen" someones tek and taken credit for it, but he has literally made it a top priority to inform everyone that this is a revision of historical teks, as can be seen on his original post. This tek is one with new, revised information, and this is necessary for the preservation of the history of this site. 






i was trying to add something to help his tek

Quote:

EvilMushroom666 said:
I tried to go over all the common questions, misconceptions and issues
that arise for those new to cultivation. I hope it helps a lot of folks
grow their first batch of edible or medicinal mushrooms :thumbup:




if you read the bottom of my post where i apologize to 666 for my previous statement before writing your own tirade then you may understand where i was coming from. or maybe you are mad/stoned 2 da bone

my input was based on a few years of browsing this site and personal experience and the shitload of questions that are asked over and over again mainly due to noobs not using the search engine

i was merely trying to help

maybe this is instant karma

i put down his original post and acted like a douche

and in return

i have your doucheyness to thank


3. who gives a shit? well a sentence stating that a bic or butane lighter will work fine and that an alcohol burner is not necessary would answer that question for a noob that happens to say... watch RRs video where he uses an alcohol burner

4. 70% is better than 90% because it does not evaporate as fast. a noob should opt for the 70% over the 90%. 90% does not mean better. a noob in a store getting supplies may think that 90 is superior and a sentence explaining why it is not would help that dude out

6. a lot of noobs put the tinfoil back on the jars after inoculation. they just do. it happens all the fucking time

7. its not irrelevant. i put my jars in a drawer or keep them in a tote in the corner. a noob may think that having them on a shelf is a requirement based on the way it was written.

even though most people on this site want to kid themselves that the information here is going to be used for edibles most of us know that the majority of first time growers are looking to get a buzz. these people want to be incognito so clarification on where these jars can be stored is all i was pointing out here

10. i dont know how many bulbs you have purchased but a lot of them are advertised with the word "daylight" on them in large letters where you actually have to do a bit of digging to find 6500k. making this clear makes it easy for a noob to identify the correct bulb

12. how many totes have you purchased? im trying to help make it clear for noobs. because this question comes up a shitload on the forums. a colored lid isnt the end of the world. most light comes from the sides of the tote anyway so if a noob cant find a clear lid then it doesnt mean hes fucked. you may forget that a lot of the people on this site may not have a shitload of money to get started. if a guy has a tote around his house with a colored lid it may be mentioned that the shit will work and he can spend that 10 bucks he was going to spend on getting a clear lid tote on some other supply

17. again, this is a question that pretty much all 1st time growers have when harvest time comes. if you want to write a complete tek then why not add a section on how to pick the mushrooms and how to dry them? it wasnt me talking shit, just saying that a few sentences on drying could prevent some rotting mess for a noob and would wrap up his tek with a nice little bow


i am neither mad nor stoned

i stated my case in an earlier post that we did not really need another pf tek

i then realized that 666 was just trying to help so i figured id add my input on what i thought could be added to his tek to make it better

if he or you does not like my thoughts then its fine i could really give a shit

i have spent hundreds of hours on this website looking up and researching and wanted to offer an olive branch because of my previous negative post by helping to clarify things that may have been missed

if that gets your panties in a wad then maybe you should try "tripping shrooms/ getting stoned 2 da bone"


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
    #15303048 - 10/31/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

1. which way to put the lids on the jars? rubber up or down - Added

2. which edibles work with pf tek - Already a few in my article. Basic
search will reveal more information and grow logs.

3. advantages/disadvantages of a butane lighter vs alcohol burner vs bic - Added
4. why 70% iso vs 90% -

Quote:


70% is preferred, but it has nothing to do with rate of evaporation.

Cells admit water through their cell walls via osmosis. Cell walls are particularly good at preventing the entry of toxins, so by mixing water with the alcohol, it 'tricks' the cell wall into admitting the mixture, which then kills the cell as the alcohol evaporates back out.

I'm sure one of our resident chemists can put it in more scientific terms, but that's the jest of it.
RR





5. turn off Air conditioning/fans before glovebox work -Added

6. make sure not to put tinfoil back on jars after inoculation - Added

7. your instructions say to put inoculated jars "on a shelf" not really necessary On a shelf, on a counter top, on a desk
it is all the same thing and not that hard to figure out IMO

8. contamination you say that the cause can be linked to sterile procedure but should be mentioned that the syringe could be contam- Added

9. i would add not to open a contam jar for any reason inside the home even after PC- Added a section about NEVER opening a contaminated jar
inside the home.

10. 6500k = labeled as "daylight" bulbs - Added

11. i would add a fan as an optional fruiting item, just something to move the air around the room, ceiling fan or whatever This from my experience will dry out your chamber and
make you increase your misting schedule. It may work for you but not for me.

12. clear plastic tote- clear lid or colored lid?

13. perlite is pretty nasty stuff so a tip to open the bag outside and to spray lightly with water in the bag to reduce the dust may help - Added section on cutting down on dust.

14. i dont know if the max potency thing in regards to when to pick the mushrooms is correct, thought the  jury was still out on that one

15. 100% colonization is another way to go in terms of waiting to birth your cakes. Saves you effort especially if you dont have time in the day to mist and fan. just wait until you see pins formin in jar then birth

16. how to pick the mushies should be touched on. some people twist, others cut - Added

17. u dont talk about storage/drying techniquesA quick form search will return methods and ideas in regards to drying and storing your fruits.

18 nothing on aborts and making sure to pick these badboys - Added

19 id also talk about the risk of keeping cakes in your FC too long and the inevitable funk that will start growing on the cakes when their time is done - Added

20. id mention the mushroom smell. it smells fantastic but it does smell so people doing this incognito style may want to take some remedies

21. also, what to do with your fc if there is a problem with contam on one of your cakes, how to clean it between grows - Added

I have added what I feel to be important factors that I have left out or
skipped over to the main post. Some things you bring up I do not agree
with and have not added them to the article . There are also a few things
that I feel do not need to be covered as they are either common sense,
or easy enough to find out about through the search bar. I appreciate
the suggestions and the realization that perhaps you acted as an
asshole in earlier posts.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15392385 - 11/19/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hey EM, just a quick question about the jars you use in your initial post on this thread.  I too live in Canada and was wondering: Can Bernardin jars be used successfully for PF-Tek?  I bought a bunch of them when I was first getting into this hobby and never used them because of the angle of the glass.  I have gone with whisky glasses with a verm/tinfoil barrier instead.  I have had success avoiding contamination so far, but sure would like to skip the foil and go with jars with lids.  Thanks.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Jungg]
    #15392390 - 11/19/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Bernadine jars WILL work as long as you make sure they are WIDE MOUTH. They
will say right on the box what they are, and I would recommend the stubby
1/2 wide mouth half pints.

The "normal" have pints that are not wide mouth appear like they will work,
but they have a glass lip on the inside just below the threads that you
can feel with your fingers. This can make cakes a royal pain to get out
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15392511 - 11/19/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: realcarlos]
    #15392743 - 11/19/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks EM.  I love your other thread about Canadian resources for myco study - you've done a great job of providing useful info for us newer Canuckleheads, and the community as a whole.

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    #15393071 - 11/19/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Another thanks to EvilMushroom666.  Coming to this site as a newb--it is hard to find concise, current information.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Jungg]
    #15393185 - 11/19/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks EM.  I love your other thread about Canadian resources for myco study - you've done a great job of providing useful info for us newer Canuckleheads, and the community as a whole.




I found a lot of items very tricky to find in Canada hence why I started
the thread. If you look hard enough you can find most supplies in country
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15452632 - 12/02/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:congrats: thank you for this gem. As a person who is very big on researching & obtaining multiple sources of information, I can't thank you enough for putting this together in such a detailed & organized fashion.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: eira]
    #15453085 - 12/02/11 04:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Why don't you recommend reusing contaminated jars? I know PCing can leave behind small amounts of endospores but the vast majority of the contamination should be dead after being PC'd. I don't see how after cleaning it it would be any different from any other used jar.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kizzle]
    #15453109 - 12/02/11 04:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

To expand a bit on my statement I should have said that I personally do not
re-use contaminated PF jars. The smell of pressure cooking contaminated jars,
along with the fact that I only have a large PC leads me to simply toss
them out if contaminated. Bringing a 21Qt pc up to pressure for 1-2 pf jars
seems a waste. You COULD steam or boil your jars for an hour as an
alternative. I have not had a contaminated PF jar grow with
oysters and other edibles in over 2 years due to my attention to aseptic
technique and procedure keep in mind.

If you have an entire flat (12) jars contaminate by all means re-use them
after PCing, but be ready for a nasty smell to evade your home.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15453148 - 12/02/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I usually throw them out too but that's just because I'm not going to run out any time soon. I have done it before though and didn't notice any particularly bad smells, though in those instances there were was very little contamination in there to begin with.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kizzle]
    #15476095 - 12/06/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It is all personal preference really:shrug:

The last time I PCed contaminated cakes (Long time ago mind you) IT STUNK
up my place and the g/f at the time was bitching all night.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15546751 - 12/20/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

When resting between flushes to dry out the cake, do you rest it outside the SGFC in normal room conditions, or do you leave it in the SGFC but prevent it from getting misted?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: cody07]
    #15546834 - 12/20/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Resting and/or drying out a/the cake(s) between flushes isn't a requirement. Where did you hear/learn/read that from?? 

After a flush has been harvested, I like to re-dunk the cakes for 3-7 hours then place the cakes right back into the fruiting chamber, ressumming my daily regimen of misting then fanning.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: hamloaf]
    #15546916 - 12/20/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I read it in the original post of this thread:

"Second Flush

After the first flush you will need to dunk your cakes again for 18-24 hours to replenish the water in your cakes and allow more mushrooms to grow. It is a good idea to allow your cakes to dry out after the first flush for a few days before dunking for the second flush"

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: cody07]
    #15546929 - 12/20/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

RR has also recommended the same thing consistently.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: cody07] * 1
    #15546960 - 12/20/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yup, that's correct.  You just answered your own question.  :wink:


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: cody07]
    #15547001 - 12/20/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No, I didn't.  The question was how they're to be dried, not whether or not to dry them.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: cody07]
    #15547070 - 12/20/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Allow cakes to dehydrate in the fruiting chamber for the few days before re-dunking them.  :smirk:


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: hamloaf]
    #15547301 - 12/20/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Allow cakes to dehydrate in the fruiting chamber for the few days before re-dunking them.  :smirk:




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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15649882 - 01/11/12 12:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15649921 - 01/11/12 12:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #15703612 - 01/22/12 06:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wish I'd found this thread earlier.

All the stuff I read said to put the tinfoil back on the jars after inoculation.

What's the reason for leaving it off?  Air exchange?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Dominar]
    #15703637 - 01/22/12 07:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

not air exchange but gas exchange. putting the foil back on prevents your mushies from dispelling the Co2 buildup causeing the jars to stall.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #15703857 - 01/22/12 07:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15793528 - 02/11/12 04:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hey evil!! You told me to read this the other day and iv read it a few times since to farmilurize it when i start my grow and the one part that keeps catching me is this.
"Now that your chamber is built you can start the process of birthing your cakes. Take your cakes that have been 100% colonized and consolidated for 7 days to a clean counter top and follow the step below"
Do you mean after they colonize accaly leave them sit on a counter for a few days!!
Otherthan that, most useful/helpful guid out there!!
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Shroomsurfer69]
    #15794246 - 02/11/12 07:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

After your cakes have reached 100% colonization leave them inside the
jar to consolidate for 1-2 weeks. After this time you are ready to birth
your cakes, by taking them to a clean counter top and following the rest
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15796282 - 02/12/12 05:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks soo much man!!! Seems like im on the road to some mad mushroom magic production!!!
I hope lol thanks again, will deffinatly be sugesting this page to friends

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Shroomsurfer69]
    #15797258 - 02/12/12 12:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It has been 4 years last i grew some mushrooms. Had some good results on a few grow but the fried i was growing with started screwing it up. I am now getting back into it and will be following this TEK for my first go. Very great TEK and i cannot wait to see how it all goes. Much thanks!


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15798079 - 02/12/12 02:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you mr. evilmushroom this is one of the best teks on this site.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: slushie9090] * 1
    #15798691 - 02/12/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks guys, glad to see this article helping out so many different people
on their journey of growing edible and medicinal mushrooms.

This is just my take on an old established idea and method, I tried to
cover everything that I as a noobie had questions, doubts and concerns
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15867535 - 02/26/12 07:40 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Well done EM.  Thanks so much for pics and a well written tek. It helps to pass the axious moments/colonization periods.
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: TweakerO]
    #15871974 - 02/27/12 06:01 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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Well done EM.  Thanks so much for pics and a well written tek. It helps to pass the axious moments/colonization periods.
Cheers




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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #15872529 - 02/27/12 07:38 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Great post with a lot of helpful information! Very helpful.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: anona_mouse]
    #15912497 - 03/07/12 03:31 AM (12 years, 14 days ago)

loved it, glad you took the time to make a comprehensive up-to-date pf tek guide :thumbup:

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: BjjRat]
    #15912593 - 03/07/12 04:40 AM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Your guide and the RR Videos were a great resource for my first grow. Very easy to understand, and you anticipated the many questions along the way.

My cakes finally started pinning this week. :smirk:

Big Thanks EM!

And Thank You Robert McPherson for the knowledge you passed on.

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    #15912762 - 03/07/12 06:26 AM (12 years, 14 days ago)

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Your guide and the RR Videos were a great resource for my first grow. Very easy to understand, and you anticipated the many questions along the way.

My cakes finally started pinning this week. :smirk:





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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16001964 - 03/27/12 01:38 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Stupid Question Time:

Hi EvilMushroom and whoever else is reading this. I have been using this wonderful tek for a few months now with much success and I have recently acquired some synthetic filter discs for some grain jars.
My question is whether it is ok to use SFD's on PF jars and whether I still need the extra verm filter layer on top? I assume it is ok to use SFD's and that I do not need the verm filter layer but I just wanted to check in case there is something I have overlooked, like SFD's might retain too much moisture or provide not enough/too much gas exchange or a million other possibilities.....

Dunno if this should be included in the tek but I thought I should ask here first

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: mistamonsta]
    #16002099 - 03/27/12 03:07 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

HEAD TO DESK. wish I thought to ask this 8 hours ago. I was so gung-ho to use the new lids I made I didn't even think about the verm layer. they are still sitting in the PC since they finished Cooking at 1am, but damn! I guess if the answer when I wake up is no verm , I will have to scrape it off and re-PC?

I knew things were going to well.

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    #16004225 - 03/27/12 03:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Stupid Question Time:

Hi EvilMushroom and whoever else is reading this. I have been using this wonderful tek for a few months now with much success and I have recently acquired some synthetic filter discs for some grain jars.
My question is whether it is ok to use SFD's on PF jars and whether I still need the extra verm filter layer on top? I assume it is ok to use SFD's and that I do not need the verm filter layer but I just wanted to check in case there is something I have overlooked, like SFD's might retain too much moisture or provide not enough/too much gas exchange or a million other possibilities.....

Dunno if this should be included in the tek but I thought I should ask here first

Cheers

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I have used filter discs for cakes without a verm layer before, but
keep in mind to inoculate them I lift the lid and place an agar slice
onto the top of the cake under laminar flow. Filter discs will provide
enough gas exchange for your cakes if you use the same metal lid with
four holes, but my concern would be inoculation as you do not want
to puncture the disc. What you could do is silicone a small circle
of filter disc over a 1/4" hole, and then have 4 smaller holes filled
with silicone for inoculation.

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HEAD TO DESK. wish I thought to ask this 8 hours ago. I was so gung-ho to use the new lids I made I didn't even think about the verm layer. they are still sitting in the PC since they finished Cooking at 1am, but damn! I guess if the answer when I wake up is no verm , I will have to scrape it off and re-PC?

I knew things were going to well.





The verm layer acts as a filter, it should be fine regardless.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16004580 - 03/27/12 04:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

thanks, I just went with it.  Good to know I made the right choice.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16012070 - 03/29/12 03:53 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Very excellent tek for beginners.
Although I haven't touched cakes in years.. I think this is probably the single best, most concise and straight to the point PF tek I've seen.
Covers all the angles and is simple and easy to understand.
I know you're not reinventing the wheel here, but it's very well put together

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    #16012121 - 03/29/12 04:32 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16040430 - 04/03/12 08:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

May I ask what that strain is? It looks promising.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16051789 - 04/06/12 08:11 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Just wanted to join the ranks of people who support your take on this TEK. It is treating me wonderfully, you did an awesome write up. Whenever I find someone asking questions about where to start I always point them to this thread. Your the man!


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: TaoShroom]
    #16051872 - 04/06/12 08:54 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16070322 - 04/10/12 01:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

very informative thanks buddy how long do you think it takes to fruit after placeing in the fruiting chamber

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: trappinmactrapper]
    #16070493 - 04/10/12 02:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Generally, up to 2 weeks. 

When fruits begin to form once the substrate has been introduced into fruiting conditions depends primarily on the genetics you began with/use.  Secondarily, the up keeping up the correct fruiting environment (fresh-air, humidity, lighting and, temperature) in correlation with the parameters of the specie being grown.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: hamloaf]
    #16071294 - 04/10/12 04:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Decided on going with this Tek for my first grow. I'm pretty excited to see how this works out. Going with 10 cakes, it's somewhat ambitious but I'm confident. I have a few questions if anyone can help:

1. I don't have enough spare jar rings to line the bottom of the pot for sterilization. Can I use something else? Or instead can I just take off some of the jar rings of jars being sterilized while keeping the lids on? I don't really understand the purpose of keeping them on during sterilization to be honest. Is it just to keep the lids in place?

2. Can I sterilize my jars and leave them alone for a few days or should I do it immediately before inoculation? My spores should be arriving towards the end of the week and it'd be preferable if I could have the jars ready to go by the time they arrive. I would sterilize them and store them in a closed plastic tote that I've sprayed down with professional grade Lysol until they are ready for inoculation.

3. It definitely looks like the perlite will fall through the 1/4" holes in the bottom of my SGFC. Am I wrong in thinking this?

Thanks OP and everyone else. Can't wait to see how these turn out.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: syntax404]
    #16071311 - 04/10/12 05:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Decided on going with this Tek for my first grow. I'm pretty excited to see how this works out. Going with 10 cakes, it's somewhat ambitious but I'm confident. I have a few questions if anyone can help:

1. I don't have enough spare jar rings to line the bottom of the pot for sterilization. Can I use something else? Or instead can I just take off some of the jar rings of jars being sterilized while keeping the lids on? I don't really understand the purpose of keeping them on during sterilization to be honest. Is it just to keep the lids in place?

You could always make some crumpled up rings with
say tinfoil and use those. Buying some more jars (trust me you will
put them to use) is another option, along with just buying some more
jar rings. I would not suggest removing the rings from the jars you
are sterilizing. Basically you just want to raise your jars up out
of the water...I am sure if you get creative you will find a way.


2. Can I sterilize my jars and leave them alone for a few days or should I do it immediately before inoculation? My spores should be arriving towards the end of the week and it'd be preferable if I could have the jars ready to go by the time they arrive. I would sterilize them and store them in a closed plastic tote that I've sprayed down with professional grade Lysol until they are ready for inoculation.

You can always inoculate a few days after making
your cakes, but I would suggest personally not making them until
all of your materials have arrived. Either way no harm will be done.


3. It definitely looks like the perlite will fall through the 1/4" holes in the bottom of my SGFC. Am I wrong in thinking this?

Unless you are using very fine grade perlite it will
not fall through,or if it does only a few chunks.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: slushie9090]
    #16072730 - 04/10/12 09:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Should he remove pins also before the second dunk ?

No.  The pins left behind after the first flush are
part of the second flush.

I have seen where later flushes have less, larger, fruits,
but this varies.  (PE often has blobs, then fruits)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16072787 - 04/10/12 09:44 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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You could always make some crumpled up rings with
say tinfoil and use those. Buying some more jars (trust me you will
put them to use) is another option, along with just buying some more
jar rings. I would not suggest removing the rings from the jars you
are sterilizing. Basically you just want to raise your jars up out
of the water...I am sure if you get creative you will find a way.


Thank you, I did just that. I'll buy extra jars (and a PC) if I make a lasting hobby of this, which I feel like I will.

You can always inoculate a few days after making
your cakes, but I would suggest personally not making them until
all of your materials have arrived. Either way no harm will be done.


Yeah I'm starting to think that might be a good idea.

The biggest pot I own reluctantly fits 5 jars but there is plenty of room to stack more. I should probably do two sterilization runs instead of stacking all 10 jars, right? Also the jars touch the actual sides of the pot because it's kind of cramped. I can fit 4 in comfortably, so if touching the sides and one another is bad I'll have to do 3 runs. I don't think it is but correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: syntax404]
    #16072865 - 04/10/12 09:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

If you sterilize the jars too long  before innoc isnt it possible that the sub will be too dry?


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Revolutiontcm]
    #16074049 - 04/11/12 04:35 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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If you sterilize the jars too long  before innoc isnt it possible that the sub will be too dry?




Yes, if you sterilize your jars then wait for weeks at a time there is
a chance that your sub will lose moisture. 1 week should not hurt but
as I said before I recommend making your jars around the same time you
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16074192 - 04/11/12 06:35 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I can't really seem to find if this ever came up, so here I go;  I used an "all natural" sea sponge instead of vermiculite in my BRF cake and everything worked out for me the same.  Except, via my reason, the taste of my crop was MUCH cleaner.  I blended up my dry sponge into a powder, replaced the vermiculite with it, and followed every other direction.  No abnormal contamination or growth times.

Has anyone experimented with vermiculite substitutions in their BRF cakes before?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: TertleMelon]
    #16074339 - 04/11/12 08:08 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

No. Never heard of sponge being used.

This is interesting.

Sponge will neither have the same mineral content,
but it seems reasonable that it might retain water well.

Can you post photos of these SpongeBobs?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #16075526 - 04/11/12 01:35 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'll have to start a new batch to take some pics, but it's gonna happen.  What minerals does the vermiculite provide?


Completely seperate, prob won't do it, but while I'm in the experimental section, has anyone tried other flours?  I can get anything from almond flour, to white rice flour, to quinoa flour.  I understand some of the mineral difference, but just wondering if anyone has tried it.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: TertleMelon]
    #16081803 - 04/12/12 07:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

most helpful tek,
i cannot contribute to helping others due to the reason that i am a rock at explaining things,
BUT i will send every last ape this direction,

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: TheHydrogenBomb]
    #16086894 - 04/13/12 09:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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most helpful tek,
i cannot contribute to helping others due to the reason that i am a rock at explaining things,
BUT i will send every last ape this direction,

just wanted to show my  appreciation,
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16104581 - 04/17/12 11:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So I was wondering....

After your cakes are fully colonized and consolidated and ready to dunk and roll, what can you put in the water?  I've read and done coffee + gypsum in my cakes already, but would adding one, both or something else to the water help your cakes grow?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: OptimusPrime]
    #16105449 - 04/18/12 06:13 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

No, you will just be adding a layer of nutrients to the surface of the cake(s) for bacterial or, mold bloom to occur.  Especially with the coffee.  Once cakes are fully consolidated and ready to fruit, just dunk the cakes in plain, room temperature water from the tap.


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    #16105618 - 04/18/12 07:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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No, you will just be adding a layer of nutrients to the surface of the cake(s) for bacterial or, mold bloom to occur.  Especially with the coffee.  Once cakes are fully consolidated and ready to fruit, just dunk the cakes in plain, room temperature water from the tap.



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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16124817 - 04/22/12 04:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm on day 8 after inoculation and getting decent mycelium growth on 8 out of 10 jars. It's been taking a while because the temperature settings aren't amazing but it's definitely taking off more as of the past two or three days. One which has no growth has something which I suspect to be cobweb mold. It is a patch which is off-white and has very tiny strands. It is also not next to the point of inoculation and less than the size of a dime. Should I toss this or wait it out to see if it's a problem?

Also literally all of the jars have a strange but mild odor coming off them. I wouldn't say it's very pungent or unpleasant but it definitely there. The actual smell is difficult to describe. I guess what I'm asking is, what are the odds that ALL of the jars have bacterial contamination and that I have to get rid of the entire grow and start over? Can bacterial contamination spread between nearby jars? This would be a tremendous bummer if my suspicions are correct, especially since they just started to really take off. The smell hasn't gotten more intense and I don't remember if it was less intense than it is now.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: syntax404]
    #16124886 - 04/22/12 04:21 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Also I think I should note that I sterilized by pot, not PC, eight days after putting the cakes in jars. So I made the cakes on 4/8, stored them in a sealed container that I sprayed down with Lysol until the spores arrived on 4/13, sterilized that night, and inoculated the following evening.

P.S. what size pressure cooker would I need to accommodate 10 1/2pt jars?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: syntax404]
    #16125117 - 04/22/12 05:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Pictures will help other members to identify healthy mycelium and contaminates.

BRF cakes have an odor themselves after steam sterilizing, I would describe
it as a cooked grain smell, this I assume is from the brown rice flour.

That being said if the odor is sour, pungent, reminds you of rotting
fruit or sour feet it is more then likely bacterial contaminates.
Also you should have sterilized the cakes after making them and waited
until your syringes arrived to inoculate instead of making the jars and
then allowing them to sit for 8 days before sterilizing.

During those 8 days all sorts of contaminates and bacteria would have
been multiplying on/inside the cakes. If you cannot use your cakes/grain
jars right away that is usually fine, but you MUST sterilize them as soon
as you add moisture and a nutritious material (BRF).

For size reference my 21L PC will hold 36 1/2 pint BRF cakes.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16125248 - 04/22/12 05:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Pictures will help other members to identify healthy mycelium and contaminates.

BRF cakes have an odor themselves after steam sterilizing, I would describe
it as a cooked grain smell, this I assume is from the brown rice flour.

That being said if the odor is sour, pungent, reminds you of rotting
fruit or sour feet it is more then likely bacterial contaminates.
Also you should have sterilized the cakes after making them and waited
until your syringes arrived to inoculate instead of making the jars and
then allowing them to sit for 8 days before sterilizing.

During those 8 days all sorts of contaminates and bacteria would have
been multiplying on/inside the cakes. If you cannot use your cakes/grain
jars right away that is usually fine, but you MUST sterilize them as soon
as you add moisture and a nutritious material (BRF).

For size reference my 21L PC will hold 36 1/2 pint BRF cakes.




I wouldn't say it's incredibly sour smelling but it's more sour than I'm comfortable with... I'm just gonna get rid of everything then and order some more spores. This is disappointing but I learned a lot of incredibly valuable information and as a learning experience I am happy. I just wish I had a bit more to show for everything. If I had the knowledge I did now when I started I definitely would not have let them sit. I'd post pictures of the supposed cobweb but it doesn't really matter since that jar is going too. Bummer.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: syntax404]
    #16125334 - 04/22/12 05:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Sometimes you learn the most from your mistakes and failures. Remember
a mistake is not a mistake if you learn from it brother, do not get discouraged,
regroup and try again. Good luck!

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    #16125599 - 04/22/12 06:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah. It's just a small set back. Things will go much smoother the next time (which will probably be later this week.)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: mistamonsta]
    #16170037 - 05/02/12 08:18 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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    #16171006 - 05/02/12 12:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16225121 - 05/13/12 03:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So I'm on my second grow and the jars are colonizing well. They've been colonizing for 14 days now. I used a pressure cooker this time around and I think it really helped with sterilizing and my water content but fuck me those things are scary if you don't have much experience using them. It's just raw pressure and if you don't know how to handle it entirely it's somewhat unnerving. I figured it out though. Here's a few questions I've had while I've been waiting for these to colonize. I realize this is an annoying amount of questions so feel free to answer only the ones that you feel like answering:


Are there any downsides to using more BRF in the mixture? I feel as those this could help the myc thrive more easily even though it's doing great so far (I assume) (pic.) I also speculate, maybe without basis, that more BRF could make the flushes better. The only downside I can think of is facilitating the growth of competing contaminants but does adding more BRF make this a definite issue? I feel as though we should organize people to try a variety of methods under varying conditions to see what is scientifically more effective. I feel more comfortable putting things like this (i.e sterilization method/duration, mixture concentration, temperature, etc vs yield and success rate) up to the scientific method rather than just saying it makes sense that y would happen this way given x. We definitely have enough people on here who could chip in data. I know most people tend to do their own thing but also feel like the best Tek has to lie in seeing what systematically does and doesn't work. Just a thought.

Is it safe to assume that the jar is fully colonized and I can begin consolidation when the mycelium has fully covered the sides and the bottom? I'm not really sure what the criteria is but I can assume if it's gotten to the center of the bottom and covered every visible surface that it's uniformly spread throughout the inside of the cake itself.

I apparently forgot to inoculate one point on jar C3 and two points on jar A4 but you can't really see from that picture I linked because they're on the other side. I only say this because myc is not growing from these points. Maybe I didn't press the plunger down enough or something because I was working in cramped conditions or just forgot. I don't plan on throwing these cakes out or anything, I'll probably just leave them while the others grow, but both will definitely take a lot longer to colonize. Especially A4, which only has two adjacent holes inoculated and nothing on the opposite side. Is it worth waiting for these to catch up? Will A4 ever colonize given the fact that half of it hasn't been inoculated? Does leaving them to colonize for too long increase risk of contaminants?

Is 10% bleach advantageous over Lysol?

While they are currently at 70-75 degrees Fahrenheit, I believe I've seen the most rapid colonization occur at 80 and more. I know 85 is harmful but 80 seems to be very good. Am I wrong in assuming this would be better?

Should I attempt to get prints on my first grow? It seems like it might be a bit of a headache. Can I pick some mushrooms when they're ripe and leave others to grow for prints?

I plan on starting my next grow as soon as the jars become available when I birth the cakes. I figure that from now until next year I can get 3-4 more grows under my belt or just keep doing it until I run out of vermiculite/brf. Are grain jars the next logical tek? They seem to be more consistent and with a higher yield. I wouldn't think many people stick to PF tek for very long.

Is there any way to know which types of edibles will and won't grow with PF tek?


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: syntax404]
    #16225242 - 05/13/12 04:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Too answer part of one of your questions, yes, adding more BRF will improve
the conditions for contaminants, but I think that just as important is
that the more nutritious the sub is, the slower it colonization will be.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #16225652 - 05/13/12 05:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Too answer part of one of your questions, yes, adding more BRF will improve
the conditions for contaminants, but I think that just as important is
that the more nutritious the sub is, the slower it colonization will be.

JD




Huh. I can kind of see how that could work out that way. Thanks.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: syntax404]
    #16241341 - 05/16/12 05:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

This may have already been said in the 7 pages of replies, but why not add an extra part for people who have/use/want to use filter lids? It isn't really necessary to add a dry verm layer to BRF cakes if another filter method is used. This Tek is definitely a nicely written tek but isn't really much different from the original. As the times change so do the techniques we use to cultivate mushrooms. Being that without a verm layer, people could put more substrate into the jars which would slightly increase the yields a tiny bit. I obviously wouldn't fill the whole way to the top so that it touches the filter, but even a slight gap would do the trick. Plus, adding a verm layer would become an extra unneeded step making the overall process a bit simpler(simplicity is key). Plus an added "how to" on making a filter lid would help out a lot of new people, who at one time or another are probably going to use them anyway. Filter lids can also be used over and over and over again. Why not continue to mix the past with the present, and create an even better slightly altered tried and true method. Ps, your tek is very well written, nice job :cool:

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: FuckMeRunnin] * 1
    #16241422 - 05/16/12 05:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Not everyone can get access to filter discs and injection ports. It is fairly easy to but
most people want to order as little off the internet as possible.

I have made cakes using the method you describe, as well as inoculating with agar wedges
and only have a filter discs over top. It is possible, but for someone starting out the
cheapest and easiest way is to just use a dry verm layer.

By all means I would encourage you to do a write up and post it here on the forums, this
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16241499 - 05/16/12 05:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Not everyone can get access to filter discs and injection ports. It is fairly easy to but
most people want to order as little off the internet as possible.

I have made cakes using the method you describe, as well as inoculating with agar wedges
and only have a filter discs over top. It is possible, but for someone starting out the
cheapest and easiest way is to just use a dry verm layer.

By all means I would encourage you to do a write up and post it here on the forums, this
write up was simply my take on making BRF cakes, in the hopes to help out those starting
out in the hobby.




I understand your take on not using filter disks. I myself haven't had to order anything offline to make very cheap filter disk tops. I use EZ felt and Silicone from walmart. Depending on the brands you use, it is actually cheaper and more readily available then vermiculite.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16241760 - 05/16/12 06:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Evil
Has anyone used poly fill in the top 1/2" of the jar, instead of verm or maybe in conjunction with it?

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    #16241769 - 05/16/12 06:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey Evil
Has anyone used poly fill in the top 1/2" of the jar, instead of verm or maybe in conjunction with it?

Thanks




Not that I have ever read, but I am sure someone somewhere has done it:shrug:.

I would suggest just using a verm layer to start with before experimenting with other methods
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16241818 - 05/16/12 06:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks evil, makes sense.

Great write up BTW, wish i had found this before my first go at the PF tek. Clear and concise!

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    #16798594 - 09/06/12 01:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup: Bravo. Very detailed and informative. Helped me avoid a lot of common novice mistakes. Thank you for taking the time to compile this tek.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: MycoParadise]
    #16798610 - 09/06/12 01:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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    #16798677 - 09/06/12 01:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

fuck ya :rockon:


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: MycoParadise]
    #16798730 - 09/06/12 01:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I recently started 11 brf jars and I used the taller half pint jars by accident. Its day 9 and I have 6 jars (2 b+ and 4 EQ) that have germinated. I can't see any growth in the other jars at all. I think one mistake I made that could account for this is not shaking the syringe well. When can I be sure that the jars have failed to germinate? I have a limited number of jars and I would like to re inoculate them asap if they are failures.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: MycoParadise]
    #16800001 - 09/06/12 05:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I would wait at least 20-25 days before calling them failures. Spores normally take 7-14 days
to germinate, depending upon ambient temperature.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16913821 - 09/26/12 09:50 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Hey,

first of all, thanks for the great tutorial. I searched long for anything comparable to this in German but nothing matches your very detailed instruction.

I got some questions though.


1. Why didn't you tape the kitchen gloves into your glove boxes? I'm not sure if I understood your method correctly but didn't you created something like a glove tunnel?

2. Is it correct to drill holes in every side of the plastic tote? I assume on the bottom of the tote lies the layers of perlite, doesn't the waste water drip through the tote then ?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Ger] * 1
    #16913834 - 09/26/12 09:53 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey,

first of all, thanks for the great tutorial. I searched long for anything comparable to this in German but nothing matches your very detailed instruction.

I got some questions though.


1. Why didn't you tape the kitchen gloves into your glove boxes? I'm not sure if I understood your method correctly but didn't you created something like a glove tunnel?

2. Is it correct to drill holes in every side of the plastic tote? I assume on the bottom of the tote lies the layers of perlite, doesn't the waste water drip through the tote then ?




i can help with these questions.

1. you dont tape the gloves in the glove box because you want them to be removable so you can clean them or replace them every time you use them.

2. you want holes on all sides INCLUDING the bottom. you also want to  have your tote to be elevated so air flow can go up through those bottom holes. this creates the correct airflow so that the water on the perlite evaporates creating the correct humidity inside your tote.

hope that helps.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #16913966 - 09/26/12 10:27 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Good call Jimmy....especially on the bottom.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #16916419 - 09/26/12 06:47 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Could not have answered that better myself Jimmy.

All I have to add is a bit about the reasoning behind creating glove tunnels as opposed to fixing
the gloves into the box. You will find that taking the gloves on and off is a pain in the ass,
and you have more mobility with gloved hands as opposed to fixed in gloves. Another thing I like
about the style of glove box is when you remove your hands you can gently pull the rubber back ,
twist it and push it into the hole sealing the glove box so you can wait for prints to drop spores,
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #16993080 - 10/08/12 06:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Im fairly new to the growing scene, I just wanted to say that this topic had the best information I have seen so far. I recently lost a few cakes to contams and after reading ALL 8 pages here, I am sure I know where I messed up.  So thanks for the great info!!


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    #16995335 - 10/09/12 12:11 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

awesome job man thanks for info on everything lol first tek ive seen with absolutely everything mentioned

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    #17046995 - 10/17/12 08:10 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So just getting sure I got everything right.

It is a glove tunnel ? You don't have the hand parts at the end? You use throwaway gloves everytime you go in the box?

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    #17047927 - 10/17/12 12:10 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That is correct. I use nitrile gloves and wipe them down with 70% ISO alcohol before entering into the glovebox through the glove tunnel.

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    #17221366 - 11/14/12 08:59 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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    #17221391 - 11/14/12 09:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

also i saw someones signature in this thread that said best colonization occurs at temps of 70-75 degrees.  I was planning on building an incubator with the aquarium heater and keeping temps around 78-79 degrees.  anything that can potentially speed up the process would be great but I also want to do whats best for the mushies.  2 cents please

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    #17221835 - 11/14/12 10:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Incubators can work, but are usually not recommended.

Higher temps promote contams too.

Room temp is best.  If you are comfortable, then the fungus will be too.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #17240983 - 11/18/12 02:06 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

First timer hear, I just ordered my spores and I was very happy to find this post. I have read all 8 pages and, I have been researching this tec for a few weeks..THIS write up is the best that I have found, even though they are all similar, lots of them leave things out, So I thank you for taking the time to help out us new guys. I have only one question and it may be a dumb one but I have to know before I begin. You say to NOT cover the jars with tin foil after injection them, so what DO you do? just leave the holes open? or do you put tape or something over them? Thank you for your time and all of your valuable information!

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    #17241483 - 11/18/12 03:24 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The verm layer acts as your contamination barrier. After inoculating place your jars on a shelf
or on top of a dresser and leave them to colonize. Room temperature (70-75F) will be fine. The
more you move your jars around the higher the chance of your verm barrier shifting and allowing
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    #17244906 - 11/19/12 06:22 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you very much...Cant wait to try this out!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: jarrydee]
    #17299370 - 11/28/12 07:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #17502602 - 01/05/13 03:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

i love this tec and i have a general question, you said:

Inoculation till first signs of growth - 7-14 days
First sign of growth to full colonization - 3-4 weeks
Full Colonization > Consolidate for 1 week
From Consolidation till harvest - 1-2 weeks

Question:
if my times (for the strain i am growing) have been:

Inoculation till first signs of growth - 3-4 days
First sign of growth to full colonization - 12-13 days

Which is about 1/2 the time that you gave as a rough guide, so I am wondering if these times will also be about half?

Full Colonization > Consolidate for 1 week  ??? 3-4 days ???
From Consolidation till harvest - 1-2 weeks  ???  1 week  ???


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: froste]
    #17502680 - 01/05/13 04:09 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

This is a good tech for beginners, and one thing that
beginners need is help in dealing with the patience this
hobby requires.

EM schedule is appropriate IMO.  If it is on the long-side, then
this is intentional, I am sure.

The speeds that you are seeing are not uncommon, but are definitely
on the fast-side.

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    #17502923 - 01/05/13 04:59 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

are there any down sides to the speeds i am seeing? and does this mean that my Consolidation time will be quicker? and does it mean that Consolidation till harvest times will be quicker? these were what i was tring to figure out when i asked:
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i love this tec and i have a general question, you said:

Inoculation till first signs of growth - 7-14 days
First sign of growth to full colonization - 3-4 weeks
Full Colonization > Consolidate for 1 week
From Consolidation till harvest - 1-2 weeks

Question:
if my times (for the strain i am growing) have been:

Inoculation till first signs of growth - 3-4 days
First sign of growth to full colonization - 12-13 days

Which is about 1/2 the time that you gave as a rough guide, so I am wondering if these times will also be about half?

Full Colonization > Consolidate for 1 week  ??? 3-4 days ???
From Consolidation till harvest - 1-2 weeks  ???  1 week  ???



Sorry if i wasnt clear enough, my bad.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: froste]
    #17503140 - 01/05/13 05:43 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing bad.

Speed suggests strength.  This is good.

The only down side *might* be less potency.

I only suggest this because it is often the slowness of PE that
makes this strain so much stronger than other strains.

I prefer strong species/strains.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #17557146 - 01/16/13 01:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks a bunch for taking the time to make this guide EM, i'm an aspiring myco-fiend and am about to start my first grow at the end of the month. I've been researching all the various teks and by far yours is the most thorough. Just thought i've give ya a quick thanks for helping out this community.

I do have one question come to mind. I am about to do my first grow and would just like to know if it is better to only go with one species or is it acceptable to put cakes of a few different types into one SGFC. My only thought has been perhaps one species might contaminate another, but i'd much rather like to get a veterans opinion

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: shroop]
    #17557330 - 01/16/13 02:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

It's cool to fruit several different species at once in the same fruiting chamber off of cakes so long as the species being fruited have similar fruiting parameters.  One specie will not contaminate the other though.

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    #17558332 - 01/16/13 05:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Solid response, appreciate the quick reply. I shouldnt have any issues once i get it going then, i plan on 4 strains of cubensis all together just to see which one is most efficient in that environment.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: shroop]
    #17558405 - 01/16/13 06:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What you are talking about is 4 different variety`s of cubensis, not strains. Here is some reading material for you:

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #17586448 - 01/21/13 05:48 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

just a quick question, before anyone says anything yes im a noob and have never grown before, can i make this cake and then just put it outside and let nature take its course or will that not work? i ask this because mushrooms grow naturally so idk why it would not work

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    #17586923 - 01/21/13 07:18 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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just a quick question, before anyone says anything yes im a noob and have never grown before, can i make this cake and then just put it outside and let nature take its course or will that not work? i ask this because mushrooms grow naturally so idk why it would not work



i think that this would depend alot on the temps and humidity of the place that you desire to put them.... i have heard of people doing it but not alot.... the more it has to fight off contams the harder it will be for it to produce much fruit.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: froste]
    #17613214 - 01/26/13 09:51 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

This is great. Thanks evil! :smile:

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    #17628793 - 01/29/13 01:00 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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This is great. Thanks evil! :smile:




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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #17676931 - 01/31/13 02:43 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

the best write up I've found so far, so I'm ok to remove the foil outside of the glovebox? That's kinda good really cos I was wondering where I'd put all that foil! Thanks Evil :smile:


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: HappinessStan]
    #17771348 - 02/09/13 05:22 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Wow evil this should really help me thanks mate

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    #17806163 - 02/15/13 09:47 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I just read your post. Thank you. I am about to begin, cakes are ready. One question...is potentcy lost by growing to full maturity? It is becuase of your endeavor that I will be liberated.

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    #17806175 - 02/15/13 09:51 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I just read your post. Thank you. I am about to begin, cakes are ready. One question...is potency lost by growing to full maturity? It is because of your endeavor that I will be liberated.



No potency is lost, but actives stop being produced when the veil breaks, so for maximum potency to weight ratio, pick them right before or as the veil it tearing. For printing, harvest when the cap flattens out.

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    #17891968 - 03/02/13 12:31 PM (11 years, 19 days ago)

Thanks so much for this write up, EM! It's been incredibly helpful and easy to follow. I inoculated on 2/25, noticed germination at every site by 2/27, and they're going strong! Can't wait to birth 'em!

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    #17892373 - 03/02/13 02:01 PM (11 years, 19 days ago)

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    #18101636 - 04/13/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I have received several messages this week thanking me for doing this write up among others. I
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    #18101668 - 04/13/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I have received several messages this week thanking me for doing this write up among others. I
am glad to know that this article is getting people excited about mushrooms and helping them
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It has been helping me from the start! I'm now on my first real day of misting/fanning and I'm following your tek to a T !!!! Thanks for doing it for us noobs out there!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #18102630 - 04/13/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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I have received several messages this week thanking me for doing this write up among others. I
am glad to know that this article is getting people excited about mushrooms and helping them
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #18301805 - 05/22/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Blue Eyed Devil]
    #18302051 - 05/22/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Just read through your write up on the pf tek. This should be put on the Teks page or whatever page that has mushroom growing info as its a bit bare at the moment.

Hopefully new members will find this instead of some of the older outdated teks that still seem to be floating around


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: veda_sticks]
    #18383020 - 06/07/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

One question: What if i were to leave the foil on and not poke holes in the lids. Take lid off poke needle through foil then replace the lid? Will this affect anything?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kakarot]
    #18384285 - 06/07/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

You want the tops of the jars to dry fully, and for the verm layer
to do the job of protecting the substrate.

Take off the foil.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #18387518 - 06/08/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I heard that the c02 can possibly make it grow faster, I have gotten a lot of back and forth some saying on some saying off. I just want to clear it up

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kakarot]
    #18387538 - 06/08/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

What does this black look like to you guys?


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kakarot]
    #18387640 - 06/08/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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I heard that the c02 can possibly make it grow faster, I have gotten a lot of back and forth some saying on some saying off. I just want to clear it up



CO2 slows down growth. It's good to have some buildup though in colonizing substrates to prevent pinning before the entire substrate is ready to fruit.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kizzle]
    #18387878 - 06/08/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

So its okay to leave the lids on? Dont want to open them up and let contams in

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kakarot]
    #18388260 - 06/08/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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CO2 slows down growth.



Not really.

You want very high co2 for colonization.

Monotubs are usually in the 10,000 to 20,000 ppm range when colonizing, and go down to less than 2000 ppm for fruiting.

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So its okay to leave the lids on? Dont want to open them up and let contams in



Fully colonized spawn, and pasteurized bulk substrate are contam resistant.

And if they were spawned in open air, chances are there are already contams in the tub.

Yes, leave the lids on until full colonization.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: PussyFart]
    #18388297 - 06/08/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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CO2 slows down growth.



Not really.

You want very high co2 for colonization.

Monotubs are usually in the 10,000 to 20,000 ppm range when colonizing, and go down to less than 2000 ppm for fruiting.

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So its okay to leave the lids on? Dont want to open them up and let contams in



Fully colonized spawn, and pasteurized bulk substrate are contam resistant.

And if they were spawned in open air, chances are there are already contams in the tub.

Yes, leave the lids on until full colonization.




Leave the lids on, as gas excahnge is all that is required, the inoc holes are plenty for gas exchange.

But while were on the subject of taking lids of (i dont recomend doing this though) but with a pf cake that has the dry verm filter you could take the lid off and put it back on without it contaminating.

again I DO NOT RECOMEND IT. Just for information. I wouldnt open a jar just incase. disturb that dry verm layer and it could be a disaster.

anyway...

as said co2 is benificial during colinisation but there is a point where it becomes a problem lack of gas exchange will slow down colinisation and even slow it.

Having FAE in jars would likely dry out the substrate


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: veda_sticks]
    #18391629 - 06/09/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Also there are no holes in my lids, and did you see the pic?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kakarot]
    #18393763 - 06/09/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

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CO2 slows down growth.


Not really.

You want very high co2 for colonization.

Monotubs are usually in the 10,000 to 20,000 ppm range when colonizing, and go down to less than 2000 ppm for fruiting.



But I've never seen anything to suggest the higher CO2 levels actually increase the speed of colonization. As far as I can tell decreasing gas exchange to a colonizing substrate has the direct effect of slowing colonization to some degree with very high CO2 levels stalling growth completely.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Kizzle]
    #18394528 - 06/09/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Higher CO2 does stimulate colonization.

Lowering CO2 is a fruiting trigger.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #18448597 - 06/20/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a little confused about drying out my cakes after the first flush. Does that mean I should move them out of my fruiting chamber or leave them in there without spraying for a few days?

Thanks for all this info, its working great so far!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Lacockle]
    #18464013 - 06/24/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm a little confused about drying out my cakes after the first flush. Does that mean I should move them out of my fruiting chamber or leave them in there without spraying for a few days?

Thanks for all this info, its working great so far!




The question has been answered in this thread already.. Anyway, you leave the cakes inside the FC and dont mist for a few days - so, they dehydrate. Then you dunk em.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: forestly]
    #18611966 - 07/25/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

DUDE! New to the site, been lurkin a while though. I was searching for a good beginners guide, you know, up in that search thingy, and low and behold I found exactly what I was looking for! High Five! A few of the acronyms and abreviations were confusing at first but after reading through this a few times, Im excited to get my project underway!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: hankstymcbankerson]
    #18612002 - 07/25/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

:borat:
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #18612026 - 07/25/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Same here.  Thanks for compiling all of this information in one place.  Following this tek has turned out great for me so far.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EnterTheCosmos]
    #18612043 - 07/25/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I am always glad to hear that others have had success from my take on the BRF tek, tickles
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EnterTheCosmos]
    #18807802 - 09/06/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I know it's frowned upon to bump old threads, but I just want to thank EvilMushroom666 for compiling all this great information into one place with great pictures and easy instructions, I'll be following it to the tee for my first grow in about a week. Except I'll be using a PMP setup instead of a shotgun terrarium. I'll also be starting my own grow thread once that time comes!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: doorsboy]
    #18809170 - 09/06/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:borat:

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #18809667 - 09/06/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Bumping *good* threads is often praised.

:cool:

(It can bring to the new threads worth reading)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #18809947 - 09/06/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm new here and have yet to attempt my first grow, but I have been lurking and reading on this site for a couple months now. This thread has really simplified a lot for me and made it seem a bit less intimidating. Thank you for bumping this guide as I will be using the methods described for my first try. Mycology is so interesting! After growing vegetables, herbs and flowering plants for several years I wanted to expand my horizons and try something different and more challenging and I think I have found that with this hobby! The community here seems really cool and very supportive. If any of you old school pros want to take me under your wing and teach me a thing or two, I'm all ears!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Dirtball]
    #18810914 - 09/07/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Great first post.

This is indeed a great place to start.

Do not let any cake-haters get you down.  Cakes rock.

Good luck,

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: doorsboy]
    #18811446 - 09/07/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

When misting do you only mist the perlite or do you mist the cakes as well? How much misting per session?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #19142497 - 11/15/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry for the VERY delayed response.

When misting mist over both the perlite and cakes. How much? Its sort of a feel you get with
time, I would say its better to under mist then over mist, and if you do accidentally get your
cakes a little soggy be sure to skip a misting or two to compensate.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
    #19153437 - 11/18/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I recommend this guide to a beginner. My jars are showing colonization after 3 days. Just do everything it says.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: happygolucky]
    #19159419 - 11/19/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:borat: Always love to hear success stories.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #19170737 - 11/21/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If I could offer an oh-so-humble suggestion as a complete newb: I inoculated last night following this guide, (which is phenomenal, by the way) hopefully with great success. But I almost made a mistake that might have rendered my jars useless and my spores wasted. In the inoculation section of the guide, you mention that it's a good idea to inject the spores at an angle, up against the inside of the glass.

My first instinct upon reading this was to stick the needle in at as shallow an angle as possible so I could ensure that it was right up against the glass. I realized, however, that this meant that the spores would be injected into the vermiculite layer rather than into the substrate, so I increased the angle and made sure the needle tip was far down enough.

Just a suggestion as someone who was looking at this with completely inexperienced eyes: it might not hurt to add a line in the section describing the injection that makes it absolutely clear that the needle tip should be far down enough that it's past the verm layer when the spores come out.

Aside from that, I couldn't be happier with this guide and couldn't think of a way to make it easier to understand or follow. It's one of best walkthroughs I've seen on any subject, and I'd like to thank you so much for putting it together. It's great.

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    #19172512 - 11/21/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I appreciate the input and when I get a minute I will add a section in regards to this, thank
you for the information and good luck!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #19179622 - 11/23/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Loved this guide. Helped me a lot by simplifying some information I found to be confusing. Thanks :smile:

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    #19188733 - 11/25/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Love knowing that even though I have stepped away from the hobby and moved onto other things
that my articles are still teaching people from all over the world how to grow mushrooms:thumbup:

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: bourgasm]
    #19190142 - 11/26/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks- Evil I wish I would of found this site before I had started with my first run... I jumped in feet first ,here's my problem I have cake 4x10x1.75in well I didn't know about dunk an roll, my cake is fruiting very nice but,I know that it is fairly dry. would like to roll in verm for second run what do you think ? (

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #19497529 - 01/30/14 04:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for you're pf tek write up I'm a new mycologist who has used it to great success anyway just wanted to show props man thanks:thumbup:

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    #19498310 - 01/30/14 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Congrats, as I have said before it tinkles me pink to know I have helped someone learn to grow
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #19498678 - 01/30/14 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup: i still dont get why people hate on the pf tek :shrug:


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #19904145 - 04/26/14 05:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, you really are an awesome scientist man. Thank you soo much for the information.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Professoreff]
    #19905161 - 04/26/14 10:43 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Bookmarked, you would say that it's necessary to spray them even if it's a constant 100% humidity?


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Psycho Nautic]
    #19905164 - 04/26/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Bookmarked, you would say that it's necessary to spray them even if it's a constant 100% humidity?



you mist any sub as needed, surface humidity is the most important


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Bookmarked, you would say that it's necessary to spray them even if it's a constant 100% humidity?



you mist any sub as needed, surface humidity is the most important



:whathesaid: humidity fluctuations caused by mist evaporating off the surface of the substrate are the biggest factors for growth along with fresh air exchange. you always want to mist and fan, and then repeat as soon as you can after the substrate surface has dried.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: MushroomWizard420]
    #19918821 - 04/29/14 08:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quick question. After the Inoculation period it says NOT to put the tinfoil back on the jars.

But the pictures during the germination period do show something covering the tops of the jars and i dont see any mention anywhere about putting anything else over it

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    #19918896 - 04/29/14 09:00 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Quick question. After the Inoculation period it says NOT to put the tinfoil back on the jars.

But the pictures during the germination period do show something covering the tops of the jars and i dont see any mention anywhere about putting anything else over it

But its entirely possible i missed something



nothing over the jars at all except the lid itself, including the filter.
should look somethin like this, excluding the tape i labeled the jars with:


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: MushroomWizard420]
    #19918918 - 04/29/14 09:05 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Oh ok. So It's just tape that you have over it. Thanks!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: NoIdeaWhatImDoing]
    #19919276 - 04/29/14 10:51 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Bookmarked, you would say that it's necessary to spray them even if it's a constant 100% humidity?



If you're getting a truly sustained humidity, you're fine without spraying. However, for most situations I've seen, a periodic spray is necessary to sustain the level of humidity you need.


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Quick question. After the Inoculation period it says NOT to put the tinfoil back on the jars.

But the pictures during the germination period do show something covering the tops of the jars and i dont see any mention anywhere about putting anything else over it

But its entirely possible i missed something



If you properly sterilize your jars, you do not need to keep the foil on. The point of the dry vermiculite layer is to filter out anything that would ruin a healthy substrate. if you don't properly sterilize your jars, that extra amount of tin foil will not help you. Leaving the tinfoil on seems to make some people feel better, so if you want to do it, have fun. I personally just use it for my next batch.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Masticore]
    #19921603 - 04/30/14 12:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Bookmarked, you would say that it's necessary to spray them even if it's a constant 100% humidity?



If you're getting a truly sustained humidity, you're fine without spraying. However, for most situations I've seen, a periodic spray is necessary to sustain the level of humidity you need.



constant high humidity isn't near as important as allowing the water to evaporate off of the surface of the mushrooms, which is why the mist/fan cycle is far preferable to using a humidifier. RR goes into great detail describing this but i can't find the page right now.

after the dunk and roll the humidity of the cakes is primarily fixed at a proper level, but misting the surface and allowing the surface to then evaporate causes pinning after full colonization. the misting is NOT primarily used to keep RH up, the SGFC should do that just fine until the cakes start to bear fruits. once they start fruiting, however, proper misting helps keep the mushrooms healthy and thriving.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: MushroomWizard420]
    #19929060 - 05/01/14 09:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Bookmarked, you would say that it's necessary to spray them even if it's a constant 100% humidity?



If you're getting a truly sustained humidity, you're fine without spraying. However, for most situations I've seen, a periodic spray is necessary to sustain the level of humidity you need.



constant high humidity isn't near as important as allowing the water to evaporate off of the surface of the mushrooms, which is why the mist/fan cycle is far preferable to using a humidifier. RR goes into great detail describing this but i can't find the page right now.

after the dunk and roll the humidity of the cakes is primarily fixed at a proper level, but misting the surface and allowing the surface to then evaporate causes pinning after full colonization. the misting is NOT primarily used to keep RH up, the SGFC should do that just fine until the cakes start to bear fruits. once they start fruiting, however, proper misting helps keep the mushrooms healthy and thriving.



Yeah, evaporation is key, and what I said is not exactly true. This is why most pump setups that mist a chamber periodically don't provide a good crop. That's probably the whole reason the SGFC was developed. If you're looking for full automation, a completely different rout would be best. It's not really a good rout for beginners because of the tweaking involved. If you want to put a hut together with a mobile closet or something, that's do-able, but you're probably not using the PFtek at that point for more than anything than grabbing a few mushies for cloning.


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #20401335 - 08/10/14 10:20 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you so much for posting this tek! It is extremely helpful and clarified a lot for me! I just have a question or two.. If i wanted to mix the cakes into this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595 I would just crumble them and disperse them? and how would I flush using this method?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #20418021 - 08/14/14 01:55 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

This is my go to tek. Superb stuff, EM

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: brian-trousers]
    #20452015 - 08/21/14 12:58 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Hey this is an awesome and really user friendly TEK!! I have been looking into gathering some materials, I've found some
100% ISO alcohol spray is this ok to use or is TOO high a percentage compared to
70% ISO alcohol.

I'm guessing if it's to sterilise then it being 100% shouldn't be a problem but just checking...

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Stemhead]
    #20452125 - 08/21/14 01:26 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

70% is what you want.....and alcohol doesn't sterilize anything.....sanitize maybe.

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    #20452397 - 08/21/14 03:30 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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70% is what you want.....and alcohol doesn't sterilize anything.....sanitize maybe.




Argh fuck, really?? Any ideas where I can get some? I spose I can just get it online...


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    #20452409 - 08/21/14 03:34 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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70% is what you want.....and alcohol doesn't sterilize anything.....sanitize maybe.




Argh fuck, really?? Any ideas where I can get some? I spose I can just get it online...



Walgreens, walmart, kmart, target, local grocery stores, any pharmacy.....your medicine cabinet.

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Yeh cool, I will take a day out soon and shop around. Cheers


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #20466667 - 08/23/14 09:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

this should be stickyied

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: djd101]
    #20466762 - 08/23/14 09:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

it's a cake tek, put it in your sig of you like it that much:thumbup:, personelly i love this write up but we don't sticky teks


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: cronicr]
    #20505905 - 09/01/14 12:25 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

One more question.. (For now..) ! When sterilising the jars in the boiling pot it says the lid must be well fitting to prevent the loss of steam. Does this mean you shouldn't use one of the lids with a hole in that let's off steam and if that's the case I'm guessing i could just cover it over.

Sorry to keep asking I just want to be sure I get it right ! Thanks


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Stemhead]
    #20505943 - 09/01/14 12:36 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah there fine, cover it up if possible but he's basicly saying don't use the wrong size lid


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Stemhead]
    #20586099 - 09/18/14 10:02 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

What are your professional opinions on the POOR MANS POD fruiting chamber this site (admins) also seems to be promoting? I understand you don't want stagnant water just sitting on the bottom of your SGFC because that would allow contams to fester. Is the bubbling/aeration by the stones enough to keep the water moving and contam growth to a minimum or should I fill the pod with like a 1-5% solution of water/bleach to prevent that? My problem is I work shifts way longer than 10-14 hours sometimes. There are times I might not be home for days so you can understand why a "self-sustaining" fruiting chamber is so appealing to me. It's not that I'm lazy.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Monkeypositive89]
    #20628734 - 09/28/14 12:27 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The only BRF tek I follow

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: motherchimp]
    #20628790 - 09/28/14 12:45 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Nice write up. Ive never done BRF because i've always used WBS or Rye berries. I might try this out to get the experience under my belt


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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: djmako7]
    #20640921 - 09/30/14 04:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome writeup. It's frustrating when people have issues with a writeup that rehashes preexisting methods. The addition of any new information on top of verified information is extremely helpful, as well as new pictures.

Also, the ensuing discussion has been particularly invaluable to me. Thanks again to OP for the excellent guide.

A few questions:

1. "Whatever method you use do not forget that an enclosed area + iso alcohol fumes + flame = BOOM."

So after I wipe down my gloves and instruments with 70% iso, I should leave the door open while inoculating? I've heard inoculating in a closed bathroom after spraying it down is a good method, but since I'll have an open flame, what's the best way?

2. Your box uses cutoff gloves + separate latex gloves instead of full gloves attached to the box. What is the advantage to your method over the latter? Is it simply easier to move your syringe and cakes and instruments in and out of the box or just preference? Edit: This has been answered ITT. He prefers this method because it's easier to use new nitrile gloves through the glove tunnel than it is to keep cleaning permanently attached gloves. It's also beneficial to be able to just twist up the protruding ends of the tunnel and stuff them in the entry points to block off the airflow to prevent contaminants. Also, it makes everything easier to handle.

3. RE: Surgical Mask - Should I also wear a hairnet or hat or something as well if it's advisable to shower and brush my teeth?

4. If my jars get contaminated, is it alright to simply wrap them in a trash bag and toss them in the garbage? Or should I PC/boil them and THEN toss them out? I'm equally concerned for my own home/operations as wherever my trash winds up. I don't want to turn my town into zombies!

5. Once the mycelium has reached 100% and I've allowed a week for it to consolidate, I no longer need the strict sterilization techniques, do I? At this point, is the mycelium strong enough to withstand whatever potential contaminates are in my house where I'll be removing it from the jar, rinsing, dunking and rolling?

6. When sterilizing with boil, is it possible to stack jars on top of one another if separated by something, say additional rings or tin foil barriers?

7. A properly fitting lid with a small hole in the top for the steam to escape is fine, correct?

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20641779 - 09/30/14 07:01 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Since I just did this tek I figured I might try to answer some of questions. Others please feel free to correct me or add anything I missed.

1. "Whatever method you use do not forget that an enclosed area + iso alcohol fumes + flame = BOOM."
As in just be very careful where you are flame sterilising and where you are wiping down with ISO, can use what ever you find is the safest. Leaving the door open would defeat the purpose of still air and I heard bathroom are the areas with the most contaminates. Maybe flame on a different surface you can turn around and do to give you distance.

Personally I use hospital grade disinfectant so I dont have to worry about fumes and open flames and still works all the same, or hopefully.


3. RE: Surgical Mask - Should I also wear a hairnet or hat or something as well if it's advisable to shower and brush my teeth?
Its advisable to shower, scrub really well especially your arms and hands then brush your teeth. You dont really need to bother with a mask/hair net because people can inoculate in open air and they still get no contaminants.


4. If my jars get contaminated, is it alright to simply wrap them in a trash bag and toss them in the garbage? Or should I PC/boil them and THEN toss them out? I'm equally concerned for my own home/operations as wherever my trash winds up. I don't want to turn my town into zombies!
Yes that would work but I dont like to throw out a new jar so I would boil them for an hour, never opening indoors then dispose in an outdoor bin. Never open indoors and be careful to not get anything on your clothes which you bring back indoors.


5. Once the mycelium has reached 100% and I've allowed a week for it to consolidate, I no longer need the strict sterilization techniques, do I? At this point, is the mycelium strong enough to withstand whatever potential contaminates are in my house where I'll be removing it from the jar, rinsing, dunking and rolling?
No you dont, you are dunking in unsterilised water and rolling from verm straight in the bag then putting in a chamber in open air. Not too much worry but dont be dirty either and keep your FC off the ground.


6. When sterilizing with boil, is it possible to stack jars on top of one another if separated by something, say additional rings or tin foil barriers?
Yes same as you would for PC so stack all the same.


7. A properly fitting lid with a small hole in the top for the steam to escape is fine, correct?
Yes as long as its not a lid of a different size to the pot and keep checking the water because it often boils dry.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: motherchimp]
    #20642120 - 09/30/14 08:13 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks a lot for the reply.

The sterilization is the biggest issue I'm having with so far. I'll likely be storing my SGFC in my spare room, but ideally I'd inoculate them in a different part of my house, likely in my kitchen on the table.

I'm assuming I'm overthinking things. I'm only wiping down my gloves and the inside of my glovebox with isopropyl alcohol, right? So holding the needle over flame outside of the glove box should be fine as long as the isopropyl alcohol on my gloves has dried?

I wish there was a video demonstrating the entire sterilization aspect of this part of PF Tek.

Thanks again!

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20642265 - 09/30/14 08:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Well there are many videos, firstly: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
and theres just so so many on youtube

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: motherchimp]
    #20642483 - 09/30/14 09:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I've seen RR's videos, but he uses a different setup than most, and he's also in a pretty big room so he can film properly. I've seen other videos where people spray down rooms with bleach (which isn't advisable since bleach is a surface disinfectant), different videos that take place in a bathroom, pictures of grow ops in bedrooms and on desks, etc.

I guess I meant videos/better pictures which show the whole process in each PF Tek. When I perfect mine, I'll try and make one.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20642503 - 09/30/14 09:44 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

You could do PF tek in a dirty toilet stall in open air and still get 100% colonisation I would imagine. Im not going to be the first to do it though. Dont take too much time considering what room or space to do it in as long as you wipe down your SAB, close all windows and such, flame your needle and wear gloves you'll be golden. 

This tek has some good photos or if you want more theres: http://www.shroomery.org/10256/PF-Tek-v2 ; and:
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: motherchimp]
    #20644454 - 10/01/14 02:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks a lot for the links. I'll be sure to wipe down everything I use, cover myself up, and flame sterilize my needles.

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20704792 - 10/15/14 12:48 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ClosetMonster]
    #20816025 - 11/09/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

This write-up was a big help in my beginning stages; thank you very much EM666!

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Edit for the purpose of asking a question.

I have noticed (at different times of sterilizing jars) that sometimes after they cool, the inside of the jar looks a bit sweaty and other times not so much. Has anyone else experienced this? Is this usual or unusual? I did make the mixes in the very same way and water was not under the aluminum foil, so I am a bit curious..

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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #20820609 - 11/10/14 07:15 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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