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Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths * 6
    #15217090 - 10/12/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Reply to this thread with a myth, the truth, and a source, and I will update the OP with it. Lets help spread the good knowledge by dispelling the bad information!

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Contaminates
Myth: You can tell if its a contam if you wipe a swab of cotton on it and color comes off.
Truth: blue bruising will rub-off as well *Source*

Myth: You can't eat mushrooms from a contaminated cake.
Truth: Yes you can. They don't bio-accumulate contaminates. Fruits should be dried or extracted to kill spores that have landed on them from the contaminated cakes. *Source*

Grow Teks
Myth: Casing is a complete grow tek. - (AA+ casing harvest + pics!)
Truth: A "casing layer" is just a small step in a bulk grow *Source*

Genetics
Myth: Pans are so much harder to grow then cubes!
Truth: They are just as easy as cubes! *Source*

Substrates
Myth: BRF is the best choice for pf-tek.
Truth: Its great, but Rice Bran will out perform it. *Source*

Myth: Growing from marijuana will make your shrooms taste like weed and contain THC.
Truth: Its a enormous money-pit of an idea, and makes for a very poor substrate, and the fruits will not take on any of the marijuana's properties. *Source*

Inoculation
Myth: Cakes need to be stored at 85F after inoculation
truth: mid seveties to low 80's is fine *Source*

Myth: Use isopropyl alcohol to sterilize your needles.
Truth: Isopropyl is a disenfectant, and is less powerful than flame sterilization. *Source 1 & 2*

Lighting
Myth: Colonize in a dark place.
Truth: Mycelium benefits from light during all stages. *Source*

Fruiting Chambers
Myth: If you don't have condensation/water droplets on your FC walls, humidity is not nigh enough.
Truth: Condensation is caused  more-so by different temperature inside your FC vs. outside FC. *Source*

Growing
Myth: Pins that fall off a cake are history.
Truth: Pins can be reattached by placing it snugly on mycelium. *Source*

Myth: Flip a cake over that has pins on the bottom side.
Truth: Leave it be, they will push the cake out of the way and grow without incident. *Source*

Harvesting
Myth: Twist and pull, or the stumps will rot and risk contamination!
Truth: Cut them and leave the stumps with a knife or scissors. They will not contam. *Source*

Storage

Prints/Syringes

Reproduction
Myth: I can slice up my spent cakes to inoculate new substrate.
Truth: It will contaminate, or not grow.  *Source*

Liquid Cultures

Edited by Munchauzen (07/09/16 08:20 AM)

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15217132 - 10/12/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

first i have heard of this cut at the base with a sharp knife. some seem to just fall of themselves though.


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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: dxharms]
    #15217173 - 10/13/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

-its ok to mist pins, no more fucking drip shields
-colonizing at room temp is just fine if not better,
-isopropyl alchohol is NOT a disenfectant
-a glovebox need only be cleaned with warm soapy water and left wet
-spraying oust in the air does just about nothing
-your body and air currents are the biggest sources of contaminants
sorry no sources yet, ill work on them tommorrow

edit:  munchauzen did you read my mind? I proposed a thread like this about an hour ago.  thanks for having more initiative than me, i probably never would have actually made it.

Edited by TheHistoryChannel (10/13/11 12:11 AM)

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: TheHistoryChannel]
    #15217232 - 10/13/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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TheHistoryChannel said:
munchauzen did you read my mind? I proposed a thread like this about an hour ago.  thanks for having more initiative than me, i probably never would have actually made it.




yessir! great idea man. All credits to you.

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15219529 - 10/13/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Myth: mushrooms use light as a source of energy.
Truth: some species require light to fruit, others are inhibited by it; mycelium by some species might grow faster in light, others are inhibited by it. There is however no evidence that mushrooms use light as a source of energy.

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Pinback]
    #15219563 - 10/13/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Pinback said:
Myth: mushrooms use light as a source of energy.
Truth: some species require light to fruit, others are inhibited by it; mycelium by some species might grow faster in light, others are inhibited by it. There is however no evidence that mushrooms use light as a source of energy.




awesome. got a source link for me for a relevant thread or book reference?

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15219626 - 10/13/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Obviously I cannot give references that there is no evidence :smirk: But for the others, I will get back to you later (send me a PM if I forget it).

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Pinback]
    #15220652 - 10/13/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

how about:

Myth: Cakes need to be stored at 85F after inoculation
truth: mid seveties to low 80's is fine

source (one of many I'm sure) http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15180177#15180177

here's another

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7725027#7725027
(although this just says normal room temperature, which isn't as direct as saying 75f)

perhaps this is more conclusive:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7104691#7104691


haha it's a fooking task! :smile:


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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: keeno] * 1
    #15221090 - 10/13/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Myth: If you don't have condensation/water droplets on your FC walls, humidity is not nigh enough.
Truth: Condensation has NOTHING to do with humidity. Condensation is caused by different temperature inside your FC vs. outside FC.
Source: the laws of physics.


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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: SKrink]
    #15221347 - 10/13/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SKrink said:
Myth: If you don't have condensation/water droplets on your FC walls, humidity is not nigh enough.
Truth: Condensation has NOTHING to do with humidity. Condensation is caused by different temperature inside your FC vs. outside FC.
Source: the laws of physics.



:werd:
Myth: condensation indicates high humidity in my fc
Truth: same as above

I love seeing newbs freak out on people cause "theres condensation on the walls of my improperly built sgfc so it obviously has perfect rh" haha


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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: SKrink]
    #15222026 - 10/13/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SKrink said:
Myth: If you don't have condensation/water droplets on your FC walls, humidity is not nigh enough.
Truth: Condensation has NOTHING to do with humidity. Condensation is caused by different temperature inside your FC vs. outside FC.
Source: the laws of physics.




good stuff man, added it!

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: dxharms]
    #15222437 - 10/13/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i saw a recent post from rr saying to cut instead of twist and pull

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: SKrink]
    #15222844 - 10/13/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

SKrink said:
Truth: Condensation has NOTHING to do with humidity. Condensation is caused by different temperature inside your FC vs. outside FC.
Source: the laws of physics.




This is of course not true - condensation depends on both humidity and a temperature difference. But I agree that your myth is a myth...

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Pinback] * 1
    #15223715 - 10/14/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

how about:


Myth: it's worthwhile posting a picture that is so out of focus as to become a piece of abstract expressionism
Fact: learn to use your camera a bit better. even crap ones will have a point where they are in focus. yes, even your shit mobile phone, fuck I was taking half decent pics with mine in 2005. 
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(sorry, I know this isn't the spot for pet peeves, but it just bugs me, and my fingers have woken up with verbal diarrhoea today. and I just spent 20 minutes trying to find a good picture but of course, just to prove I was being a dick, this was the best one I could find haha
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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Pinback]
    #15223967 - 10/14/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Pinback said:
Quote:

SKrink said:
Truth: Condensation has NOTHING to do with humidity. Condensation is caused by different temperature inside your FC vs. outside FC.
Source: the laws of physics.




This is of course not true - condensation depends on both humidity and a temperature difference. But I agree that your myth is a myth...





Exactly.  To say condensation has nothing to do with RH is a downright lie.


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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: dtowntoker] * 1
    #15224260 - 10/14/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

dtowntoker said:
Quote:

Pinback said:
Quote:

SKrink said:
Truth: Condensation has NOTHING to do with humidity. Condensation is caused by different temperature inside your FC vs. outside FC.
Source: the laws of physics.




This is of course not true - condensation depends on both humidity and a temperature difference. But I agree that your myth is a myth...





Exactly.  To say condensation has nothing to do with RH is a downright lie.




OK I updated the OP to say something a bit different. Hows it look now guys? I want this list to be as accurate as possible, so please provide sources from threads with preferably Trusted Cultivators, or some scholarly journal. This isn't a thread for theory-crafting.

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15224286 - 10/14/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Basically temperature differential is extremely important to the formation of drops on the inside of an FC.  When the hot air touches the cool plastic, drops forms.  However, without any humidity, no droplets would form no matter what the temperature differential is.  Dew points, relative humidity and temperature are all factors in play.


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    #15224310 - 10/14/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: Munchauzen]
    #15224347 - 10/14/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:
Quote:

dtowntoker said:
Quote:

Pinback said:
Quote:

SKrink said:
Truth: Condensation has NOTHING to do with humidity. Condensation is caused by different temperature inside your FC vs. outside FC.
Source: the laws of physics.




This is of course not true - condensation depends on both humidity and a temperature difference. But I agree that your myth is a myth...





Exactly.  To say condensation has nothing to do with RH is a downright lie.




OK I updated the OP to say something a bit different. Hows it look now guys? I want this list to be as accurate as possible, so please provide sources from threads with preferably Trusted Cultivators, or some scholarly journal. This isn't a thread for theory-crafting.





They are only related in so much that there must be some moisture in the air to create condensation; but that is it...  There are methods used in the desert, where RH is less than 10%, to extract moisture from the air...  Has to do with "thermal dynamics".  As a general rule; the hotter the ambient temperature, the more moisture it can hold...  Likewise; in sub-freezing temperatures the air is virtually void of moisture...

...Just for clarification :smile:


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Re: Mushipedia - Dispelling the Myths [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #15224353 - 10/14/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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