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Invisiblejohnm214
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Re: saturns bloody hexagon [Re: Noteworthy]
    #15210284 - 10/11/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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those fuckin popscience writers represent science, though, and are the source for most people's views on science. So it also frustrates me when i get told that science is actually much more than that. This is because the role of science in society is not the same as the mission statement of scientists. Although scientists might believe they are doing something, their role in society is modulated by the way that the information reaches people and affects their beliefs.




k, so what?  This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the validity of the study in question nor the role of science. 

Yeah, it sucks that people misrepresent scientific works, but I find it hard to say that has a lot to do with science, other than the act that reporters either don't understand or are presuming their readers are too ignorant to understand.

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People think science gives them the right to say that intelligent design is bogus, for example, when actually it just says that the bible story is bogus.




People think a lot of things that aren't true, whether science justifies that belief or not is kinda moot to this discussion as far as I can tell.

Intelligent Design is such a nonentity that it is hard to say whether science says it is or isn't true.  Its certainly crap, but its hard to judge things like I.D. on their scientific merits because they aren't really scientific questions.  This is percisely why I.D. is crap: it generally doesn't include any particular valid hypothesises that yield predictions which might be tested, falsified, and so forth.

The equivocations of the I.D. crowd are endless, however; so its impossible to really say what I.D. is other than a diffuse body of claims linked by a claim that some intelligent being created terrestrial (all?) life.

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fuckin popscience writers

yall motherfucking lying and gettin me pissed




Basically.

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Re: saturns bloody hexagon [Re: johnm214]
    #15210551 - 10/11/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Intelligent Design is such a nonentity that it is hard to say whether science says it is or isn't true.  Its certainly crap, but its hard to judge things like I.D. on their scientific merits because they aren't really scientific questions.  This is percisely why I.D. is crap: it generally doesn't include any particular valid hypothesises that yield predictions which might be tested, falsified, and so forth.





Yep, it's "not even wrong".

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Re: saturns bloody hexagon [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #15211304 - 10/11/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

its crap... to the scientist. obviosuly because the scientist is trying to prove something. Why would everything be provable? Theres no reason to think that, we simply relish in what proofs/suggestions we can find, and that is the value of science.

I know 'geeky' science fans tend to go on and on about how science is NOT this and science is NOT that.... but in the end science IS a lot more than just what it sets out to be, because it plays a role in society. I happen to be interested in society and what makes it tick, therefore i am interested in the way people percieve science and the disclaimers that scientists give.


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Re: saturns bloody hexagon [Re: Noteworthy]
    #15220130 - 10/13/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm so deeply sorry that you've not been presented with classes that have made science special to you.  Fuck, I could give a damn about sociology and technical production, but I learned a lot and enjoyed them both.

There are plenty of big issues in science that are based off of little physical evidence, a lot of math, and obviously hypotheses.  Due to the clearly apparent lack of data, and the ridiculous costs it would demand to research further, the hexagon on Saturn is simply a hypothesis.  Why isn't it more important and why are people not willing to invest a shit-load of resources on it?  Maybe because the people studying it know quite a bit about their area(s) of expertise, and other data pertaining to Saturn simply lead to such hypotheses to arise about this phenomenon.  When other people who are interested in the same subjects, they'll read the research methods/data that's published and the fate of that publication falls under the jurisdiction of peer reviews. 

If you really want to have any understanding of science then just read from the mountain of literature that's increasing every day.  By the tone of your posts it seems like you've not done much from an actual scientific perspective, but instead fall prey to the "science" that's rocketed out of the bowels of the media(see my earlier link).  When you finally read enough about something you're interested in, and read about it all from publications prominent in their respective fields, you'll understand why we think what we do about your particular interest.  You may find your answer, but more importantly you will understand the general consensus regarding different hypotheses for your interest.  There will be no sugar-coating.  You'll know what was done, how it was done, look at the actual data, and there are never any games or media-spins.  Basically, it's knowing what the hell you're talking about because 90% of Americans probably couldn't correctly interpret shit, in any area of science, by just picking one up to read... the entire format is standardized so tons of info can be put in a rather short area(while including citations for virtually every claim).


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Re: saturns bloody hexagon [Re: Noteworthy]
    #15222846 - 10/13/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

(only you can read this, scientists have taken over and are speaking to you directly now)

For the record, you are right. Scientists are in charge of warping the feeble minds of the masses by telling them that the simplest answer is right. That way we can use all the money they give us for super secret alien projects. You like the ink in the water-globe thing? haha that was mine. What you're actually looking at is a vat of mind-control agent being mixed before being released as "chem trails". I can't believe those suckers bought that one! Oh AND you can tell anyone you want to about that or that scientists are out to prove... whatever... know why? cause no one is going to believe someone as willfully ignorant as you over us scientist types. How heavy is that burden? Wow! you, knowing the truth but no one believes you because they spend all their time reading propaganda that we've leaked out in the form of textbooks and journals over CENTURIES disguised as fact! hell, we're so good that they just believe us without even questioning it "What does science say is the cause - "Gravity"? whatever they say!" HA its PERFECT!

Well, don't blame us for your choosing this path. You were the one who decided not to 'drink the the koolaid' by attending 'Science Class', avoiding indoctrination. It could have been easy, like the others, BUT NOOOOOO instead you use drugs and other idiots, like your self, as your source of fact, cause theyre completely untainted by science of any kind. Very clever!... BUT How does it feel,though, to be shouting into the vacuum of space? no one can hear you, no one listens to you "IS this guy really suggesting that data has an agenda?"...haha GOTCHA! Not actually a vacuum in 'space', also a lie to stop people from trying to get to our secret base on the moon... the real moon, not the one you see- that's just a model.

Haha you're Neo but with only the power to be ignored and pitied!

Safe travels,
Science

(end transmission)

there's something weird going on here. my computer keeps... there! did you hear it? Agghhh what IS that??!! anyways, all i was gonna say was

Lookup 'Confirmation Bias'. Its pretty much how you form and justify every idea you have, so this should help in your future efforts of being a loud ignoramus.

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Re: saturns bloody hexagon [Re: Heruuka]
    #15228147 - 10/15/11 02:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What does everyone think about the allegation that the black cube in mecca has something to do with saturn and its hexagon?


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