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Re: WBS moisture content [Re: Viruk]
    #15205115 - 10/10/11 12:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

We don't simmer, we Boil the grains.
It helps kill the endospores that have germinated during the soak, also.

to each their own.


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Re: WBS moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #15205359 - 10/10/11 01:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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TranscendingLife said:
We don't simmer, we Boil the grains.
It helps kill the endospores that have germinated during the soak, also.

to each their own.




Why do you keep saying this?  "We don't simmer, we boil grains."

No, that's what you do.  I like to simmer.

Boiling ain't gonna do anything that the PC won't.


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Re: WBS moisture content [Re: asdfasdf]
    #15205396 - 10/10/11 01:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I say "we" as the collective or royal "we."
Simmering is pointless.
PCing does NOT kill all the bacteria in the grains.
We're just giving the mushis a better chance @ colonizing the grains.

Boiling, also, helps add a little moisture @ the end of the soak.


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Re: WBS moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #15205519 - 10/10/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I say "we" as the collective or royal "we."
Simmering is pointless.
PCing does NOT kill all the bacteria in the grains.
We're just giving the mushis a better chance @ colonizing the grains.

Boiling, also, helps add a little moisture @ the end of the soak.




No I understand what you mean by "we".

But saying it that way makes it sound like that's the only way to do it, and that it's the only way it's done, which is untrue.

I know PCing doesn't completely sterilize, but I cant imagine that adding an extra few minutes of 212 degrees is going to do much of anything when were already heating the jars to 250 degrees for 90 minutes, you know?  Is that little extra bit really gonna help?  I mean, plenty of people don't simmer or boil, just soak and PC.  Are they doing it wrong?  Is Agar doing it wrong?

In your tek you say you take it off the heat AS SOON as it hits boiling temps, so if just PCing kills 95% of bacteria, what does your tek do?  Kill 95.0001 percent?  It's unnecessary.

Simmering will add moisture just as well as boiling, it just takes longer, which is exactly why I prefer it.  Every time I've boiled, I get too many burst grains.  It happens too fast.


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Re: WBS moisture content [Re: asdfasdf]
    #15205583 - 10/10/11 02:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It's not the ONLY way to do it, but it's the most beneficial way of doing it.
Hell, it takes 30-40 minutes for me to bring a pot of WBS to a boil (14 quart jars worth).
I couldn't imagine how long it take for you to simmer that much WBS.

Yes, I dump as soon as it hits boiling. I've found for WBS that if you don't dump immediately, you'll have more than 5% burst kernels.

To each their own.

I specify the difference between Boil & Simmer, because a lot of people misunderstand or interpret that simmer does not = boil.
I say Boil to make sure that people understand I mean BOIL not simmer.


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Re: WBS moisture content [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #15206173 - 10/10/11 04:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ya 14quarts of WBS I would definitely not simmer, or boil. I might pressure cook it an extra 10 minutes, but boiling that much is a ridiculous waste of time.
The reason to simmer, or boil, is to cause the grain to expand from the heat, sucking water in during the process. You can also turn it to mush during this process.
And a simmer, is a slow boil, so if simmer is pointless, so is boiling.
Also endospores will not die in boiling water, they barely die in the pressure cooker, you may however be promoting the growth of endospores as they're more readily formed when the bacteria is put into a harsh environment.

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Re: WBS moisture content [Re: Viruk]
    #15206242 - 10/10/11 04:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

TL may be referring to the AMU "we", as he can and they know their stuff.

...or he might have meant him and me, as I do pretty much the same.

I suppose that the simmer/boil can be defended even if all it does is
support the "steam dry" tek that follows.

I do the 24 hour soak + heat-to-boil-then-simmer + strain and fan dry + PC for 90 mins

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