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HHO gas: time + money = nothing
#15202875 - 10/09/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm really just venting here, I hate the smugness of these assholes and their youtube videos "here we are... uhhh... heating water with water... I know it sounds like a contradiction but here it is" just... argggg... why are there so many of them?
Its only fitting that the best way to explain the thermodynamic equivalent of this to them is
"the electrolysis is you digging the hole, and the combustion is you filling it back in... and then theres all the effort it takes to do both and how it always seems to take more dirt to fill it in than came out? that's what you're doing here"
I hate these electrolysis-loving know-nothing know-it-alls.
I know this has been discussed here, but damn if this isn't just antiscience I dont know what is
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Heruuka]
#15203575 - 10/10/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The alternator uses a belt which spins by the combustion. The alternator produces electricity which is ran through water, separating H's and O's into gases. (the plasma between the positive and negative plates separates the elements)
The hydrogen is ignited with a spark in the presence of more oxygen and hydrocarbons (gas). Then it's emitted as exhaust.
The water needs to be replenished but the combustion is what produces the spark in the water jar, thereby separating the molecules (which need to be replenished with more water), which are burned with the gas. In a big cycle.
But the alternator's what makes the spark, in a car.
I assume this is what you mean? To supplement the fuel in a carburetor-utilizing automobile with electrolyzed water?
If not, correct me.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Tri High]
#15203679 - 10/10/11 02:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The only way it could possibly work would be if the Hydrogen were causing the gasoline to combust more efficiently, somehow.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#15204022 - 10/10/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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> The only way it could possibly work would be if the Hydrogen were causing the gasoline to combust more efficiently, somehow.
That is the general claim once you get rid of all the arm waving Brown's Gas nutjobs.
> I hate these electrolysis-loving know-nothing know-it-alls.
There are several groups. One group is like Al Gore, out to make money off the stupidity of others by selling snake oil. In this case it is a magical gas (Brown's Gas or HHO).
There is another group that want to believe in the magical gas. Although they have no formal training in science, they are damned determined to "prove" the marketing hype given by the 'Al Gore' group. These are the Brown's Gas Disciples that, when not playing with their magnets, post endless videos on youtube about the powers of HHO, alien technology, and government conspiracies.
A third group are people that don't believe in the snake oil mubo jumbo, but put out fake videos to taught the group above. Like a cat with a string, these people create videos that "prove" the snake oil works. The second group then spend countless hours trying to replicate the various techniques.
Rather than hate, simply join the third group. It is a lot of fun to sit back and watch hundreds of boneheads trying to replicate some system you vaguely describe, but clearly demonstrate, in your video.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Seuss]
#15204557 - 10/10/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: ChuangTzu]
#15204624 - 10/10/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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use less gas by supplementing the missing gas with "HHO gas".
So sending electric current through water, between conducting plates, thereby creating plasma, will not turn H20 into H+H+O?
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Tri High]
#15205691 - 10/10/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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> So sending electric current through water, between conducting plates, thereby creating plasma, will not turn H20 into H+H+O?
If I am being pedantic, no.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Seuss]
#15206499 - 10/10/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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PEDANTIC! That's what prisoner 1 is!
Thanks babe 
Did you come for homecoming?
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Tri High]
#15206642 - 10/10/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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pedantic: overly concerned with minute details
The minute details of your statement are erroneous, but the general gist of what you are trying to say is more or less correct... minus the BS about homecoming and Pris#1.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Seuss]
#15209383 - 10/11/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You don't remember us talking from a good long while ago?
anyway, I guess you didn't make it...
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Tri High]
#15210265 - 10/11/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I really like that idea! I'm gonna get working on my own free-energy browns gas video. I've been looking for an excuse to build an H2 generator anyways... maybe the missing link is 'ionizing' the two gases separately before combustion? those people love talk about 'ions', probably can even get them going about "chem-trails" haha
Side note - anyone have an idea what pressure is required to inflate a balloon?
At least you can give them that- they've thought of lots of good and cheap (and some $$$$) H2 O2 generators
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Heruuka]
#15210347 - 10/11/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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depends to what pressure you want to inflate the balloon. equilibrium and such.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Heruuka] 1
#15210716 - 10/11/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heruuka said: Side note - anyone have an idea what pressure is required to inflate a balloon?
At least 14.7psia.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: ChuangTzu]
#15212538 - 10/12/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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> At least 14.7psia. 
Not if I am being pedantic.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Heruuka]
#15213465 - 10/12/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's a video there of a guy who claims to heat water for his house "using no fuel". He uses a tank of propane instead of fuel. 
I don't know what's more depressing, the guy's claim or all the supportive responses telling him to stick it to the big bad boggy man at the oil company and to watch his back because "they" will suppress his invention even as it gets broadcast around the world by YouTube.
And of course, he moderates responses, so if you try to post a reply explaining that propane is fuel, he rejects it and no one ever sees it.
Humans are doomed.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Diploid]
#15216169 - 10/12/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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> Humans are doomed.
Only the bottom half, hopefully.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Heruuka]
#15223511 - 10/14/11 03:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Heruuka said:
Side note - anyone have an idea what pressure is required to inflate a balloon?
Funny story; I had to do this for a hydrogen powered Lego car once. I used the baloon as a gas tank/pressure regulator.
I found that the long skinny balloons held a steady 1psi at most volumes, with the pressure being higher at both ends (nearly fully inflated, and nearly fully deflated. The round balloons had a much higher starting pressure. You've probably noticed it's easier to inflate a round balloon after you "get it started". The pressure is higher at this point whether the balloon is currently being inflated or deflated.
Balloons can be nested (put inside each other), and the psi increases linearly. You can test your balloons the same way I did by building a simple manometer from a bottle and some tubing, and measuring the height of the water.
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Seuss]
#15223517 - 10/14/11 03:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > Humans are doomed.
Only the bottom half, hopefully.
When you were growing up, did you have any contact with "poor kids" other than the ones that beat you up after school?
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#15223591 - 10/14/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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> When you were growing up, did you have any contact with "poor kids" other than the ones that beat you up after school?
Not much contact with kids, no. For the most part, I hung out with a group of audiophiles designing and building vacuum tube amps. I also worked as a librarian in the winter and as a lifeguard in the summer, volunteered for the Red Cross (teaching swimming, lifeguards, CPR, and first aid. I also helped with the EMT class and tutored people in nursing school), had a black belt in martial arts (chung do kwan taekwondo), and was am ametuer Thai boxer. I certainly didn't get beat up after school. Although I wasn't very social with my peers, I even had a girlfriend. And this one time, at band camp...
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Re: HHO gas: time + money = nothing [Re: ChuangTzu]
#15230393 - 10/15/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: I joined the 4th group.
You've done this a couple times recently, linking sites with "HTTP://HTTP://"
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