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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Cups]
    #15200087 - 10/09/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The devils have faces that contain the opposite color, so it's natural to see them first.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Kickle]
    #15200098 - 10/09/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Kickle said:
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Sly Stone said:
Peoples are used to reading black print on white paper. That is why I saw the black objects first.




Do you have any trouble reading the white print of the shroomery? At first? I didn't :shrug:




I don't like the white text on a dark background but I can read it.

I think that after reading so many books and papers my brain tries to
process it as black information on a white background first.

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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Sly Stone]
    #15200102 - 10/09/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

huh I don't have any conflict reading it. It's just as natural as black on white for me :shrug:


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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Kickle]
    #15200144 - 10/09/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Kickle said:
Link to the talk?
I've seen this Escher drawing several times before so I was biased from the get go






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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Kickle]
    #15200158 - 10/09/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Kickle said:
huh I don't have any conflict reading it. It's just as natural as black on white for me :shrug:




US Gov website usability guidlines
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When compared to reading light text on a dark background, people read black text on a white background up to thirty-two percent faster.




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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Sly Stone]
    #15200221 - 10/09/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Cool :thumbup:

I've been going through the sources for that though and I have no idea where they found the info the claim. So far it has been about the segregation hypothesis which is about distractions. The more distractions there are the worse our performance. And those distractions have all been combined not individually analyzed. And every study so far has been government sponsored obviously and so they are looking at distractions for air force pilots and such.

here was a source for the black text on plain high contrast backgrounds. None of the experiments in this article include that examination :shrug:

http://www.distancelearningcentre.com/access/materials/cog_psych/Treisman_%281990%29_conjunction_search_revisited.pdf

I'll continue my reading...


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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Kickle]
    #15200322 - 10/09/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Here's another of the cited sources that I was able to find the study for:

http://www.laurenscharff.com/research/spie99.html

They used black text on all the different background colors. Of course black text on a dark blue background is going to be harder to read. The findings actually suggest that it is contrast that is important. So a light colored text on a dark background with similar contrast to a dark colored text on a light background should read similarly.


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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Kickle]
    #15200351 - 10/09/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think it depends on which eye is your primary eye.  That's what I think.  I do.


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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Kickle]
    #15200365 - 10/09/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Another couple abstracts for the researchers listed in support of "black text on plain high contrast background" that suggest nothing about that claim...

http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?id=51395

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7179744

This has been weird to search through :lol:

And the coolest thing i've found to read so far: http://www.psych.utoronto.ca/users/muter/pmuter2.htm

"These experiments demonstrate that reading from computer screens that are readily available in 1991 can be equivalent in speed and comprehension to reading from a book. The paperless office may be imminent after all. The increase in reading speed in comparison to earlier research may be attributable to the quality of the screen and the clarity of the characters. The advancements in computer technology, for example in resolution, and clearer and more varied fonts, have increased the legibility of the screen and allowed for more flexibility in textual presentation of information. Negative contrast capability (dark characters on a light background) increases the risk of the perception of flicker, but the flicker problem can be solved with a high refresh rate. Negative contrast reduces optical distortions, and increases acuity, contrast sensitivity, speed of accommodation, and depth of field (Bauer and Cavonius 1983; but see Taylor and Rupp 1987). It also decreases the problem of interfering reflections of external light (Bauer 1987)."

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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Humility]
    #15201034 - 10/09/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Humility said:


They stick out more though, more contrast between the black of their body and white of their eyes and mouths than the angels which at the most have thin black lines to draw out their shapes.


Flawed.



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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Cups]
    #15202533 - 10/09/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Kickle said:
Link to the talk?
I've seen this Escher drawing several times before so I was biased from the get go









What do you think of his conclusions?


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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Freedom]
    #15202673 - 10/09/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Freedom said:
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They stick out more though, more contrast between the black of their body and white of their eyes and mouths than the angels which at the most have thin black lines to draw out their shapes.


Flawed.







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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: the human abstract]
    #15202898 - 10/09/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

also the demon bat is on the right side. this is the side that most people naturally preference, not just with a hand but when meeting forks in the road people will even but piles of bad things on the left (sinister) side and good things on the right

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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: AnonO]
    #15202900 - 10/09/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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AnonO said:
i saw bats :shrug:

but since i saw the black parts which are apparently devils that must mean im evil. which is spot on.



This.


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Re: Gentlemen, Lend Me Your Eyes [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15204497 - 10/10/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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i saw bats :shrug:






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