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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: heresy]
#15259785 - 10/22/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice Work EMtrip6's - keep it up
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cream777
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just had to tell you that is incredible well thought out,and meticulous.i'v taken your advice before and your always on point.great job!.Dedication and support like yours is what makes this site as sweet as it is
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The specie of mushroom being cultivated MUST fall with in a certain temperature range or it won't fruit or worse, it gets infected. Too cold, won't fruit amongst other problems, mainly dehydration. Too hot, the environment swelters and substrates retain moisture. Infections prefer warmer temperatures and stagnant air.
The four main pinning triggers (environmental wise) are fresh-air-exchange, lighting, relative humidity, and temperature. Evaporation of moisture from the substrate's surface is a direct effect of FAE (air coming into contact with the moisture on the surface of the substrate).
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
#15260757 - 10/22/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for your input Doctor_Inoc. When writing a TEK as in depth and meticulous as this it is very easy to over look certain things, or explain them in such a way that is unclear or causes confusion. I have made the following changes to try and clear things up and provide accurate information. If you see anything that should be changed, or have any other input please do not hesitate to let me know brother
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Environmental Pinning Triggers Here are some of the triggers that are needed to initiate pinning:
-Fresh Air The holes in your chamber in combination with fanning will provide your cakes with plenty of fresh air. This is a major pinning trigger.
-Evaporation from the substrate Misting allows your cakes to absorb moisture into its vermiculite reservoir as well as replenishes the moisture to the perlite. After you mist the water will begin to evaporate off the surface of your cakes, this is a VERY important pinning trigger. If your cakes are constantly water logged and soaked/drenched with water chances are they will not pin, will perform poorly, or contaminate. Note that evaporation from the substrate is a direct result of providing proper FAE.
-Light Be it from a 6500K compact florescent or indirect sunlight make sure you have some form of suitable light for your chamber. You should have the light on a cycle of 12/12. You do not need the light to be directly against the chamber, but pointed at it a few feet away should do the trick. Proper lighting will help initiate a solid pin set as well as strong meaty mushrooms. IMO lighting is on the bottom of the list of pinning triggers, but something not to be ignored if you want a good harvest of beautiful fruits.
Relative Humidity Providing the proper range of RH for the species of mushroom that you are cultivating will help in the formation of your fruiting bodies. A Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber is designed if built correctly to hold an RH of 95-100% when filled with cakes, which will be perfect for cubensis and most other edible and medicinal mushrooms.
Temperature The species of mushroom being cultivated MUST fall with in a certain temperature range or it won't fruit or worse, it gets infected. Too cold, won't fruit amongst other problems, mainly dehydration. Too hot, the environment swelters and substrates retain moisture. Infections prefer warmer temperatures and stagnant air.
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ar1es
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the thing about this site is that a lot of people just rehash other people's ideas
they put it in their own words, take a few pictures and then call it their own
noobs dont know the difference so the credit a lot of times goes to the wrong person
anyway
a lot of people love the fae is the pinning trigger argument
they birth their cakes a week after full colonization and then mist and fan the shit out of them for a week or so before pins even show up
i like to leave my cakes and jars until i see the pinset
then i birth them or open them up to fae and they plump up nice and good
idk if anybody else has tried this method but it saves a lot of effort and you get really good results
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es] 2
#15266589 - 10/23/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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ar1es said: the thing about this site is that a lot of people just rehash other people's ideas
they put it in their own words, take a few pictures and then call it their own
Notice the title of the thread Evilmushroom666's TAKE on BRF Cakes. I also think I did a bit more then re-hash other peoples ideas, but you are entitled to your opinion I guess.
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
#15266692 - 10/23/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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ar1es said: the thing about this site is that a lot of people just rehash other people's ideas
they put it in their own words, take a few pictures and then call it their own
noobs dont know the difference so the credit a lot of times goes to the wrong person
anyway
a lot of people love the fae is the pinning trigger argument
they birth their cakes a week after full colonization and then mist and fan the shit out of them for a week or so before pins even show up
i like to leave my cakes and jars until i see the pinset
then i birth them or open them up to fae and they plump up nice and good
idk if anybody else has tried this method but it saves a lot of effort and you get really good results
Yeah just about everyone here does. They call it consolidation
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ar1es said: the thing about this site is that a lot of people just rehash other people's ideas
they put it in their own words, take a few pictures and then call it their own
Notice the title of the thread Evilmushroom666's TAKE on BRF Cakes. I also think I did a bit more then re-hash other peoples ideas, but you are entitled to your opinion I guess.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
You are too kind EM, as usual.
What you did was the sort of "radio check" that we all need, and all provide for eachother. By this I mean a clear definition of a tek as we currently understand it. This allow us to sort out all the various thoughts, and is also another place to look it up when needed. (I needed to find lime amounts for a casing soil the other night...it took a while to find ;0)
The fact that there are alternatives at certain points can and probably should be mentioned where possible.
EM was not trying to claim any sort of authorship!
JD
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Javadog] 2
#15268330 - 10/23/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people are just negative and cynical by nature. I am in some aspects of life I will not lie but when it comes to spreading knowledge and learning their is simply no place for it.
When I want to learn about a new topic, whatever that may be do I read one book and then set it down and say well I know enough? No I do not.
People learn in different ways and I find that when researching a topic reading a few books, articles or write ups on the topic can help you find a style of teaching/writing that truly sinks in and clicks so to speak.
I made this article to teach people how to grow edible and medicinal mushrooms, to help them avoid many of the pitfalls and mistakes that those new to the hobby make and to spread information, knowledge and experience that I have gained in my experiments and projects.
If you want to make comments along the lines of "another tek? saying the same thing that all the other teks already state about pf tek" you can take that attitude and refrain from posting as we are trying to spread knowledge and help others here, not breed negativity.
Edited by EvilMushroom666 (10/23/11 09:37 PM)
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XAXAU
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Well put!
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: XAXAU]
#15271588 - 10/24/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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If the archives ever get straight, I think this should be there.
Everything in the OP is a collection of EM666's knowledge on the matter. It's not anything new per se, but that's not what its for. It's a valuable "find it all here" explanation and run through of the process and has nice tips from someone who is experienced with it.
I enjoyed it man.
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Wing]
#15298308 - 10/30/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you very much for this post, I'm just at my first experience with shrooms and this guide is my Bible during this days!!! Thank you thank you thank you!
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ar1es
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i would add a few more things to your post
1. which way to put the lids on the jars? rubber up or down 2. which edibles work with pf tek 3. advantages/disadvantages of a butane lighter vs alcohol burner vs bic 4. why 70% iso vs 90% 5. turn off Air conditioning/fans before glovebox work 6. make sure not to put tinfoil back on jars after inoculation 7. your instructions say to put inoculated jars "on a shelf" not really necessary 8. contamination you say that the cause can be linked to sterile procedure but should be mentioned that the syringe could be contam 9. i would add not to open a contam jar for any reason inside the home even after PC 10. 6500k = labeled as "daylight" bulbs 11. i would add a fan as an optional fruiting item, just something to move the air around the room, ceiling fan or whatever 12. clear plastic tote- clear lid or colored lid? 13. perlite is pretty nasty stuff so a tip to open the bag outside and to spray lightly with water in the bag to reduce the dust may help 14. i dont know if the max potency thing in regards to when to pick the mushrooms is correct, thought the jury was still out on that one 15. 100% colonization is another way to go in terms of waiting to birth your cakes. Saves you effort especially if you dont have time in the day to mist and fan. just wait until you see pins formin in jar then birth 16. how to pick the mushies should be touched on. some people twist, others cut 17. u dont talk about storage/drying techniques 18 nothing on aborts and making sure to pick these badboys 19 id also talk about the risk of keeping cakes in your FC too long and the inevitable funk that will start growing on the cakes when their time is done 20. id mention the mushroom smell. it smells fantastic but it does smell so people doing this incognito style may want to take some remedies 21. also, what to do with your fc if there is a problem with contam on one of your cakes, how to clean it between grows
maybe i was a bit too harsh with my initial critique and i apologize
i see you are just trying to help
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
#15302008 - 10/30/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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psychonaut:
I disagree with every other one of your suggestions because you were either suggesting something which was already implied, such as the 6500K light bit, or requesting him to state an irrelevant detail like using something other than a shelf to store your grain spawn.
You clearly are enraged because EM has in your eyes "stolen" someones tek and taken credit for it, but he has literally made it a top priority to inform everyone that this is a revision of historical teks, as can be seen on his original post. This tek is one with new, revised information, and this is necessary for the preservation of the history of this site.
Edited by mikesethnobotany (10/31/11 12:40 AM)
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3. advantages/disadvantages of a butane lighter vs alcohol burner vs bic
who gives a shit.
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4. why 70% iso vs 90%
too far off subject, this is a BRF cake tek, not a microbiology course.
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6. make sure not to put tinfoil back on jars after inoculation
Why would you do that in the first place?
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7. your instructions say to put inoculated jars "on a shelf" not really necessary
Again, way off topic and irrelevant information.
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10. 6500k = labeled as "daylight" bulbs
6500K implies this.
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12. clear plastic tote- clear lid or colored lid?
Absolutely implied and would have to go out of your way to even try to get a colored lid to fit on a clear tote.
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17. u dont talk about storage/drying techniques
This was not meant to be an all-in-one tek, or so I would think from the Title of this Tek.
You either,
A.) Are mad and felt the need to come up with bogus claims about what should be changed for what was already a masterpiece.
or
B.) Are tripping shrooms/stoned 2 "da bone" so you really are incoherent and thinking that this masterpiece was actually shit.
Get me straight right now, I am not a pro grower. But your critiquing someone who made quite possibly one of the best laid out and structured BRF teks that this forum has ever seen. Why? You must have been angry, but thats just human. I think that these quotes above are really unnecessary and were posted out of mere anger. My 2 cents is, if you have nothing good to say, don't say it. If you want to critique then fine, but make it as mature and reasonable as possible..... but seriouly, why would anyone think twice about using anything other than a clear lid on a clear tote, or even think for a second that placing jars on a shelf is an absolute must, and doing otherwise would lead to the immediate death and suffocation of their inoculum! (rhetorical question, dont answer it).
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EvilMushroom666 said: I tried to go over all the common questions, misconceptions and issues that arise for those new to cultivation. I hope it helps a lot of folks grow their first batch of edible or medicinal mushrooms 
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mikesethnobotany said: psychonaut:
I disagree with every other one of your suggestions because you were either suggesting something which was already implied, such as the 6500K light bit, or requesting him to state an irrelevant detail like using something other than a shelf to store your grain spawn.
You clearly are enraged because EM has in your eyes "stolen" someones tek and taken credit for it, but he has literally made it a top priority to inform everyone that this is a revision of historical teks, as can be seen on his original post. This tek is one with new, revised information, and this is necessary for the preservation of the history of this site.
i was trying to add something to help his tek
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EvilMushroom666 said: I tried to go over all the common questions, misconceptions and issues that arise for those new to cultivation. I hope it helps a lot of folks grow their first batch of edible or medicinal mushrooms 
if you read the bottom of my post where i apologize to 666 for my previous statement before writing your own tirade then you may understand where i was coming from. or maybe you are mad/stoned 2 da bone
my input was based on a few years of browsing this site and personal experience and the shitload of questions that are asked over and over again mainly due to noobs not using the search engine
i was merely trying to help
maybe this is instant karma
i put down his original post and acted like a douche
and in return
i have your doucheyness to thank
3. who gives a shit? well a sentence stating that a bic or butane lighter will work fine and that an alcohol burner is not necessary would answer that question for a noob that happens to say... watch RRs video where he uses an alcohol burner
4. 70% is better than 90% because it does not evaporate as fast. a noob should opt for the 70% over the 90%. 90% does not mean better. a noob in a store getting supplies may think that 90 is superior and a sentence explaining why it is not would help that dude out
6. a lot of noobs put the tinfoil back on the jars after inoculation. they just do. it happens all the fucking time
7. its not irrelevant. i put my jars in a drawer or keep them in a tote in the corner. a noob may think that having them on a shelf is a requirement based on the way it was written.
even though most people on this site want to kid themselves that the information here is going to be used for edibles most of us know that the majority of first time growers are looking to get a buzz. these people want to be incognito so clarification on where these jars can be stored is all i was pointing out here
10. i dont know how many bulbs you have purchased but a lot of them are advertised with the word "daylight" on them in large letters where you actually have to do a bit of digging to find 6500k. making this clear makes it easy for a noob to identify the correct bulb
12. how many totes have you purchased? im trying to help make it clear for noobs. because this question comes up a shitload on the forums. a colored lid isnt the end of the world. most light comes from the sides of the tote anyway so if a noob cant find a clear lid then it doesnt mean hes fucked. you may forget that a lot of the people on this site may not have a shitload of money to get started. if a guy has a tote around his house with a colored lid it may be mentioned that the shit will work and he can spend that 10 bucks he was going to spend on getting a clear lid tote on some other supply
17. again, this is a question that pretty much all 1st time growers have when harvest time comes. if you want to write a complete tek then why not add a section on how to pick the mushrooms and how to dry them? it wasnt me talking shit, just saying that a few sentences on drying could prevent some rotting mess for a noob and would wrap up his tek with a nice little bow
i am neither mad nor stoned
i stated my case in an earlier post that we did not really need another pf tek
i then realized that 666 was just trying to help so i figured id add my input on what i thought could be added to his tek to make it better
if he or you does not like my thoughts then its fine i could really give a shit
i have spent hundreds of hours on this website looking up and researching and wanted to offer an olive branch because of my previous negative post by helping to clarify things that may have been missed
if that gets your panties in a wad then maybe you should try "tripping shrooms/ getting stoned 2 da bone"
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Edited by ar1es (10/31/11 01:03 AM)
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
#15303048 - 10/31/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. which way to put the lids on the jars? rubber up or down - Added
2. which edibles work with pf tek - Already a few in my article. Basic search will reveal more information and grow logs.
3. advantages/disadvantages of a butane lighter vs alcohol burner vs bic - Added 4. why 70% iso vs 90% -
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70% is preferred, but it has nothing to do with rate of evaporation.
Cells admit water through their cell walls via osmosis. Cell walls are particularly good at preventing the entry of toxins, so by mixing water with the alcohol, it 'tricks' the cell wall into admitting the mixture, which then kills the cell as the alcohol evaporates back out.
I'm sure one of our resident chemists can put it in more scientific terms, but that's the jest of it. RR
5. turn off Air conditioning/fans before glovebox work -Added
6. make sure not to put tinfoil back on jars after inoculation - Added
7. your instructions say to put inoculated jars "on a shelf" not really necessary On a shelf, on a counter top, on a desk it is all the same thing and not that hard to figure out IMO
8. contamination you say that the cause can be linked to sterile procedure but should be mentioned that the syringe could be contam- Added
9. i would add not to open a contam jar for any reason inside the home even after PC- Added a section about NEVER opening a contaminated jar inside the home.
10. 6500k = labeled as "daylight" bulbs - Added
11. i would add a fan as an optional fruiting item, just something to move the air around the room, ceiling fan or whatever This from my experience will dry out your chamber and make you increase your misting schedule. It may work for you but not for me.
12. clear plastic tote- clear lid or colored lid?
13. perlite is pretty nasty stuff so a tip to open the bag outside and to spray lightly with water in the bag to reduce the dust may help - Added section on cutting down on dust.
14. i dont know if the max potency thing in regards to when to pick the mushrooms is correct, thought the jury was still out on that one
15. 100% colonization is another way to go in terms of waiting to birth your cakes. Saves you effort especially if you dont have time in the day to mist and fan. just wait until you see pins formin in jar then birth
16. how to pick the mushies should be touched on. some people twist, others cut - Added
17. u dont talk about storage/drying techniquesA quick form search will return methods and ideas in regards to drying and storing your fruits.
18 nothing on aborts and making sure to pick these badboys - Added
19 id also talk about the risk of keeping cakes in your FC too long and the inevitable funk that will start growing on the cakes when their time is done - Added
20. id mention the mushroom smell. it smells fantastic but it does smell so people doing this incognito style may want to take some remedies
21. also, what to do with your fc if there is a problem with contam on one of your cakes, how to clean it between grows - Added
I have added what I feel to be important factors that I have left out or skipped over to the main post. Some things you bring up I do not agree with and have not added them to the article . There are also a few things that I feel do not need to be covered as they are either common sense, or easy enough to find out about through the search bar. I appreciate the suggestions and the realization that perhaps you acted as an asshole in earlier posts.
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Hey EM, just a quick question about the jars you use in your initial post on this thread. I too live in Canada and was wondering: Can Bernardin jars be used successfully for PF-Tek? I bought a bunch of them when I was first getting into this hobby and never used them because of the angle of the glass. I have gone with whisky glasses with a verm/tinfoil barrier instead. I have had success avoiding contamination so far, but sure would like to skip the foil and go with jars with lids. Thanks.
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Jungg]
#15392390 - 11/19/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bernadine jars WILL work as long as you make sure they are WIDE MOUTH. They will say right on the box what they are, and I would recommend the stubby 1/2 wide mouth half pints.
The "normal" have pints that are not wide mouth appear like they will work, but they have a glass lip on the inside just below the threads that you can feel with your fingers. This can make cakes a royal pain to get out of the jars.
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great thread!!!!
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: realcarlos]
#15392743 - 11/19/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks EM. I love your other thread about Canadian resources for myco study - you've done a great job of providing useful info for us newer Canuckleheads, and the community as a whole.
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