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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15196753 - 10/08/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It's just spiritual downsizing.

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: LegitStupidity]
    #15196774 - 10/08/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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LegitStupidity said:
us.




getting a little bold with the claim of being a shaman, huh?


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15196840 - 10/08/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think he was claiming to be a shaman; only that the shamans claim to work with the energy around "us".


What if he did say he was a shaman?  Maybe his definition of shaman is "one who wears shoes."

Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines a shaman as:

"a priest or priestess who uses magic for the purpose of curing the sick, divining the hidden, and controlling events."

Would one be in line with this definition if using seemingly magical ally plants for divining the hidden truths within and without?  I would say so. 

I don't think one needs to live in the jungle to be a shaman.

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic]
    #15196845 - 10/08/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic]
    #15197222 - 10/08/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

....hidden ....truths?

do you mean hallucinations and delusions caused by consuming a psychoactive substance?

and if his definition of shaman is "someone who wears shoes" and he thinks that makes him a shaman, i am the fucking emperor of the world, nay, universe.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15197565 - 10/08/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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....hidden ....truths?

do you mean hallucinations and delusions caused by consuming a psychoactive substance?




No those hallucinations can be and delusions are fool's gold. 

One must throw one's realizations against the wall when sober and see what sticks.

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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic] * 3
    #15197689 - 10/08/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm disappointed at the members' responses to this outrage in Peru. The mass murder of shamans is an atrocity that should not be belittled or made into an amusement. These are our spiritual brothers and sisters. No one is immune from being murdered, shaman or not.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #15197706 - 10/08/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

you have no idea how bad i want to continue to press my opinion on your opinion but you seem like a nice guy so i'll let it go.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #15197803 - 10/08/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: rainx]
    #15197809 - 10/08/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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rainx said:
I'm disappointed at the members' responses to this outrage in Peru. The mass murder of shamans is an atrocity that should not be belittled or made into an amusement. These are our spiritual brothers and sisters. No one is immune from being murdered, shaman or not.





Death is funny, what ya gonna do.:shrug:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Icelander]
    #15197851 - 10/08/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

So there are still people that believe in witches today.  The uneducated countries need to be nuked.



edit: nuke lol

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: detest86]
    #15197859 - 10/08/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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detest86 said:
So there are still people that believe in witches today.  The uneducated countries need to be nuked.



edit: nuke lol





I agree, lets start with America.:thumbup:


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: detest86]
    #15197940 - 10/08/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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The uneducated countries need to be nuked.




Incoming!

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you have no idea how bad i want to continue to press my opinion on your opinion but you seem like a nice guy so i'll let it go.




You are too kind. :laugh: 
I understand psychedelics can be seen as basically induced psychosis however I feel dreams are similar; and what is good and true can be gleamed from about any experience: as truth is reality is now and that is what one's experiences are; parts of the now-true reality.

One's reality-tunnel changes again when the induced psychosis wears off; back to a more "functional" level for survival.  That does not mean that the near psychotic episode was only a random, delusional experience with no useful connections to "waking life" and existence.

At the very least; they can remind one of the things that are truely important in one's life; even if they may do this at times thru the process of potentially very stressfull, seemingly Near Death Experience type phenomenon. 

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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15198327 - 10/08/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
ShamanElder.com: A Shaman keeps a bubble of protection around him or herself at all times.


Shamanista.com: Some people seem to have protection almost automatically, perhaps because it was built in to their early training without much/any discussion, and they learned to put up protection without consciously thinking of it.

Sometimes protection seems to be inherent in a person’s character, karma, or personality, but it still is best to know how to do protection consciously. Everyone needs to know how to respond to unusual situations, teach those who need protection how to get it, and so on.

In indigenous cultures protection is likely to be built into shamanic practice, so that it doesn’t have to be discussed or learned separately. But for modern Europeans and Americans, brought up in a dualistic, materialist culture, such practices are generally not automatic. They are not traditional for us, and so we have to adopt and use them consciously.




Again, I see no where in here that supports your argument, the "protection" is of unusual situations that keep them safe from internal changes. Not at all relevant to death, which was the prior argument. Almost everything you posted supported mine, healing using natural items and a wiser sense of thinking.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Icelander]
    #15198518 - 10/08/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

First America, then, THE WORLD !

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: LegitStupidity]
    #15198650 - 10/09/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Being murdered = being protected?

You have to do serious word-raping to make that even seem like it makes sense.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #15198894 - 10/09/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
article

So much for second sight and warnings from dead ancestors. It turns out that shamanic visions are only in your head and do not come from another realm.




yet another conclusion you reach without using logic!!!

:nyan:

I found this link just in the 2nd thread I viewed today in this forum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

I believe the universe guided me to it to make things easier for me.


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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: yeah]
    #15198916 - 10/09/11 03:48 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I believe the universe guided me to it to make things easier for me.

I see your belief and raise you one belief.

I believe I'm the ruler of the universe and all women are mine. :jennajameson:

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: Icelander]
    #15198997 - 10/09/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

women dont really have that much value...wait nevermind they suck dick.

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Re: 14 Peruvian Shamans Murdered [Re: detest86]
    #15199017 - 10/09/11 05:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I dont know which is most horrible--the OP using this story to justify his obvious allegiance to scientific materialism, and/or Christianity, or the terrible story itself!

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He alleged that the mayor, who is an evangelical Christian, ordered the killings on hearing that the shamans planned to form an association. He said the mayor's brother was known in the area as a matabrujos or witch killer.

"For Protestant sects, the shamans are possessed by the devil; a totally sectarian, primitive and racist concept," he said.

Shamans in the Peruvian Amazon use psychoactive plants such as the jungle vine ayahuascafor spiritual ceremonies. As early as the 16th century, Spanish and Portuguese missionaries described its use by native people in the Amazon as the work of the devil.




Well THIS I can dig. The fukin Christians up to their old tricks. On one hand pretending to represent a god of love, and a hack saw/gun (take your pick) in the other, ready to torture and murder any 'competition' to their nasty cult!!

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