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Weller
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: noobieshroomie] 1
#15228091 - 10/15/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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This should be compulsory reading for all new growers on this site. It would abolish a lot of the nonsense that gets posted every day.
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Guesstimate
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Weller]
#15228115 - 10/15/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow this guide is very very clear would reccomend it to any beginner or if you have forgotten to do something if bad growth was before
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Psuperdelic
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Guesstimate]
#15228412 - 10/15/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks Evil! Will come in handy for my upcoming growing debut
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Jitsu]
#15228850 - 10/15/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jitsu said: I like your write up! It's always nice to see folks enthusiastic about fungi!
However, I think you are a little off with the pinning triggers. It's totally ok for your cakes to be moist when initiating pinning. You don't want your cakes constantly dry...
Light should never be underestimated as a pinning trigger either. I think light is just as important as evaporation of moisture from the substrate as far as pinning triggers and fruit body development is concerned.
You can really see a difference if you test the conditions with an isolate culture under two separate light colors. That's why we use light in the 6000-7000k range.
Evaporation from the cakes surface is key, and no you do not want your cakes to be constantly dry, I do not think I said anything about that. However cakes will perform poorly if they are constantly wet and water logged from over misting say. That is what I meant by "constantly moist". You see some growers asking questions why their cakes will not pin and it is a result of them over misting and their cakes being constantly water logged.
I also did not try to convey that you can get away without proper light. You should always have a proper light in the correct range or at worst indirect sunlight. IMO it is at the bottom of the list of pinning triggers. Of course it is a pinning trigger that should not be over looked, hence why it is on the list, It will provide better pin sets and bigger healthier mushrooms.
I have changed the original tek to better convey my ideas because clearly there is a bit of confusion as to what I am trying to convey. Thanks for the constructive criticism.
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-Evaporation from the substrate Misting allows your cakes to absorb moisture into its vermiculite reservoir as well as replenishes the moisture to the perlite. After you mist the water will begin to evaporate off the surface of your cakes, this is a VERY important pinning trigger. If your cakes are constantly water logged and soaked/drenched with water chances are they will not pin, will perform poorly, or contaminate.
-Light Be it from a 6500K compact florescent or indirect sunlight make sure you have some form of suitable light for your chamber. You should have the light on a cycle of 12/12. You do not need the light to be directly against the chamber, but pointed at it a few feet away should do the trick. Proper lighting will help initiate a solid pin set as well as strong meaty mushrooms. IMO lighting is on the bottom of the list of pinning triggers, but something not to be ignored if you want a good harvest of beautiful fruits.
Edited by EvilMushroom666 (10/15/11 10:00 AM)
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LeopardMan
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I agree. IME too much water is the main cause of poor pinsets with cakes. Excellent write up
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: LeopardMan]
#15231767 - 10/15/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Many Thanks LM, that means a lot coming from someone who grows cakes as well as yourself
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ar1es
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another tek? saying the same thing that all the other teks already state about pf tek
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
#15232134 - 10/16/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I have gone over a lot of points and finer details that are often left out or skimmed over in other teks.
Not everyone learns the same and I hoped that by laying out my view and take on the classic BRF cakes that perhaps some people would get a better grasp of the procedures, methods and reasoning behind certain things.
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ar1es
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number 1 pinning trigger is 100% colonization not fae
i have unopened pf jars pin like shit when i forgot about them
they did not get any fae
you forgot that point
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: ar1es]
#15232180 - 10/16/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anything will pin if you forget about it in a jar. Poorly might I add. While your cakes may not have had any FAE, I am sure they had plenty of light along with high humidity inside the jars.
Full colonization, increase in FAE, high humidity, evaporation from the substrate and light are all pinning triggers that come into play. They are all important. If you want to get right technical the number one pinning trigger would be full colonization and consolidation...but that kind of goes without saying. Once fully colonized and consolidated FAE, high humidity, evaporation from the substrate and light are the main pinning triggers.
I have changed the wording either way, thanks for adding something of value to this thread.
Edited by EvilMushroom666 (10/16/11 01:32 AM)
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EvilMushroom666
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flameclown
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes *DELETED* [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15257186 - 10/21/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Post deleted by flameclownReason for deletion: [this post is damn old]
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igigi
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: flameclown]
#15257212 - 10/21/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly... that is a decent idea. Think about it: a vast majority of peeps getting into this hobby are going to go the pf tek route. It is easy to understand, follow, and is forgiving.
The number of outdated pf teks floating around this board is definitely something to scoff at.. and having this excellent, methodical, comprehensive thread pinned to the top might be a great idea!
Barring that.. +1 the OP, rack up that score!
... then again people would probably just ignore it after it's been pinned; a-la search function style
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Edited by igigi (10/21/11 02:30 PM)
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: igigi]
#15257509 - 10/21/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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No one reads stickies regardless, and not all that long ago RR and the other mods nuked all the stickies into the archive because they clutter up the front page and are an eye sore. I agree that it would help most people but I doubt it will happen.
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Wing
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+1 on the OP
Nice write up EM666! I just got around to commenting
Man it would be so nice to have a few of these grouped together in one post for the ones new to mycology and brf cakes. This one, shea's and RR's are a "must read" and would eliminate a lot of questions if they were followed.
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Doctor_Inoc
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Wing]
#15257704 - 10/21/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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EvilMushroom666 said: Anything will pin if you forget about it in a jar. Poorly might I add. While your cakes may not have had any FAE, I am sure they had plenty of light along with high humidity inside the jars.
Full colonization, increase in FAE, high humidity, evaporation from the substrate and light are all pinning triggers that come into play. They are all important. If you want to get right technical the number one pinning trigger would be full colonization and consolidation...but that kind of goes without saying. Once fully colonized and consolidated FAE, high humidity, evaporation from the substrate and light are the main pinning triggers.
I have changed the wording either way, thanks for adding something of value to this thread.
Agree with everything you posted here. Would just like to add that temperature is also a main/major pinning trigger.
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
#15257732 - 10/21/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please elaborate Doctor_Inoc and I will be sure to add it to the OP brother
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Masticore
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Forget about the sticky, I'm all for keeping those down as well. Some of the teks on the main page are old and outdated, there was a lot of talk about redoing it and it fell through because people get too busy. This and your write up about spawn bags are the kind of in-depth guides that should be under the Mushroom Cultivation links on the main page. You should see if you can get that set up.
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Edited by Masticore (10/21/11 05:23 PM)
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes [Re: Masticore]
#15258138 - 10/21/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps when I have some free time to organize it all. I still have the editing rights to the main page I do believe. Maybe later this winter I will see if the crew wants to take another crack at things and see if we can get it done or at least further the cause this time around.
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heresy
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Good job dude, i found this very informative and the attention to detail. i like hearing in detail the ways ppl do things, i like to absorb it all and go from there....
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