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tripdawg420
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MycoParadise
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: MycoParadise]
#16798730 - 09/06/12 01:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I recently started 11 brf jars and I used the taller half pint jars by accident. Its day 9 and I have 6 jars (2 b+ and 4 EQ) that have germinated. I can't see any growth in the other jars at all. I think one mistake I made that could account for this is not shaking the syringe well. When can I be sure that the jars have failed to germinate? I have a limited number of jars and I would like to re inoculate them asap if they are failures.
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: MycoParadise]
#16800001 - 09/06/12 05:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would wait at least 20-25 days before calling them failures. Spores normally take 7-14 days to germinate, depending upon ambient temperature.
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Ger
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Hey,
first of all, thanks for the great tutorial. I searched long for anything comparable to this in German but nothing matches your very detailed instruction.
I got some questions though.
1. Why didn't you tape the kitchen gloves into your glove boxes? I'm not sure if I understood your method correctly but didn't you created something like a glove tunnel?
2. Is it correct to drill holes in every side of the plastic tote? I assume on the bottom of the tote lies the layers of perlite, doesn't the waste water drip through the tote then ?
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jimmyjame1
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Ger] 1
#16913834 - 09/26/12 09:53 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ger said: Hey,
first of all, thanks for the great tutorial. I searched long for anything comparable to this in German but nothing matches your very detailed instruction.
I got some questions though.
1. Why didn't you tape the kitchen gloves into your glove boxes? I'm not sure if I understood your method correctly but didn't you created something like a glove tunnel?
2. Is it correct to drill holes in every side of the plastic tote? I assume on the bottom of the tote lies the layers of perlite, doesn't the waste water drip through the tote then ?
i can help with these questions.
1. you dont tape the gloves in the glove box because you want them to be removable so you can clean them or replace them every time you use them.
2. you want holes on all sides INCLUDING the bottom. you also want to have your tote to be elevated so air flow can go up through those bottom holes. this creates the correct airflow so that the water on the perlite evaporates creating the correct humidity inside your tote.
hope that helps.
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: jimmyjame1]
#16913966 - 09/26/12 10:27 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good call Jimmy....especially on the bottom.
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
#16916419 - 09/26/12 06:47 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Could not have answered that better myself Jimmy.
All I have to add is a bit about the reasoning behind creating glove tunnels as opposed to fixing the gloves into the box. You will find that taking the gloves on and off is a pain in the ass, and you have more mobility with gloved hands as opposed to fixed in gloves. Another thing I like about the style of glove box is when you remove your hands you can gently pull the rubber back , twist it and push it into the hole sealing the glove box so you can wait for prints to drop spores, agar plates to cool, etc.
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Zerome
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Im fairly new to the growing scene, I just wanted to say that this topic had the best information I have seen so far. I recently lost a few cakes to contams and after reading ALL 8 pages here, I am sure I know where I messed up. So thanks for the great info!!
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vaneazy
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awesome job man thanks for info on everything lol first tek ive seen with absolutely everything mentioned
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Ger
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: vaneazy]
#17046995 - 10/17/12 08:10 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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So just getting sure I got everything right.
It is a glove tunnel ? You don't have the hand parts at the end? You use throwaway gloves everytime you go in the box?
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Ger]
#17047927 - 10/17/12 12:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is correct. I use nitrile gloves and wipe them down with 70% ISO alcohol before entering into the glovebox through the glove tunnel.
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thelanzii

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Edited by thelanzii (08/25/14 07:22 PM)
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: thelanzii]
#17221391 - 11/14/12 09:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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also i saw someones signature in this thread that said best colonization occurs at temps of 70-75 degrees. I was planning on building an incubator with the aquarium heater and keeping temps around 78-79 degrees. anything that can potentially speed up the process would be great but I also want to do whats best for the mushies. 2 cents please
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: thelanzii] 1
#17221835 - 11/14/12 10:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Incubators can work, but are usually not recommended.
Higher temps promote contams too.
Room temp is best. If you are comfortable, then the fungus will be too.
Good luck,
JD
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jarrydee
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog]
#17240983 - 11/18/12 02:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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First timer hear, I just ordered my spores and I was very happy to find this post. I have read all 8 pages and, I have been researching this tec for a few weeks..THIS write up is the best that I have found, even though they are all similar, lots of them leave things out, So I thank you for taking the time to help out us new guys. I have only one question and it may be a dumb one but I have to know before I begin. You say to NOT cover the jars with tin foil after injection them, so what DO you do? just leave the holes open? or do you put tape or something over them? Thank you for your time and all of your valuable information!
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: jarrydee]
#17241483 - 11/18/12 03:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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The verm layer acts as your contamination barrier. After inoculating place your jars on a shelf or on top of a dresser and leave them to colonize. Room temperature (70-75F) will be fine. The more you move your jars around the higher the chance of your verm barrier shifting and allowing in unwanted visitors.
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jarrydee
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Thank you very much...Cant wait to try this out!
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: jarrydee]
#17299370 - 11/28/12 07:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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froste
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i love this tec and i have a general question, you said:
Inoculation till first signs of growth - 7-14 days First sign of growth to full colonization - 3-4 weeks Full Colonization > Consolidate for 1 week From Consolidation till harvest - 1-2 weeks
Question: if my times (for the strain i am growing) have been:
Inoculation till first signs of growth - 3-4 days First sign of growth to full colonization - 12-13 days
Which is about 1/2 the time that you gave as a rough guide, so I am wondering if these times will also be about half?
Full Colonization > Consolidate for 1 week ??? 3-4 days ??? From Consolidation till harvest - 1-2 weeks ??? 1 week ???
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: froste]
#17502680 - 01/05/13 04:09 PM (11 years, 24 days ago) |
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This is a good tech for beginners, and one thing that beginners need is help in dealing with the patience this hobby requires.
EM schedule is appropriate IMO. If it is on the long-side, then this is intentional, I am sure.
The speeds that you are seeing are not uncommon, but are definitely on the fast-side.
Good luck,
JD
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