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some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation
#15216801 - 10/12/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm building a server. some stuff arrived already. not everything. had pictures, deleted them. the tower even bare is quite beautiful, it's a monster, but thin enough. with price of windows server 2008 the cost is total $1450, however I just received an email saying that more billing verification is needed, which is frustrating, you verify your social, the damn card number, now what do they want, you medical records? I could order it from somewhere else but considering the expensive of using it I'm really considering canceling the server 2008 r2 order instead of reverifying it and using ubuntu or debian as a linux server. I hear it can still run mail exchange, share point, other windows web applications etc. etc.
SUPERMICRO H8QME-2 - Motherboard - Socket F - 4 CPUs supported - nForce Pro 3600 - 2 x Gigabit Ethernet - onboard graphics. Server board. Two Opteron 2216 Dc Socket F 1207 2.4G 2X1MB 95W 1000MHZ Wof processors. Two sets of PNY OPTIMA 4GB (2x2GB) Dual Channel DDR2 667 MHz PC2-5300 Desktop DIMM Memory Modules MD4096KD2-667 making maximum of 8 gigs ram so far. Coolmax 700W 120mm Blue LED Fan Power Supply CL-700B (Black). Western Digital 1 TB Caviar Green SATA II 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive WD10EARS.
reason for edit? Thread is already majorly boring, already with remarks about failure and info to reason that no one would ever use a server with more then a single socket processor in a server, etc. etc. etc. all networks function like one network how can they differ etc. etc. also I never posted entire spec of full purchased hardware, only what has arrived, and yet capacity is minimal, etc. etc. 
anyway screw it, those opterons have been cheap lately, for another $60-80 I can get a third processor and heat sink. I may be a little fuzzy, but I was under the impression more processors were better then less processors. is two good but three bad?
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Edited by imachavel (10/13/11 11:07 AM)
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: imachavel]
#15216867 - 10/12/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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jesus christ.. how much did you spend on that setup? what are you planning on doing with it?
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: frith]
#15216944 - 10/12/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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actually without the main board and operating system, not too much. $408 to be exact if I'm not mistaken. most parts were cheap. problem is
main board = $650 windows server 2008 r2 = $450
so total def over a grand. originally I knew someone who owns a forwarding company, which is, well a forwarding company. they help a shipping company connect with a company that buys products to sell in warehouse/store you name it. actually, I believe the forwarding company does ALL the shipping.
anyway, this guy who owns this somewhat smaller forwarding company(they might do a bit close to a million every year or so, but they only ship, not sell), wanted a file server, and I have a friend that knows a bit about dhcp, routers, pc's in an office, cat cable, was going to help me set it up so I could make a sale and learn a few things as well. I guess he would charge for the install. now this guy is saying he might not need a file server 
anyway whatever I'll sell it one way or another. except more problems, windows server 2008 r2 didn't arrive, and I got an email saying I need to verify the billing information or it won't arrive. I'm almost thinking about canceling server 2008 r2, and seeing if I can sell the thing and install ubuntu and set up dhcp with it. of course server 2008 is SO popular, and although unix os is a HUGE back end server in the huge world, in the small world not many people trust it. it's great for reliability, but people always doubt it's compatibility.
anyway that would drop $400 from my bill to cancel the order of windows server 2008 r2. oh well, I just need to chill out, take it on step at a time. one piece at a time, on grain of sand on the beach at a time. rushing and cramming won't get me anywhere. I'll figure it out, I guess the real world is PACKED with people who cancel on things. oh well good experience.
btw shrooms? 
although yeah I guess I'm sketched. honestly I wish I was on shrooms. fuck what a funny idea, next time I'm tripping balls face, I should take a hilarious picture, and post it in the pub.
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: imachavel]
#15217086 - 10/12/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok so..
mobo = $650 other hardware = $400 windows = $450
You're spending $1500 on that machine? Wow.. just wow. I've got no words..
I'll put this into perspective. My server is used every day by (on average) about 20 people using Windows, Mac, Linux, and BSD. This one machine manages web, file, print, chat, bittorrent (which obviously has a lot more active connections than the 20 I know about), some basic email, and a few other small apps. Load runs under 1.
Mobo/CPU combo = $200 Hard drives (x4) = $360 Case = $80
$640 total if you wanted to buy all at once.
For less than half what you put into that thing, I am getting newer hardware (the 2216 Opteron came out 5 years ago), better power management, quieter machine, with eight times the storage capacity. And arguably a more flexible server considering I don't run Windows.
I'd be pissed if I owned a business and I spent $1500 on a 5 year old server.
Edit: Forgot RAM.. Throw another $20 on my total.
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: frith]
#15217355 - 10/13/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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seriously? one quad core runs better then two dual cores? what server do you run if you don't run windows anyway?
dude are you serious? that link lead to a dual core 1.6 ghz processor. that is better then two 2.4 ghz dual core processors? unbelievable. seriously unbelievable. before I swallow that, please explain that:
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: imachavel]
#15217531 - 10/13/11 01:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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What you're missing here imachavel, is the simple fact that in 99% of the server configurations, the CPU is not really an issue. Practically any CPU will do for stuff like running a file server, email server, bittorrent machine, and misc web applications. All those things are not CPU intensive. In the years that I sold networks, I've never come across a situation in which there was a particular need for much CPU power. NOt to say that those situations don't exist; they're just very, very scarce.
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: imachavel]
#15218017 - 10/13/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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imachavel, please edit your original post to include a brief summary or what this thread is about, i.e. what your discussion/question is concerning, so that people have some idea what your talking about when reading your thread.
As it is now, they see a mash of hardware terms and then some complaint about how boring the thread is, and its difficult to understand what the thread or the replies are in regards to.
Thanks
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: johnm214] 1
#15218112 - 10/13/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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so that people have some idea what your talking about when reading your thread
'tis asking a lot
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: imachavel]
#15218569 - 10/13/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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imachavel said: seriously? one quad core runs better then two dual cores? what server do you run if you don't run windows anyway?
dude are you serious? that link lead to a dual core 1.6 ghz processor. that is better then two 2.4 ghz dual core processors? unbelievable. seriously unbelievable. before I swallow that, please explain that:
Its not about which is faster, its about which is the right choice for the situation at hand. You have to consider cost for both the machine itself and operational (power consumption mostly) vs performance needed.
The CPUs you picked are old and (comparatively) slow. Using two of them just means you are consuming more power to do the same job one more efficient machine can do.
I am a sys admin for a webhosting company. We have thousands of servers. There are very very few people who actually need 4gb of ram and a multiple CPU configuration. Those that do need it get tens of thousands of hits per day. I highly doubt you need that. The majority of people have more than enough power in a virtualized environment with up to 35 other servers on the hardware node and 1gb of ram allocated to each server.
Also, $650 for a mobo is fucking insanity. Don't be stupid. Return that.
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Re: some unfun server activity. unfun web cam documentation [Re: frith]
#15218862 - 10/13/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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well you all seem to be on point. I guess I just got hyped up by the idea of virtualization. this pc has a dual core processor and 4 gigs of ram, and windows xp is virtualized running as guest. and believe me, even with 1 gig ram assigned, it slows down as though it has only 512 mb ram assigned.
I have been very hyped by people explaining, that good replication, and using high amounts of virtualized hypervisors needs high end processing power and ram. Well, I'll highly consider then going cheaper. what is considered a good server board, but adequate these days? I ordered a raid controller, I wanted to give a crack at mirroring and striping. anyway, with the setup I have now, at least if I wanted to use an additional machine, I could probably build something really cheap, with maybe 1.5 gigs ram, smaller hdd, etc. yes, this one machine will be consuming quite a bit of power already
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