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OfflineTripenSmurff420
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Pan. subb? in indiana
    #1519657 - 05/04/03 04:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

got the info from a link on this website to erowid.com found them in horse manure compost with grass sprouts. Looks like the real deal to me just need a secon opinion


Panaeolus subbalteatus
(Red Caps)

CAP : Red brown to white when dry, conic to flat bands of colors
GILLS : Close, red gray to gray black, white edges
STEM : White to brown, hollow and stringy, no bluing
HABITAT : Rotted hay, compost piles and manure
SEASON : April through September
DOSAGE : 10 to 50 shrooms, 2 oz. wet, 2 ? grams dry



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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: TripenSmurff420]
    #1519689 - 05/04/03 05:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Nope those are pan foens man. Sorry. They are a relative of subbs though, however, are inactive. :frown: Good luck in your future hunts!


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: flanders53]
    #1519747 - 05/04/03 05:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

is foens abreviated if so can u spell it out all the way please and i must tell u the pic was scanned and did not give the brown hue much justice partially due to at least an hours drying before the pic was taken


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: TripenSmurff420]
    #1519752 - 05/04/03 05:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

oh is it foenisecii? by any chance


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: TripenSmurff420]
    #1520159 - 05/04/03 08:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yup, haymakers mushroom, non active, inedible


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1520269 - 05/04/03 09:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i concur.


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: TripenSmurff420]
    #1520312 - 05/04/03 09:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, Id say foenisecii as well, but, if they were really found in horse compost, id think twice.

The stems are not brown enough.

Get a sporeprint. P. subbalteatus will be black, while foenisecii will be a dark brown.


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: angryshroom]
    #1521437 - 05/05/03 10:50 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i got a sppore print and they are jet black if ya want i will get a pic up of spore print if i can. like i said before i scanned the pics and no brown showed up at all even now they look more brown than in the pics. isnt foenisecii supposed to grow in grass anyway thats what some otherwebsite told me

i like the kmk quote


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: TripenSmurff420]
    #1522475 - 05/05/03 06:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

pann subbs can be found in grass and manure and the same with foes. its more likely to find foenisecii in grass and visa versa for subbs but it can still happen. i still think they are foes. but that black pring would suggest subbs. eat em if you want foes wont hurt you but even if they are subbs that isnt enough to feel anything really. peace

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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: blaze2]
    #1522480 - 05/05/03 06:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Panaeolina foenisecii does not ever grow in manure as you sated above. Only in lawns.

and

Panaeolina foenisceii has a chocolate to purble brown print and panaeolus has a black print. The are two different genera and have different colorewd spores.

mj


Edited by mjshroomer (05/06/03 10:06 AM)


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1522859 - 05/05/03 08:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i have more than in that pic i only selected the best specimens i have a lot more than four thanks for the help


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: blaze2]
    #1524018 - 05/06/03 10:02 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Panaeolina foenisecii aere never found in manure. They are a lawn mushroom at harvest time hence the name haymakers mushrooms.

They do not grow in manure and are a separate genera from Panaeolus. There are four species of panaeolina inthe family.

None are psychoactive.

Panaeolina have choclate to light purple brown sporeprints and Panaeolus subbalteatus have black prints.



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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1525025 - 05/06/03 05:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

my bad.  you learn something everyday :smile:  peace

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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Pan. subb? in indiana [Re: blaze2]
    #1535093 - 05/09/03 05:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Hey thanks for all the help. i must ask another question I found some mushrooms in the same area as the "pan. subbs" but they are much larger only a few exibit the band of color around the bottom i already took a spore print as i suspected it was solid black so what do ya all think


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