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OfflineKahTahToe
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Credentials needed to make LSD
    #15206341 - 10/10/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I don't want to pursue a career that involves making LSD I'm just curious. I'm very interested in Chemistry and already has plans to master in chemistry. Is that all it would take. Again, Just curious.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: KahTahToe]
    #15206356 - 10/10/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Organic Chemistry would help..... oh yeah you also would need tons of people on the in who could get you all the watched precursors. Maybe double major in plant sciences so you can produce your own ergot.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: JimLahey]
    #15206361 - 10/10/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: tehdancingbear]
    #15206442 - 10/10/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Cmon now, david nichols, the worlds LSD expert, runs the chemistry labs at Purdue university, and they are doing research on actives all the time now. I am sure there are at least a FEW university labs that you could lift precursors from :rolleyes: it is well within the realm of reality



I have a great friend who I would consider a chemistry guru...he works with "the" major organic chemist for the university that I attend. I pulled up TIHKAL one day and put the synthesis for LSD up on the screen, and I was amazed and shocked when he told me what a simple procedure it was. He even commented that he could yoink 90% of what he needed right out of his own drawer in the labs. He was convinced after reading it through once that he could do it. I wish he would :evil2:


Get studyin' brotha :wink:

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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #15206446 - 10/10/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

it just is a sketchy organization man


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: tehdancingbear]
    #15206489 - 10/10/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It's a noble pursuit...it does so many so much good. Keep in mind, this pursuit has also cost people their freedom.

May the force be with you. :smile:


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #15206504 - 10/10/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Cmon now, david nichols, the worlds LSD expert, runs the chemistry labs at Purdue university, and they are doing research on actives all the time now. I am sure there are at least a FEW university labs that you could lift precursors from :rolleyes: it is well within the realm of reality



I have a great friend who I would consider a chemistry guru...he works with "the" major organic chemist for the university that I attend. I pulled up TIHKAL one day and put the synthesis for LSD up on the screen, and I was amazed and shocked when he told me what a simple procedure it was. He even commented that he could yoink 90% of what he needed right out of his own drawer in the labs. He was convinced after reading it through once that he could do it. I wish he would :evil2:


Get studyin' brotha :wink:

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I think that last 10% might be the tough part.

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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: KahTahToe]
    #15207095 - 10/10/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Credentials needed to make LSD?
None.

Some of the most prolific chemists were never formally trained in Chemistry--think Stanley 'Bear' Owsley.

After doing it with someone a few times with a mentor, someone who was relatively proficient with their hands and had good attention to detail given the precusors and equipment could do it on their own.

Starting from scratch, an undergraduate with significant (i.e. a few years) organic research lab experience plus a summer or two in industry or doing prep-scale work would be well set to tackle synthesis of LSD--not to mention many other compounds and possibly novel compounds--on their own assuming they could obtain precursors easily


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: naum]
    #15207219 - 10/10/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure you need a DEA license to get Lysergic Acid, I believe that you cannot get Lysergic Acid without a DEA license.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: naum]
    #15207226 - 10/10/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I guess it could be like Walter White and Jesse Pinkman.



Also, you can synth your own Lysergic Acid I am sure.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: ArtieFartie]
    #15207240 - 10/10/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

haha most drugs are like this.

it's easy to get all of the precursors.

except one.
that is damn near impossible.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: JimLahey]
    #15207249 - 10/10/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If this guy really would like to play around, here's Alexander Shulgin's method of Synthesizing LSD-25

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: NWlight]
    #15207281 - 10/10/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It's one thing to have connections to sheets and stuff but these cats at the gangster level doing meetings over kilo's of ET...  How does that ever even happen?  Like, if someone's really going to be trying to make that shit, they don't normally tell people right?  Well you have to be talking to just end up finding a dude who's got connects for that kind of thing.

Strange business man.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: Shpongle1]
    #15207588 - 10/10/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You don't really need an education. Just equipment. Also, to all of those who say how hard the chemicals are to get: The two most needed chemicals (in peptide coupling synthesis) are diethylamine and lysergic acid.

Diethylamine: reflux DEET bug repellent with NaOH

Lysergic Acid: Plenty of prescription meds have it (e.g. Cafergot) which you could get from international companies without a prescription.

Really doesn't take much education either. You might get worse yields if you are just "cooking," but you'd still get them.

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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: Shpongle1]
    #15207590 - 10/10/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The procedure isn't really that complicated. A competent chemist would have no trouble at all. Now if you've got some great friends in China, then you're all set.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #15208006 - 10/11/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

An undergraduate degree in Chemistry should be sufficient.  This will gain you knowledge of all equipment used in drug production and refinement.  Plus, a degree in Chemistry will make you very marketable should you decide to join the mainstream, and should you tire of giving your friends cool research drugs (which you will, eventually).

Note that this path is not for dummies.  Chemistry is no joke, which is why chemists get paid so much by Big Pharma.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: naum]
    #15208044 - 10/11/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Some of the most prolific chemists were never formally trained in Chemistry--think Stanley 'Bear' Owsley.

After doing it with someone a few times with a mentor, someone who was relatively proficient with their hands and had good attention to detail given the precusors and equipment could do it on their own.

Starting from scratch, an undergraduate with significant (i.e. a few years) organic research lab experience plus a summer or two in industry or doing prep-scale work would be well set to tackle synthesis of LSD--not to mention many other compounds and possibly novel compounds--on their own assuming they could obtain precursors easily




thats a cool answer man.. but anyways from experience it seems like.

start with the experiments, like NN, fungis, mdma/mda i mean i hope you have if you're going to create something so complex, if you can do that your pretty much just won that 1 and 1 million cool thing... genius.


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: tehdancingbear]
    #15208064 - 10/11/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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naum said:
Some of the most prolific chemists were never formally trained in Chemistry--think Stanley 'Bear' Owsley.

After doing it with someone a few times with a mentor, someone who was relatively proficient with their hands and had good attention to detail given the precusors and equipment could do it on their own.

Starting from scratch, an undergraduate with significant (i.e. a few years) organic research lab experience plus a summer or two in industry or doing prep-scale work would be well set to tackle synthesis of LSD--not to mention many other compounds and possibly novel compounds--on their own assuming they could obtain precursors easily




thats a cool answer man.. but anyways from experience it seems like.

start with the experiments, like NN, fungis, mdma/mda i mean i hope you have if you're going to create something so complex, if you can do that your pretty much just won that 1 and 1 million cool thing... genius.



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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: NWlight]
    #15208070 - 10/11/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

wow, you really think?


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Re: Credentials needed to make LSD [Re: tehdancingbear]
    #15208116 - 10/11/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

are you going to tell me why other than punctuation?


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